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...on that basis museums around the world should be emptying their galleries...
No reason why the same approach must be taken to everything. We already return, or loan, exhibits between museums/galleries in different countries... often to allow them to be seen where they have the most relevance (ie where they were in use/shown in the past).
As the Beeb comments, foreign leaders meeting the man almost vl certain to be the new PM a year from now is only going to get more common.
Love the Beebs not so subtle put down too:
Having been rejected by Mr Sunak, the Greek leader was instead offered a meeting with the Deputy Prime Minister Oliver Dowden.
But, I understand, an earlier appointment with the plane home was deemed more appealing.
😁
Thing is its literally nothing to do with him anyway. The British museum deals with this sort of stuff and are very well versed in the subtle nuances of this type of negotiation. Love him or far more likely hate him, George Osborne is in the middle of sorting this out and it was pretty much done and dusted with a deal where we 'lent' the marbles back to Greece (bearing in mind the UK aquired them legally) on a semi permanent loan basis and they lent us a bunch or priceless artwork which had never been displayed in the UK before. Everyone is happy (or probably more likely doesn't care) and there we are.
Then this idiot jumps in with his size 12's (kids size 12's obvs) because he is such a useless primeminister and makes it a huge issue, undermining all the hard work others have done and causing yet more international tension for absolutely no reason other than his ego,
What an absolute non-entity he is.
what on earth does that make Oliver Dowden?
An irrelevant far right version of Tintin.
Then this idiot jumps in with his size 12’s (kids size 12’s obvs) because he is such a useless primeminister and makes it a huge issue, undermining all the hard work others have done and causing yet more international tension for absolutely no reason other than his ego,
Or, as mentioned above , it's just a smokescreen distraction from more important matters. Do you really think Lil Richtea gives a flying truck about some marbles ?
Do you really think Lil Richtea gives a flying truck about some marbles ?
Someone needs to have a little chat with Rishi about priorities, maybe in the form of a multiple choice.
The country is facing a set of challenges, please rank them in order:
The NHS
Small boats
Local bus services
Where the Parthenon Marbles are kept
Potholes
Education and the crumbling concrete in schools
You have 2 minutes.
If you were being cynical you might think that Lil Rishi manufactured this whole thing as a Culture War dead cat to distract from the right wing loons now coming for him
Robert Jenrick expresses frustration with slow pace of UK immigration cuts
Immigration minister says he would have brought in plans to curb net migration ‘before last Christmas if I could have done
Sunak ‘agreed with Braverman to £40k income threshold for UK migrants’
Purported agreement included raising minimum salary and ending extended visas for graduates
Kemi Badenoch backs Braverman's stance on migrant salaries
Business and Trade Secretary calls for ‘strongest possible measures’ to reduce record migration figures
Looks like a coordinated campaign by the headbangers. Has Cruella offered Honest Bob and Kemi a top job in the shadow cabinet when she becomes leader? Certainly looks that way. Two ministers undermining him by coming out in support of the wingnut he just sacked? Maybe they’re trying to get sacked too?
For anyone interested, the "senior government minister" speaking at the Cambridge Union tomorrow evening is Jeremy Hunt - identity was being kept secret while the security was put in place.
Hopefully it will be live streamed on their YouTube channel. Not sure what kind of car crash it will be.
£40K minimum for skilled migrant workers would pull the rug out from under much of the early career labour underpinning many of the research programs in the Gov's scientific priorities
It’s almost as if some unhinged nationalist dogma was trumping the actual needs of the country…
Taking back control is great, innit?
A good and slightly amusing writeup about today's PMQ's. Suffice to say, a lot of his own MP's think his focus on the marbles etc is dumb as hell. Their comments are pretty damning, his authority over his party is slipping away and fast.
"He is lousy at foreign affairs and would not have known the impact of such a snub," a former cabinet minister tells me.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67566248
£40K minimum for skilled migrant workers would pull the rug out from under much of the early career labour underpinning many of the research programs in the Gov’s scientific priorities
It also means no social or healthcare staffs bar senior doctors
kimbers
Full Member
I guarantee the 40k cut-off will never happenWho is coming up with the drivel? They’re all batshit
Mirror, mirror on the wall, who is the batshitiest of them all?
I think they all qualify but depending upon criteria it's hard to judge the winner.
... But we are all losers that's for sure.
It’s almost as if some unhinged nationalist dogma was trumping the actual needs of the country…
Yep, it has always been easy to explain why we need immigration to do a lot of the jobs that we either don't want to do or don't have the qualified people to do. Immigration is not a problem if the people are working in the country and their contributions just add to everyone else's as long as governments keep up with it with increased health and social commitments and so on. Presumably why they were given visas to work here?
But to admit that is then opening up questions they don't want to answer so better just to portray it as some sort of evil but then as we can see they have made it worse for themselves so some positives.
bearing in mind the UK aquired them legally
How many beads did we pay them?
This £40k 'starting rate' for foreigners - so now we're keeping all the lowly paid jobs just for Brits.
Not only does it mean that only the better jobs are available for immigrants, but that business & the Public Sector will be able to drive the cost of these down too as they bring in folk from lower cost countries.
Screw the working AND middle class Brits even more - lost our FOM and now getting pushed back 'in our place'. The gullible fools who voted Leave & Tory in 2019 really have put the 'Elite' back in control.
I guarantee the 40k cut-off will never happen
Who is coming up with the drivel? They’re all batshit
Absolutely this. All this serves one purpose only… it’s purely political posturing by the hard right, batshit wing of the Tory party to complete its UKIPisation (in opposition)
The people who bankroll the Tory party aren’t going to stand for having their supply of cheap imported labour choked off and they’ll have made that abundantly clear to lil Rishi
Therefore Cruella and her little minion, Honest Bob, see this as a wedge issue to appeal to the backbench headbangers and the unhinged, racist membership. It’s working too. Rishi was openly receiving hostile questioning on immigration from his own backbenchers at PMQ’s yesterday
Yep some top trolling by Charlie boy. A little less subtle than his mother though
parthenon marbles bounce
https://twitter.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/1730547388941516906?t=sfndhR3s_gjxbP0ORlTyHA&s=19
^^ Well, I mean, it's a a workable majority I suppose? 😉
highlandman
Free Member
Meanwhile…Charlie’s choice of tie. Brilliant.
Yeah, I'm not a fan of the monarchy but yeah, trolling your own PM whilst having plausible deniability is pretty wonderful.
Puts the flag shaggers into a bind too. Which is even better! 😆
Well he’s half Greek anyway
Yeah, I’m not a fan of the monarchy but yeah, trolling your own PM whilst having plausible deniability is pretty wonderful.Puts the flag shaggers into a bind too. Which is even better! 😆
They do have form for this - the Queen famously wore a brooch given to her by Barack Obama when Trump visited and she wore a hat very representative of the EU flag during a state opening of Parliament.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-40356113
My guess is that Sunak is too stupid or self-centred to have noticed.
£38k migrant cap plan is going to fall apart in days
A random number plucked out of the air to keep the headbangers happy despite that being a totally impossible task.
That’s the headline but there will be so many exemptions and exceptions that the whole thing is rendered utterly pointless before it’s even been brought in
It’s just gesture politics to appease the hard-of-thinking racists that are their core vote. Like everything else these idiots (don't actually) do. Its literally all they've got left
The Tories are floating out so many 'end of days' policies at the moment, without considering even for a microsecond the consequences, that you sense that the final implosion is near. They are looking no further forward than the next hour's headlines, let alone the next day's.
Latest polling out today has Sunak's approval rating as worse than the lettuce after her disastrous mini-budget
Imagine being less popular than Liz Truss for a second time? He's totally ****ed!
Just put yourself out of your misery, call an election and get the inevitable over with
F**** the Tories.
I have a sticker on my letterbox and rear window on the car that expresses that exact sentiment
Rwanda must be absolutely laughing their tits off at this lot!
Jimmy Dimly is off there tomorrow to give them another couple of hundred million quid for doing nowt
Thanks very much. Give us a shout if you ever get a flight to leave. See you in 6 months with another couple of hundred mil
In the meantime, back home, they’ve decided to make the current labour shortages ten times worse, with their usual back-of-a-fag-packet bollocks that they dreamt up yesterday afternoon after a long lunch
Absolute ****ing clowns!
They’re clearly just shitting themselves about Farage/Tyce/Reform/Brexit Party/Whatever They’re Called This Week, and are blurting out any old crap to appeal to the knuckle-draggers
In the meantime, back home, they’ve decided to make the current labour shortages ten times worse, with their usual back-of-a-fag-packet bollocks that they dreamt up yesterday afternoon after a long lunch
Yep, that's what provoked my comment.
The vulnerable, young and old, will suffer over this. It's incredibly f****** nasty even for these Tory scumbags.
Sunak is just retrenching back into a tinny little far right bubble. Sat in his bunker,he’s now so completely detached from reality that he believes the view of the world dictated to him by the absolute fruitloops like Braverman and the rest of the ERG headbangers on the backbenches
And they wonder why they’re 20 points behind in the polls and set for an electoral wipeout?
We just need these idiots gone ASAP
Cleverley isn’t exactly a huge fan of the Rwanda scheme is he? Didn’t he call the policy “batshit”?
He did indeed. Yet there he is, stood up in Parliament promoting it. He’ll be there tomorrow smiling and waving while handing over another big cheque. A real man of principle, eh?
As long as he’s flying around on private jets, he’s happy
Rwanda policy is nuts, cost is insane, at present it will take a few 100 out of a backlog of many 1000s, still wont act as a deterrent even if they could get it through the courts......and yet the Tories have made it a totemic issue for themselves
cleverly knows that he also said recently that the kind of migration controls he announced today wouldn't work
John Crace is on the Money in the Guardian, as ever…
Sunak and his useful idiots pile reset upon reset in race to oblivion
There we had it. Jimmy Dimly sat down with a huge smirk. Revelling in his own smugness. His intellectual inferiority. Because what he had just done was effectively torch the economy. There would be no one left to fill the vacancies in the NHS and social care sector. Public services that were already on a knife-edge would now implode. Hospitality and agriculture would be dead.
But what the hell? Who cared about the economy so long as halfwits like Lee Anderson were happy.
Here's what MP's think of the energy crisis:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/mps-expenses-energy-bills-tories-labour-b2408030.html
It's free, what's the problem?
Rwanda policy is nuts
Has 'hotel california' actually been built yet, or will it require more brown envelopes?
I've got an idea...
Let's scrap the second home allowance for MP's, how many MP's are there? 600?
Let's build a flotila on the Thames, with 600 rooms, or even commandeer a couple of travelodges? so they can stay there ('breakfast included') for £150 or less per night.
No need for a second home allowance....
What's the connection with Rishi Sunak? He doesn't appear to be mentioned in the article but some Labour politicians are :
"Labour frontbenchers Angela Rayner, Ed Miliband, Liz Kendall, Louise Haigh, Hilary Benn, Nick Thomas-Symonds and Pat McFadden are among the senior party figures who put in similar claims."
If the existing arrangements are not acceptable then let's hear alternative proposals from opposition parties. The next UK prime minister will not be a Tory.
Well not a member of the Conservative Party anyhow.
Well not a member of the Conservative Party anyhow.
😂
Who cared about the economy so long as halfwits like Lee Anderson were happy.
And Lee Anderson will never be happy - there is no gesture that will ever buy him off. He's not gonna shag you, Rishi...
Indeed. You can't pacify those who David Cameron (remember him?) referred to as 'those who won't take yes for an answer'. Nothing will ever be enough for them until he's got troops on the streets, marching immigrants to Dover and driving them into the sea.
Listening to 'Honest Bob' on radio 4 this morning, its obvious that Cruella is actually the de facto PM already. Lil Rishi is now just her spokesman. He's now just enacting all her demands. Just as Jimmy Dimly is in Rwanda today, championed a policy he previously (correctly) referred to as 'batshit', I'd put your house on Rishi announcing 'his' plan to withdraw from the ECHR before the next election.
The tail is well and truly wagging the dog again. But the tail is the Cruella/Anderson/Gullis headbanger wing. They're effectively running the country now. Sunak is just a passenger. The rest of us are just hostages to these loons
So Lil Rishi has signed a new treaty with Rwanda.
Today...
https://twitter.com/RishiSunak/status/1732040810873622785?s=20
18 months ago....
They just had a leading immigration lawyer on Five Live. His said that it won't make a blind bit of difference as the Supreme Court deal in facts, not opinions. So whether Rishi and Jimmy Dimly think its safe of not is of no consequence whatsoever. It doesn't change the facts that Rwanda, after much deliberation, was considered unsafe then and still is now. Nothing has changed.
His opinion was that they know all this full well, as their legal advice will have told them exactly this, but they're pressing ahead anyway. They're doing so because they'll look like idiots if they drop it now, having sunk hundreds of millions into it already, and its also they want to use it as a wedge issue as part of their ongoing culture war as an election approaches.
Cleverley is the third Home Secretary to visit Rwanda bearing large bundles of cash and (quite rightly) not a single asylum seeker has been sent there, nor will they ever be.
And this is what passes for government in this country nowadays 🙄
could this be an amazingly smart ruse to channel (no pun intended) aid money to Rwanda without appearing to back down on the reduction budget for aid? Will we soon start seeing similar treaties with other nations in need of support?
Yeah... I reckon philanthropy is definitely at the forefront of their thinking here.<br /><br />They're all heart, after all and renowned for their random acts of kindness
They just had a leading immigration lawyer on Five Live. His said that it won’t make a blind bit of difference as the Supreme Court deal in facts, not opinions.
Plus even if they somehow get past that barrier its going to be a couple of hundred people at most.
So looking at the last seven days (I do love how the government insist on having this page which shows how they fail at "stopping the boats" might remove the 64 on the 29th Nov and most of the 224 people on the 30th Nov.
Shame about the 93 on the 1st Dec, 519 on the 2nd and 118 on he 3rd.
Looking at the 28th Nov I do wonder whether his abandonment of net zero etc is in part based on the fact that the only "successful" days they have are when its crap and so climate change with more variable weather might work for them.
Stands more chance than their current plans.
could this be an amazingly smart ruse to channel (no pun intended) aid money to Rwanda without appearing to back down on the reduction budget for aid?
I did like how they proudly announced the money wasnt directly linked to the treaty.
Well done to the Rwanda negotiating team there. If I was on their side I would also be insisting the cash wasnt dependent on something bound to fail due to UK reasons.
There is no evidence that I am aware of that Rwanda has been given anything on top of the £140m they have already been given.
I think the £140m was just a deposit to cover the costs of materials, portaloos, skips, etc.
£140 million has been described as an 'initial payment' with further payments undefined and not quantified.
Sunday Times reported that Kigali wanted £15 million 'top up' to agree new terms while sunak refused to comment on additional payments.
Add these sums to payments to France and you get a big number which has done exactly what to deter any asylum seekers?
The answer is (very close to) nothing.
Government can always find money - if they want to.
Pathetic.
while sunak refused to comment on additional payments.
So he just coughed up whatever they asked for then...Rwandans should have gone for more than the 15 million.
It clearly shows that neither sunak nor any of his minions have a clue about negotiating.
In two easy steps they have handed complete control of this whole plan to Rwanda.
Genius.
I wonder what the governments legal bill is so far for this continued unworkable nonsense?
So he just coughed up whatever they asked for then…Rwandans should have gone for more than the 15 million.
Nah go too high and it might give the tories an excuse for backing out. Best not to kill the golden goose when you can get millions for nothing.
The plan to solve the whole Rwanda thing by sending over lawyers is amusing. I thought lefty lawyers were responsible for spoiling everything. Have they've found a team of crack righty lawyers down the back of the sofa?
Or is it more sinister than that - keep exporting lawyers to Rwanda until theres non left. Use the threat of relocation to a safe third country as a means of dissuading anyone thinking of becoming a lawyer from applying to law school.
richard tice...'the only things to have gone to Rwanda are 3 home secretaries and 140 million quid'.
As for government legal bill...if using in-house lawyers, nil as they're already on the payroll.
If external, kerching! for the lawyers.
a clumsy electoral trap for Labour
Timed to come into force in April.
May election?
Timed to come into force in April.
May election?
nah they want it to be in force before the election as theyre convinced it will save them........ until the next reset
It won't save them. This scarily accurate piece in the Mash explains why...
If you only knew how racist we really are, sigh right-wing voters
Timed to come into force in April.
May election?
It's a head-scratcher. May seems obvious, as they want to get the geriatric vote out, and they won't do that in January. But then, in May, the winter energy/cost-of-living extravaganza we're about to experience will be fresh in everyone's minds. He must know there's no economic turnaround coming now, that everything he's announcing will be unravelling within a few months. Even with a significant Parliamentary majority he's losing key votes now.
I thought he'd go this autumn, as none of the signs were good for 2024, let Labour bear the brunt of what's to come and hope to get back in in 2028/9. But I guess dumb decisions and wishful thinking are strong in the modern Conservative Party. Hell, they may even go for another leader switcheroo before calling the election immediately.
It is only a trap if Labour don't oppose it, the trap of once again going along with the racist Torie agenda out of sheer cowardice.
There is absolutely no point in claiming that labour will be different to the Tories, and then in the next breath saying they shouldn't be different because every own goal the tories present is a trap. It is nothing but pure hypocrisy.
nah they want it to be in force before the election as theyre convinced it will save them
That would require them to believe that the whole idea of sending asylum seekers to Rwanda is actually going to make any difference - not a chance!
Which is precisely why they will want a general election before it is seen to have failed.
Labour will get the blame for scrapping it.
Too many people buy into this nonsense that the Tories are stupid. Ironically you have to be a little dim to believe that!
Small beans really, and probably only a couple of us on here still outraged and offended by this but whatever Little Rishi and co are spending money on, it's clearly not graphic designers still...
Work experience kid and Canva?
All right wing/nationalist design is absolutely awful due to it reflecting the (lack of) taste of the idiots producing it. They're always so ridiculously simplistic they reduce everything to an insistence on using flags everywhere, horrible (flag-related) primary colours and CAPITAL LETTERS IN HIDEOUS, BLOCKY, CONDENSED TYPEFACES
Which self-respecting graphic designer would want to produce that shite?
"New Plan for Immigration" they even lie in four words of print.
£140 million <<-- yup,small beans 😠
shame that some could do with a few plates of beans.
As the gap increases,the haves don't give a toss about the have not,so let's keep the attention on these pesky illegals.
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plus however much more they have given and its certainly some from their refusal to admit or deny it. Just " it will be in the accounts published next year"
To be fair to the Rwandan government, you’d have to pay me over a hundred million to have to endure dealing with Priti Patel, Suella Braverman then James Cleverley in quick succession