[Closed] Roid Rage... (more gym / fitness content)

yeah. Im buff me.

Probably. Using steroids is about on par to using SPDs on the scale of taking your hobby seriously. The majority of guys in the gym who look like they go to the gym will be using.

Have a look at muscletalk.co.uk to get an idea of casually open it is.

Ha, I spotted a Stoner!

5th, really? Is that a casual admission?
I would've said it was the opposite to taking fitness seriously. A lazy cheat way of achieving your goals.

i use 'roids:

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attacks the free weights as if they're a matador in a bull ring, seemingly blowing steam out his nostrils... is he on steroids?

Does anyone on here use them?

TSY, yeah, I know for a fact that most of the usual faces down my gym hammering away on the free weights are on steroids. If you're looking for tell tale signs then a puffy face is the first giveaway but the roid users also seem to lack any kind of real definition generally...the muscle tone is always quite, well, flabby.

Big mass for sure, but poorly defined and not really a look to be desired IMO.

TSY, yeah, I know for a fact that most of the usual faces down my gym hammering away on the free weights are on steroids. If you're looking for tell tale signs then a puffy face is the first giveaway but the roid users also seem to lack any kind of real definition generally...the muscle tone is always quite, well, flabby.

Big mass for sure, but poorly defined and not really a look to be desired IMO.

Oh yes, I see what you mean. 😆

You're confusing high levels of bodyfat for muscle.

Steroids aren't a factor, beyond some water retention, it's diet at fault. Or, they're training for strength where extra bulk comes in handy.

thats not muscles, thats an inflatable muscle suit, one small prick (see what i did there... steroids, small penis... oh never mind) and he'd pop and deflate.

Watching women go from natural to untested competition is interesting. Body fat plumets, muscle tone comes right up. And their voices break. 😆

Oh, and contrary to the myth about winky shrinkage the opposite happens. Applies to women in a, err, big way.

Steroids aren't a factor, it's diet at fault. Or, they're training for strength where extra bulk comes in handy.

Hmmm, I reckon that they're are a good few guys that smash the roids at my gym who fit the look described by neallyman who are training to get big and have no real care for how fit they are. They drink litres of protein shake whilst training too.

There are also guys that are working towards that picture, again fitness isn't really on the agenda for them.

Fitness for what? They're not training to be cyclists. But no, it's not about health. But the same can be said for TDF riders.

I got 'roids', or Nobby Stiles as there known round here 😆

If I was down the gym I'd spend most of my time eyeing up the yummy mummys there. I wouldn't be staring at the men

then there are the ones who take 'roids but don't train - they only want the 'psycho-logical' effects...

Pretty sure a few take them at my gym, including the women. 😐

Mr Feet... I spend most of my time in yoga classes to be fair 😆

5th - theses dudes ain't fit! There's absolutely no way you can argue that some bloke who struggles with walking but can press 150kg is fit!

Chapeau iDave - good work there 🙂

There's a few women at my gym who take it 😛

5th - theses dudes ain't fit! There's absolutely no way you can argue that some bloke who struggles with walking but can press 150kg is fit!

OK so they're lacking in "general fitness".

I feel sorry for them.

OK so they're lacking in "general fitness".

I feel sorry for them.

Top as in professional or top amateurs?

I think I'd rather go for the cyclist look, has far more practical aplications than beef cake.

Do you take roids then 5th? IS your training more geared towards increasing your lift max or your endurance?

My old gym was full of he-men who liked lifting heavy things up and putting them down again till thier faces turned crimson. Steroid use was so common place there were as many users as non users. I was offered all kinds of things to cut you up, bulk you up, recover faster but never felt tempted as I heard it males your wanger smaller and I kind of need all the help I can get in that area.

I must admit it amuses me when i see the proper muscley blokes in the gym trying to walk on the treadmill, or at a push use the cross trainer. Some of the proper big ones can't even have their arm straight down at their sides due to big muscles 😯 One bloke actually sounds like he is having an orgasm when he lifts weights, i can hear him from the other side of the gym, over my ipod 😐

The problem is that most of it is only mirror muscle...ie the ones that they can see, and they often neglected ones they can't so they end up looking weird... well, thats my observation from having worked out at a gym since i was 16! A friends friends husband died of a heart attack a few months back, she was really shocked as he was "really fit". When i asked her about it, "really fit" = bodybuilder, lived off protein, dabled with steriods etc.

But then taking steroids in the gym isn't much different to top riders taking epo/whatever. I couldn't do it - i'd feel like i cheated.

DirtyG - I like you. You talk sense.

I was always to busy gawping at the women to notice the blokes.

Top as in professional or top amateurs?

I think I'd rather go for the cyclist look, has far more practical aplications than beef cake.

Do you take roids then 5th?

In my youth my interest was weight lifting and I mixed with top amateur bodybuilders (one of which went on to be a top pro at world level). I was pretty serious and it's a subject that still interests me.

IS your training more geared towards increasing your lift max or your endurance?

5th - sounds like we take a very similar view then. I look at some of the top cyclists and can't work out how their arms are so thin... it's beyond me. I've friends who've spent years pushing it on the Time Trial circuit who can't ride mtb as they don't have the upper body strength.. that aint for me, but I'd rather that than the guy is hugely muscular but struggles to get off the floor.

LOL at the 'I'm too busy staring at women' comments.

but yeti don't you understand that going to the gym makes you homosexual unless you go to stare at women then go home via the chip shop/kebab van?

DirtyG - I like you. You talk sense.

My physio says a large % of athletes are taking something, esp sprinters.

And whilst we are on the subject, why do blokes go for the top heavy look? I never see blokes at my gym using any leg weights, they have sparrow legs and look like Arnie on their top half. Do they really think this is a good look?

Phil - good job I didn't start a thread about who else takes a sneaky look at other guys knobs whilst getting changed, isn't it? 😯

yeti, this wouldn't have happened if you had stuck to dirt instead of all this silly road riding malarky!

And whilst we are on the subject, why do blokes go for the top heavy look? I never see blokes at my gym using any leg weights, they have sparrow legs and look like Arnie on their top half. Do they really think this is a good look?

Then you fall down the stairs as you leave the gym.

Upper body is a far more comfortable experience. 😆

Phil - It's true, I do miss the opportunity to get naked in trail centre car parks.

Dirty - most of those dudes wear tracky bums whilst training and then go into the cubicles to get changed.

Why train endurance in a gym when you can train it on your bike?

The problem is most people approach gym training from a bodybuilding perspective, regardless of whether they are bodybuilders or not.

The gym is for getting strong and powerful. Neural adaptaions. (unless you want to get bigger - some cyclists could do with it.

Check out Olympic track cyclist Jamie Staff....

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I reckon that is significantly more than most of the bodybuilders allegedly on roids down your local gym....

Seriously heavy. Seriously strong and looks athletic, not muscle bound. Benefit of following a properly periodised training programme.

P.S. dont use the leg press...Squat. Requires less weight and uses more muscles. Leg press can drain you as you can load it up with silly weight.

@ 5thElefant 😆

Yeti, not in my gym they don't - they wear shorts which is why i know they have sparrow legs. Mine are way more toned than 90% of the blokes in there.

DirtyG you know the drill... pictures or it didn't happen 😉

I reckon that is significantly more than most of the bodybuilders allegedly on roids down your local gym...

P.S. dont use the leg press...Squat. Requires less weight and uses more muscles. Leg press can drain you as you can load it up with silly weight.

Pretty blimming good for a clean athlete who apparently weights 92kg though.

And whilst we are on the subject, why do blokes go for the top heavy look? I never see blokes at my gym using any leg weights, they have sparrow legs and look like Arnie on their top half. Do they really think this is a good look?

That was one of the most common mistakes that I saw people doing when I went to the gym (IMO). Mostly made by men. Also commonplace:

-Trying to lift the heaviest weight possible, irrespective of whether your technique is any good or not.

-Drinking lots of protein shakes and lifting lots of heavy weights but never doing cardio and (presumably) eating an otherwise poor diet, ending up being fat with big arms(!)

I hasten to add that this is amateur weight lifters and not a slur on those that are more serious!

Pretty blimming good for a clean athlete who apparently weights 92kg.

Pretty blimming good for a clean athlete

Not saying Staff dopes or uses steroids but there have been plenty of positive tests for banned substances within track cycling.

You find quite a few track cyclists talking on steroid forums. Presumably they're at lower levels in the sport or they'd be a bit more discreet. Pretty rife in athletics in general at university level (still).

*Makes note never to go anywhere near a gym*

If you have discipline Steriods work,simple as that.Most of the pro rugby players I used to know were on the gear.They don't fit the above claims of useless muscle do they? Nor do they really care about being defined,the bulk is for a purpose. Of course; steroids are so last decade,it is all about HGH now,or so I am told. There was a time in the late 90's when every bugger was on them,like 17yo kids at the gym roaring as they benched 40kg.As it stands there are two powerlifting federations in Britain,one that tests,and suprise,suprise,one that does not.Over the board the "clean" fed's records are 33% lower than the "dirty" federation

Dirtygirl, for the effect of steroids on cyclists, try looking for pix of Tammy Thomas... it's frightening and irreversible.

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Tommy Thamas

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It's a sad state of affairs when a sport has to have a special club just for those people who don't use drugs.
And that's power lifting, I believe the situation is far worse for body builders.

I'm the opposite to the average gym member, I have to train upper body to prevent the T-rex look! I'm 37 now and have been weight training since I was 15, it does seem like the natural folks are becoming the minority!

It's a sad state of affairs when a sport has to have a special club just for those people who don't use meat.

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I used to work with a super serious body builder type

in meetings he would randomly go bright red and start panting, also very prone to mood swings.

nothing going on there then hey?

It's a sad state of affairs when a sport has to have a special club just for those people who don't use drugs.

Much better to compete on a level playing field and be open and honest about it.

Is enhancing your performance using certain drugs any different from enhancing your performance via surgery (laser eye etc.) or other medical interventions (cortizone injections etc)?

Discuss...

When you tear a bicep off they drill a hole in your bone and stick the tendon in to fix it. The fix is better than the original. Hmmm....

Gene therapy will be (is?) the next big thing.

Hardcore!

Personally I think that in the gym... hand straps, weight belts and gloves are all cheating a bit.

By that logic having tread on your tyres is cheating too 😉

*takes stanley knife to nobblies*

You get my point though... you need straps to do deadlifts, then your arms are too weak... etc

No I don't at all 😆

It's not a competition for who has the strongest handshake, it's who can do the biggest deadlift.

For competition you can't use wraps, you use gum or chalk. But... in competition you do one lift at a time. In training you do reps and lots of them. Grip will always be the weakest link. Remove that weak link and your training volume increases and your unaided lift goes up.

And.. of course, your hands get torn to bits training raw.

Not if you toughen your hands up? 😕

Using steriods is pretty shamefull IMO. That's why very few like to admit to it.
Mainly used by people who want everyone to be impressed by their buffness; pretty pathetic.
It should quite rightfully be banned from every physical competition as it becomes more about who is more technically adept at taking drugs than talent/physical prowess. It's comparable with having motors hidden in seat tubes.
Also, they do not increase or decrease the size of your jake, but do shrink the bowlacks.

meh, doubt you'll ever stop drugs in sport, and maybe especially things like roids among wannabe big men as opposed to competitive athletes (who'll have to find new methods that are not yet detectable). If you're not a pro/high level competitor, it can't be worth the health risks IMO

epo - ooh, it's a terrible thing, but it's OK for well-funded athletes to spend ages altitude training for broadly same benefits.

i always take drugs when doing sport... slowing myself down with some crack, its the only way i can stop myself from beating everyone by a massive margin.

I trained alongside Charles Clairmont some while ago, hell of a physique. The level of dedication to get to that stage is impressive, whilst people may not approve of the results or the methods, i personally admire the discipline its takes to acheive.

As for whether steroid are cheating, not sure. As has been mentioned above, some surgical procedures give beter than natural results. I remember hearing that Tiger Woods had corrective eye surgey which gave him better than normal vision (whatever that means). Does this give him an advantage when playing golf?

Makes me laugh when people deride bodybuilding, work hard, build a strong physique and thats wrong. Yet cosmetic surgery is somehow more acceptable.

My gym is full of stupidly fit people who would not dream of touching any non-recreational drugs. There are also some very well built people who are fit as a butchers dog. It is a uni gym though.

Are you implying that there are fit steroid junkies at your gym then SBZ?

Or just saying there are fit people and fit people at your gym?

TSY, out of interest which Gym do you go to?

Ooh that's pretty personal.. near my work in Didcot.

Ooh that's pretty personal.. near my work in Didcot.

Sorry about that, but the reason I ask is that I've used a couple of gyms in Witney and there is a noticeable lack of the type of guys you’re talking about (which in my opinion is great as it gives a much more laid back atmosphere).

There will be people taking steroids, HGH and HCG who want to be insanely fit, rather than huge - I'm sure some adventure racers, triathletes etc. It only makes you grow huge if you do certain type of training.

Yeah, The Sports Centre one used to be fine if a little crowded. Pirates is okay too I think. All the steroid guys used to go to the Palace gym but pretty sure that's closed now.

It does seem to be a time of day thing as well. The guys that I suspect are taking 'roids seem to be down there in the evenings.