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IMO the problem is with the wording of the law and the initiative shown by the TMO and Ref is a good thing. The law should be reviewed.
I don't entirely disagree but at what point do you stop the TMO advising the ref - ie. there could have been a forward pass a phase before the try scoring move...etc, etc. I think rugby refs live by the "whistle for what you see, not for what you didn't see or might have seen" - for this reason I think the try-line is a good point at which to set the limit.
I think we need a separate TV official to ref Ireland at the breakdown though 😉
*puts on flameproof suit and awaits IdlingJonny and ManDuck* 🙂
DD are you coming to Cwmcarn this afternoon?
No Molly, I would have if it was a morning run, but I have BMF in the park at 6.30 which I'm trying to stick to rigidly. I can possibly make it over next week one day if you're available...I know you're busy with baby stuff at the moment, but is there a day that would suit you?
We, in a glorious example of poor planning, are expecting our first child during the WC, specifically the day of the crunch match between South Africa and Namibia.
Far worse still, could miss the Glaws V Bath match few days later 😀
Tmo is only supposed to rule on the grounding/infringements. Strictly speaking, Ref on sat overstepped the mark, but hey-ho.
D-D, the green stranglers aren't getting anywhere, can't see any need to penalise them further*
* I may change this viewpoint based on this weekends result.
I think we need a separate TV official to ref Ireland at the breakdown though
Pah amateurs - Kiwi's are the [s]dirtiest[/s]best. Normally they only do it long enough to get ahead. It's only on close games the ref's finally have to do something
TJ
I have supported Scotland rugby
CFh
Only as (as far as I know) TJ isn't at all Scotchish
So either TJ is Scottish or a Scotophile <shudder> 👿
I met loads of them when I went out with a girl from Aberdeen.
I am a brit of English descent and Scotland is my home. That do ya?
I would and could never claim to be a scot. However I have lived so long up here and my formative years were in scotland that it is my home. Its all about what you feel in your heart. crossing the border going north feels like going home
Scotophile 😈
Most people who once lived in the borders have a bit of Scottish in them...Douglas to be exact 😈
deadlydarcy - MemberI think we need a separate TV official to ref Ireland at the breakdown though
*puts on flameproof suit and awaits IdlingJonny and ManDuck*
Nah, Ireland have been so boringly poor lately I thought I was watching England! 😉
Going back to one of your earlier posts, when I lived in London I spent a very pleasant (drunken) afternoon with my Irish housemates watching the Gaelic Football Final in a pub somewhere. I sort of understood the rules until a certain pint of Guinness.
duckman - Member
Most people who once lived in the borders have a bit of Scottish in them...Douglas to be exact
I've been in Borders a few times, does that make me Scottish?
Actually, having no apparent Scottish blood at all probably explains my indifference to Scottish rugby. Loads of Irish ancestors (mainly Fitzgeralds and Dineens) perhaps explains why I like winding DD up?
Nah, Ireland have been so boringly poor lately
Depressingly IJ, you're not far from wrong I'm afraid. A pity really...if they could reproduce the form they displayed against England at the end of the 6N...they were so good that day. All a case of lowering expectations (I wish...I don't really think this is true).
I sort of understood the rules
As a comedian once put it...a sort of cross between Rugby and the IRA 🙂
Dineens
Oh you poor thing...that explains everything 😆
deadlydarcy - MemberDineens
Oh you poor thing...that explains everything
Tell me more - I know very little about the Irish side other than names. (Fitzgerald ancestry seems to indicate descent from the Normans, though, so I must do a bit more pillaging.)
Tell me more
Nah, only kidding. Dineen...I didn't really know too many growing up...not an unusual name, not a common one either though. Nah, only kidding. Fitzgerald is a good name though - and as you say, Norman...though many names are. Mine could well be Norman...as there would have been times when it may have been advantageous to spell it with or without an apostrophe. I'm sticking with "without" as that's how Jane Austen's Mr Darcy spelled his.
I tend to associate Fitzgerald with the southwest of Ireland - Kerry chiefly. Their main GAA park is Fitzgerald stadium in Killarney:
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Interestingly, the Gaelic for Fitzgerald is Mac Gearailt (phonetically Mock Gyarilt) - showing that Fitz also means "of" or "from" or "son of" ("mac" meaning "son").
No idea where they hail from at all?
No idea where they hail from at all?
Half a yard offside? 😉
Half a yard offside?
Only if the ref sees it 
😆
TJ
You can 😆 I thought the lowland Scots were all sassenachs anywaywould and could never claim to be a scot.
and there have been plenty of kilted kiwis and just look at Danielli as another Englishman (dare I say it) 'gone bad'
deadlydarcy - MemberI tend to associate Fitzgerald with the southwest of Ireland - Kerry chiefly. Their main GAA park is Fitzgerald stadium in Killarney:
Oh good, we own a stadium! 🙂
No idea where they hail from at all?
No idea at all. There were a lot of Irish workers around here at the end of the 19th century on into the early 20th. In my family they date back to my great grandparents on both sides, so perhaps born 1900-1910.
DARCL;you are on sticky ground mentioning imports playing for an adopted country,at one point they would have to play the SAffers national anthem twice when they were playing England.Even your coach played for NZ schools!
Andy Robinson?
Sky News has just mentioned England's "confidence boosting win over Wales a fortnight ago"!
WTF?
Am sure something else happened in between......
I'll miss the game today. We're off to Reading festival for the day. Pulp! Yay! I would like to nominate you Flashy, yes, YOU to defend the multiple green machine breakdown infringements in my absence. Go on, make like we love one another really. 🙂
🙂
I knew I could count on you.
*High fives Captain O'Flashhearty*
I am pleased to report that coffee wipes off a Motorola XOOM screen.
🙂
DD and Flashy sitting in a tree k-i-s-s-i-n-g 😉
Anyone else watching Australia v New Zealand atm?
The Kiwis look half asleep... to be honest I hope they get pummelled, it'll open up the tournament a bit psychologically. Aussies look sharp tho.
Weird game that, as said the Kiwis looked disinterested. Good 20 mins in the second half then back to sleep.
Nice win for England, much improved than the last game. Still improvements to be made
Hi folks sorry if this has been answered in one of the many pages but does anyone know if the home nation world cup games are on itv or bbc or has sky snapped them up,hope not.
Nice to see the ref taking control of the game. Too many high tackles. 🙁
All games are on ITV
*Hopes Count Dracula isn't the anchor*
Houns - Member
Nice win for England, much improved than the last game. Still improvements to be made
I'll probably be accused of being an England-hater, but sorry, they were crap. The only reason they won that game was because Ireland were even worse, not helped by losing their structure completely because of the back row injuries.
The improvements they (England) need to make are pretty much everywhere. No consistency or dominance in scrum, line out, breakdown, back play, anywhere. They look like a team that has one plan - trundle. Even Foden and Ashton have been limited to trundle gear to match the rest of the team.
And where do you start with Ireland? They need to borrow one of TJ's fabled Scottish scrumhalves, certainly. They desperately need BOD to be fit, and hopefull ROG is immortal because Sexton isn't good enough at this level.
For the second game in a row they spend loads of energy pushing back the opposition scrum without making sure that the oppo no8 isn't picking up the ball and making ground anyway! 🙄 And so many stupid pointless kicks that gave England possession!
Italy must have sat up and realised that they could progress into the quarters if Ireland play like that. And I might change my mind about whether Argentine can beat England...
Idle, I agree.
Don, the problem wasn't the high tackles per se, more the inconsistent application of the law.
Yep both looked pretty poor
At least England can take some confidence that despite being crap Ireland were crapper.
Had money on Ireland too, still, they could pull it together who knows
don simon - MemberNice to see the ref taking control of the game. Too many high tackles.
Seriously? Or is that irony?
Even fatty Barnes was right, for once, about the "high tackles". They weren't.
That Welsh twit of a ref just likes being the centre of attention. 🙄
If they weren't high tackles, then why was only one side penalised for them? Either they weren't high tackles and neither side should have therefore been penalised, or they were and both sides should have been penalised equally.
Fwiw, I dnt think there were many, or any, dangerous tackles (apart from Tuilagi's shoulder barging), more that there was inconsistency in how the ref penalised perfectly safe tackles.
Neck = high tackle and from both sides. Or perhaps I was watching a different game.
Didn't see game but irelands ploy of trying to hold players up in tackle means they go high and gives more chance of going too high. Was it bod who missed the easy tackle on tuilagi?
A poor game. England simply do not look threatening at all and ireland seem to have lost their way. Nothing to scare the trinations teams there
So I missed it. Seems from reading that Kidney is not trying to lower expectations at all, and that indeed, we're just shite. 😐
What's all the stuff about the high-tackles?
News from Sydney. England U18 squad today completed a 3-0 drubbing of the Aussies, winning the last game 46-19. A good friend's son is out there and has won his first cap. 18 years old, 6'8", 100Kg. Scary.