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the press have stopped talking about sacking Braverman and are only really talking about Cameron. Which has the added benefit that it must be pissing of Braverman something terrible.
Surely Braverman is keeping her powder dry for tomorrow when she will denounce the liberal-leftie courts, and declare her sacred mission to withdraw the UK from the ECHR and save it from an armada of invading small boats?
Braverman has plenty of venom left to poison British society. I am sure that she is hoping to be across all the front pages on Thursday.
This seems like the reshuffle where Rishi will finally get around to filling the Minister for Magic slot, which has been vacant since Robert Hardy died.
Surely Braverman is keeping her powder dry for tomorrow when she will denounce the liberal-leftie courts, and declare her sacred mission to withdraw the UK from the ECHR and save it from an armada of invading small boats?
She's struggling to contain herself, I think the Cameron appointment was like poking her with a lit cigarette.
https://twitter.com/PolitlcsUK/status/1724372155779989996
: Suella Braverman is threatening to release “damning evidence” about Rishi Sunak
I don't think there was any doubt that Braverman knows where the bodies are buried, which no doubt contributed to the difficulty that Sunak had in sacking her.
Surely Braverman is keeping her powder dry for tomorrow when she will denounce the liberal-leftie courts, and declare her sacred mission to withdraw the UK from the ECHR and save it from an armada of invading small boats?
I reckon she'll go further as she's now really the poster girl/potential leader for the far right loons who think Sunak is some pinko socialist
I expect she'll go into meltdown tomorrow and not only denounce the liberal lefty alliance but rope Rishi in as one of the 'Wokerati' and say that she would have won the case if she hadn't been fatally undermined by Rishi. From then on its full bore with withdrawing from the ECHR, firing immigrants into the sun, bringing back public floggings and putting homeless people on spikes in town centres
Rats in a sack
This HAS to end, surely?
This was the split in the Tory party that David Cameron originally healed (papered-over) by promising a referendum on EU membership in return for being appointed party leader, back in 2005, opposing David Davis.
So they've not solved the problem in almost twenty years, hard to see it going away anytime soon.
Au contraire molgrips, this just starting to get going. We've still got a bit of room left before the satirical commentators give up and just report the news as they can not think of anything more batshit mental than the government can come up with.
Suella Braverman is threatening to release “damning evidence” about Rishi Sunak
You mean more damning than him being an incompetent and corrupt multi-millionaire?
At this stage I reckon she could release evidence that he'd had it off with an alien being and everyone would just shrug their shoulders, maybe ask if the alien was OK.
I can’t decide if Minister for Common Sense is Orwellian, Kafkaesque, or just a Monty Python sketch that never got made.
Can you imagine the intelligence briefings that other governments are getting right now about the Cabinet re-shuffle of a country that stopped being serious at the appointment of Boris Johnson...I'd imagine they're probably finding it quite hard to keep a straight face.
"Yes, they have appointed a minister for common sense, no, I assure you, it's not a joke..."
“Yes, they have appointed a minister for common sense, no, I assure you, it’s not a joke…”
I wonder how it translates in other languages?
It might even make less sense?
“Yes, they have appointed a minister for common sense, no, I assure you, it’s not a joke…”
.... but, get this.... the punchline is...
it's Esther McVey!
According to the Daily Telegraph Sunak had a face to face meeting with Cameron (secretly) the day before Braverman's Times article attacking the police.
Apparently the decision to have a reshuffle in late November early December and sack Braverman was made some time ago. It was brought forward firstly because of her recent behaviour, and secondly because it was feared that she would resign tomorrow in the wake of the court ruling.
The Telegraph also claims that only a tiny inner circle around Sunak were aware of the plan, and they are especially proud that it wasn't leaked. Apparently the greatest threat of a leak was when they had to approach whoever it is in the House of Lords of Lords to inform them that Cameron was to be made a Lord. But they did obviously pull it off.
By all accounts Braverman and her supporters had no idea. I'm lovin this inner Tory Party intrigue and backstabbing..... open civil war and undercover civil War 😎
Not sure where this minister of common sense has come from, but she's the minister without portfolio just now, i'm guessing it's new thinking for some reason or other, but is a bit of a weird one to 'name' this post.
The in-fighting will be good, mainly because if up against the far right of the party, Sunak et al will have to counter left, which will stop some of the madness that's been happening, i just don't see Braveman having much support to actually have a real fight, and i don't see her being privy to anything damning, as i doubt Sunak trusted her since the minute he got there, i mean who in the hell would?!
Lets just hope they don't stabilise and actually get a footing, with the upcoming election and the usual smoke and mirrors coming up with tax cuts, big flashy announcements, etc that you get with the run up, hopefully the implosion lasts a good while, nothing to do with this thread just now, but i still can't believe we had Liz Truss as prime minister, that one fact just makes me question everything that could happen!
The first problem with striking a coalition deal with the LDs is that it would have to be signed off by the party membership. I think the overwhelming majority of the membership (myself included) would crawl all the way to Mars over broken glass to vote against this, especially as the Tory party now is far further right than it was in 2010.
Well I would imagine that, like me, back in 2010 given the option of coalition with either main party the vast majority would have said "no not the Tories".
Dumbojo kicked out all the remainers ,can’t Sunak just kick her and her lunatics out?
Made me laugh, but we're almost at that stage now.
https://twitter.com/alexandrakuri/status/1724428141249122475
Not sure where this minister of common sense has come from,
An article in the Sun. did they make it up or was it given to them as a sop to the ERG loons?
minister without portfolio
Just digest what that those words mean, for a moment.
Dumbojo kicked out all the remainers ,can’t Sunak just kick her and her lunatics out?
I think that would result in a loss of majority and given they are loons they would probably vote with a Labour proposal for an immediate GE in revenge.
Anyway.
Lets get back to successes.
He has met his target to half inflation.
Lets leave aside it was never going to be his to control and given how high it was seen as an easy goal to hit.
He has gone above and beyond and reached it. Lets just hope it doesnt creep back up.
He has even achieved six days out of seven without any small boat crossings (incidentally it is depressing the gov has a page for this).
Again lets ignore the naysayers pointing at the numbers on the other day and also just how crap the weather was.
He promises and he meets! Aside from, alledgedly, to Cruella but shes a tory and so doesnt understand the concept.
Watching PMQs is it just me or does James Cleverley look more like Popeye's nemesis Brutus with each passing day?
So word on the street is... Rwanda ruled unlawful right? So, in this afternoons speech, Rishi will announce he's changing the law to make it lawful.
What utter ****ers they are.
He still will not be able to change international law and the "notwithstanding" will not stand up in court I doubt
Rishi will announce he’s changing the law to make it lawful.
I think it won't make any difference. In their judgement their Lordships essentially say that regardless of whether we're signed up members of the ECHR which specifically outlaws the Rwanda policy, our responsibilities in this area form a core part of any number of International commitments that we've agreed to uphold and have said so repeatedly on the International stage, and is is a fundamental part of the UK upholding and developing "the rule of law"
Rishi will announce he’s changing the law to make it lawful.
Quite right too, these petty laws are made for mere mortals, not Tories.
Something is against the law?! Well change the law until it isn't!
Simple.
😉
How about a nice 'Enabling Act' so he doesn't even have to get it past Parliament?
One of the key arguments for Brexit was to have British judges in British courts to determine British laws, none of that Brussels interference.
Turns out they didn't mean the British Supreme Court telling them that what they're trying to do is unlawful...
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They’re determined to keep digging with this Rwanda bollocks, aren’t they?
I doubt this is the last legal humiliation they’ll suffer on this utterly pointless road
Rishi looked really, really scary stood at his lectern earlier with his sternest face on, saying he was going to ‘pick fights’. Really scary! Honest!
The pathetic little dweeb!
Can we just get rid of these losers now please?
I'm not sure I can bear another 6 months listening to the pathetic squabbles of what has to be the most motley collection of egotists, narcissists, liars, inept brain dead out of touch sacks of plasma, blood & fat ever allowed to draw breath....!
A lot of this makes me very sad, and also, ashamed of this country. All the problems in this world, all the many problems in this country and the best our “leader” can do is posture from behind a podium emblazoned with “stop the boats”. Europe must be glad they’ve got rid of us.
He has met his target to half inflation.<br />Lets leave aside it was never going to be his to control and given how high it was seen as an easy goal to hit.
That's like me predicting during September that November will arrive. Oh look I'm a tactical genius!
Quite right too, these petty laws are made for mere mortals, not Tories.
This works well until someone successfully gets the cabinet arrested on contempt charges not withstanding parliamentary immunity. Remember 30p Lee ignoring laws works both ways.
It seems like they're planning to devote more energy and time sorting out Rwanda's problems than our own over the next six months.
A lot of this makes me very sad, and also, ashamed of this country. All the problems in this world, all the many problems in this country and the best our “leader” can do is posture from behind a podium emblazoned with “stop the boats”. Europe must be glad they’ve got rid of us.
+1. I'm not exactly a political animal but I've never heard such a fascist speech from a leader of this country which essentially boiled down to "Sod the law, we'll find anyway we can to make sure those bloody foreigners either don't get in or end up homeless in a 3rd world dictatorship*"
* I do mean Rwanda btw, not a tent in Westminster although the statement qualifies to both.
pannick stations!!
Quick, bring back Suella and go full far-right nutter! That'll solve it!
It seems like they’re planning to devote more energy and time sorting out Rwanda’s problems than our own over the next six months.
More and more councils are up against the wall in terms of funding. Austerity over the last 10+ years, inflation, catastrophic rise in homelessness, mental health and social care needs, dramatic rise in the disrepair of the roads is all stretching council budgets well beyond the limit.
Councils are waiting for their settlements and budgets, they need some stability in the housing market in order to build new properties, meanwhile people are suffering the biggest sustained drop in living standards since WWII and what is this Government doing...?
That's right, poncing around over a few dozen boats. A problem which wouldn't exist if they staffed and funded the Home Office properly to deal with asylum applications promptly and either send them back or get them into the system, working and paying tax. A problem which could have been stopped at source if we'd actually have worked constructively with the French to process claims in Calais - like they offered!
What a morally bankrupt bunch of utter scum we have in charge.
And against all this, the leader of the opposition is offering " we're marginally less shit than the Tories" as an alternative.
I despair.
Obviously it's a bit of fun but those poll numbers result in 525 seats for Labour, 45 Tory and 36 LD!
Hahahahahaha - wipeout!
That's the second sub 20% poll in 24hrs
Lord Dave bounce, one assumes
that poll has to be worth a 2 or 3 more letters to Mr Brady. When does it get to the "What have we got to lose?" stage ?
Obviously it’s a bit of fun but those poll numbers result in 525 seats for Labour, 45 Tory and 36 LD!
how do you get to the constituency seats from the % votes? I’d be almost as concerned at a 125 seat Labour majority as I would at Rishi having a marvellous come back and ending up as a minority gov!
how do you get to the constituency seats from the % votes?
https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/userpoll.html
the last 2 polls: PeoplePolling & FindOutNow
look something like this on electoral calculus
What a morally bankrupt bunch of utter scum we have in charge.
And against all this, the leader of the opposition is offering ” we’re marginally less shit than the Tories” as an alternative.I despair.
All the proceeding post is what the opposition should be bashing the government over the head about, rather consistently hitting the post rather than the open goals.
that poll has to be worth a 2 or 3 more letters to Mr Brady. When does it get to the “What have we got to lose?” stage ?
I doubt any of them are stupid enough to think that yet another leadership election, resulting in yet another PM from the limited Tory gene pool would result in a significant improvement in their personal prospects of re-election, and it might force an election sooner and shorten the time on the gravy train.
https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/userpoll.html
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thanks - I know I am over analysing it but this shows a Tory gain! In Scotland… and I find that about as likely as Liz Truss being the next PM!
Serious Q: if Sunak wakes up tomorrow and realises that he's very naughty, does he alone have the power to call an election?
We’re back to the PM only needing the King to agree to an election. Whenever they want. In theory.
David Cameron’s change to parliament having to vote on it are long gone… removed by those wanting to restore power to the executive that had been given to parliament (despite all the talk from them of the importance of the UK parliament being sovereign).
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/tried-and-tested-system-for-calling-elections-restored
kormoran - I like that
ive got a cunning plan
https://twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/1724906055073964177?t=LJP2a5dgi-3SANn2dg9sDw&s=19
ive got a cunning plan
Crikey, they really are scraping the bottom of the barrel now... inheritence tax isn't really a big issue unless you are worth millions.
I mean if you are worth 8 million quid or something daft, then it is, but then there are financial vehicles to work around that anyway.
This is not going to affect anyone really, aside from the super rich, which it will benefit, but they would also presumably have good financial advice anyway, so it's all kind of a moot point?
And against all this, the leader of the opposition is offering ” we’re marginally less shit than the Tories” as an alternative.
I despair.
That’s what the current government want you to think!!
🤦🏻♂️
Having a play with the electoral calculus tool and looking at the predictions by constituency...good luck to the tories in finding enough MPs with only a shred of credibility from that rump to form HM's loyal opposition!
If there is a continued switch in support away from tories to reform it's entirely possible that the LibDems will form the opposition; quite a thought.
No doubt that a cut in inheritance tax will give lil rise! a big boost in the polls...
He has met his target to half inflation.
TBH isn’t that a bit of porky
It is true that CPI inflation has halved, but the government had nothing to do with that. But, an interview with Jeremy Hunt reveals that the government considered core inflation to be their target. This has not halved, or come anywhere close
Inflation Hasn't Halved as Claimed by the Tories
I suppose it’s the usual not really quantifying what your basing your result on.
Interesting how household utility costs are used within the inflation calculator - unlike say groceries they don't actually look at what we spend, and how much it's gone up/down etc but use a theoretical number based on the Price Cap.
They Are Lying To You About UK Inflation - YouTube
Anyway, normally energy prices rise from this point until Spring, so if the fall is driven primarily by those, won't inflation just go up again?
Not necessarily, it depends what price was last year, not last month. So if prices go up at this time of year, they'll have done so at this time of year last year too.
He really doesn’t have anything does he?
Trying to use corbyn as a defence constantly
He never did,he was lucky to be slotted in a position (when javid stood up for his people) that need someone to dosh out the money to stop the wheels coming off when covid happened.
Followed up with ‘eat out to help the virus’ more splashing of cash.
I suppose his only thing was the Windsor agreement and his Inbetweener impression.
This is not going to affect anyone really, aside from the super rich, which it will benefit, but they would also presumably have good financial advice anyway, so it’s all kind of a moot point?
It sounds good. Everyone thinks that when they die the taxman will take everything, the Daily ExpressMail base most of their articles on how much someone's house is worth, it's a well-known barometer of an area or person (well, it is if you're as shallow as the Daily Wail).
So it sounds good if you can cut it, even though for many people it's simply not relevant.
Crucially though, the ones it is relevant to (wealthy homeowners) are more likely to vote Tory.
Crucially though, the ones it is relevant to (wealthy homeowners) are more likely to vote Tory.
as with appointing Cameron
they are focusing on the blue wall Surrey voters
Interesting how household utility costs are used within the inflation calculator – unlike say groceries they don’t actually look at what we spend, and how much it’s gone up/down etc but use a theoretical number based on the Price Cap.
They Are Lying To You About UK Inflation – YouTube
That vids really interesting..and not very good news on the impending mortgage crisis.
Still when that problem arises he’ll be long gone to sunny cal.
as with appointing anointing Cameron 🙂
TBH Brexit has really accelerated the reality dysfunction, in my wildest dreams as he sauntered off stage right humming to board the gravy boat of the after dinner speaking circuit I didn’t think we’d be hearing from him again.
If there is a continued switch in support away from tories to reform it’s entirely possible that the LibDems will form the opposition; quite a thought.
Dream on. The saying that a Donkey with a blue rosette could win many seats is partially true, any idiot with the blue rosette will get in, in roughly 170 seats. The Lib-dems will be lucky to get 50 seats, even with a Tory collapse. It is the middle ground, as usual, which Labour have to win, the 250 or so seats where the vote could go either way. It’s looking like 100 of those seats are already going Labours way, so it’s a dogfight over around 150 seats to get a majority, get 50 of those, and Labour are in.
It seems like they’re planning to devote more energy and time sorting out Rwanda’s problems than our own over the next six months.
'Development' Money already sent to Rwanda for scheme that will probably never happen - £140m
Money pledged for the NHS to alleviate winter pressures (which cause actual excess deaths) - £200m
That £140m would have paid for a massive acceleration in processing of asylum applications, they could have dealt with the backlog. It is entirely a manufactured problem, made worse by the totemic idiocy of not wanting to cooperate with EU countries to curb the people trafficking issue.
If there is a continued switch in support away from tories to reform
I still don't trust Reform not to pull their candidates in blue marginals, whatever they've said on the matter.
Development’ Money already sent to Rwanda for scheme that will probably never happen – £140m
I wonder what the governments (and therefore ‘our’) legal bill is for all this Rwanda nonsense, so far? Surely we must be able to add on at least the same again?
Then there’s all the expense of that daft barge
With those two ridiculous white elephants they must have seen off a couple of billion by now? And for what? Housing a few hundred asylum seekers?
What’s the present backlog of claims? 170,000? It’s almost as if they’re deliberately avoiding addressing the real issue, no doubt as that would require some actual ideas and effort, and are just looking for headline-grabbing distractions instead
We're potentially over a year away from a general election, so folk thinking the tories will call one early aren't understanding politics!
The big issue for me just now is that the tories are moving away from the hard right, with minimal pushback so far, they have a year to get their house in order, they have several carrots that they'll be feeding the population between now and the general election, and as always, the tories have a strong backbone of voters, so only have to sway those voters who have voted tory in the past back into the fold to get a hung parliament, or potentially win.
Folk who think the next GE is a foregone conclusion forget the population have short term memories, and with a lot of influences aimed at causing the labour party to implode, it's going to be a long 12 months, forget about the polls just now, nobody cares about that, it's the polls in the final month, and the actual final push that matters more.
Dream on
My comment was clearly hypothetical and qualified by 'If'.
The wider post was, as stated, based on playing with the electoral calculus tool which only provides a snap shot in time and is not a reflection of my view.
The big issue for me just now is that the tories are moving away from the hard right, with minimal pushback so far
Well that’s what they’d like everyone to think, but it takes more than sacking Cruella and appointing a more remainy foreign secretary to move towards the centre
Sunaks views aren’t that different from Cruellas, he just hid behind her willingness to voice them
Yesterday he stood at a lectern, flanked by lots of flags and announced ‘emergency legislation’ which will probably mean the suspension or tearing up of legally binding international treaties. Why? So he can deport asylum seekers to Rwanda, without having to comply with those pesky laws that apply to the rest of us. He’s making a statement that he and his government are above the law and can effectively do what the hell they like, without legal constraint
That’s pretty far right, by any metric.
Lord Sumption, a former supreme court judge, has dismissed the notion that legislation like this would make any difference. He told the News at 10 last night:
<br />I have never heard of them trying to change the facts, by law. For as long as black isn’t white, the business of passing acts of parliament to say that it is profoundly discreditable.
<br />I have never heard of a situation in which parliament intervenes to declare the facts – the safety or unsafety of Rwanda – to change the facts from those which have been declared by the courts to be correct.
The courts have perused hundreds of pages of documents to arrive at this conclusion. For parliament simply to say the facts are different would be constitutionally really quite extraordinary.
They’re just going to open up a can of worms and mire themselves deeper in a legal quagmire that they can’t ‘win’
Honest Bob Jenrick was funny on Newsnight last night. He was trying to say that they knew this was coming and have had this planned for months. Yeah, right. We all know, not least from Cruellas resignation huff, that there was no Plan B and Rishi cooked this up on the back of a fag packet yesterday afternoon. It’s going to actually be funny watching them trying to go to war with the legal establishment on the strength of that
The really weird thing about all this is the fact they've known for at least a couple of years now that they won't be able to send people to Rwanda, make them apply for asylum there and wash their hands. Their own lawyers would've told them that, and the Appeals Court told them that. All this time they could've developed a new plan has been wasted while they continue to spin (lie) about how they'll go ahead and do this, when they know full well that all the lanes to achieve this are now closed (and in reality have been from the get-go) But rather than face their own supporters with the reality of an unworkable plan, we're now here.
I didn't think jenrick was funny on Newsnight - he was pathetic and duplicitous.
So that nice mr sunak says work on Plan B has been ongoing for some time and you, mr jenrick, say you were doing that with braverman.
That being the case, why did she say there was no Plan B?
Illegal migrants, Rwanda, more waffle and no answer.
This has nothing to do with fixing the asylum/small boats problem. It's a rallying cry for their hard of thinking supporters.
If they give up this dog whistle, they'll have to find another marginalised group to blame their failures on.
I didn’t think jenrick was funny on Newsnight – he was pathetic and duplicitous.
He's another one like Johnson, where you know that they're lying because their lips move.
When I said it was funny, I mean watching Victoria Derbyshire tear him a new one and leave him looking like an absolute idiot
We all know that there is no 'Plan B'. They're literally making it up as they go along. Not something that is generally done by the legal establishment, who tend to deal in certainties rather than winging it and hoping for the best. I wonder who's going to come out on top of the fight that Rishi is now picking
I'm sure they'll dial the 'Enemies of the People' rhetoric up to the max