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Steve Barclay, ex health sec, has now got the environment jobbie.
So. Cameron making a second run for PM in the near future?
Just looks at the daily mail comments through a vpn. Oh man they are going into meltdown, one even suggested that all tory mp's from the last 13 years should be hung for treason
I dunno that sounds like its worth thinking about
"Laura Trott made Treasury chief secretary".
Will the real Laura Trott stand up?
Very similar looking TBF.
How long do we reckon Cruella will stay quiet
interviewed by Johnson on GB news first thing Thursday?
Thats the first time I've ever read the Daily Mail comments section
I mean, I expected it to be bad, but.... WOW! 😳
They don't like Rishi much, do they? Whereas they bloody love Cruella
With the parade of utter dimwits that are now being announced as ministers, Rishi is well through the bottom of that barrel. Victoria Atkins has just been appointed Health Secretary
It must literally have been like the episode of the Thick Of It where they're desperately trying to find anyone to appoint as Minister for Social Affairs before finally getting Nichola Murray to take it as 5th or 6th choice
Yep me too, good fun.
OMFG, tried to look at the comments but that site is a car crash.
"Gaza cannot and must not be allowed to remain a prison camp"
- Lord Cameron 2010
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2010/jul/27/david-cameron-gaza-prison-camp
binners
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Another GB News presenter is appointed to the cabinet. Esther McVey is now Minister for the Cabinet Office
What an absolute farce and the jokes on us.
I’m going to stick my neck out here and say Dave’s appointment; as far as PR goes; is a stroke of genius.
It's the first politically smart thing that Sunak has done. Before that the focus was on Suella's response and her band of merry idiots. Now Cameron dominates the headlines for the next 24 hours.
It's also astute in terms of shoring up the middle England vote, which is just about all the Tories have to play for.
Her actual title is ‘Minister for Common Sense’
Feels like a token to keep the GBeebies audience happy. One of their presenters gets a job with basically no brief, no legislation to pursue. Just soundbites on 'wokeness' for that end of the media market.
Just a constant revolving door of ministers. Housing is now on its 16th minister since 2010. Steve Barclay is in his 8th ministerial job since 2020.
The place is being run like a third division football team, constantly swapping managers and coaches around while trying to work out how to rescue the unholy mess.
Her actual title is ‘Minister for Common Sense’Christ on a ****ing bendybus.
Oh that absolutely guarantees that she's going to be the thickest moron in town.
The problem is, within a week Cameron just becomes the new normal and all the usual Tory infighting and country wide issues are back in people's minds.
Cameron is also bringing a lot of baggage with him, he's not a clean pair of hands. I think many will view his appointment as the Tories just throwing the dice again.
They'd be correct too.
binners
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Her actual title is ‘Minister for Common Sense’
To save me hunting, is that the actual title? Genuinely?
From the Sun (sorry)
ESTHER McVey has made a shock return to the Cabinet as Rishi Sunak's "common sense tsar" tasked with tackling the scourge of wokery, The Sun understands.
So, I'm not sure if that's an actual title but the job description is astounding enough...
Yeah, people going through no fault evictions, struggling to pay mortgages, living in tents, waiting years for NHS operations wake up every morning bemoaning how wokism is the scourge of their lives.
Holy crap.
I doubted he could look any superior and pleased with himself, but it seems I was wrong
I want to see Nadine Dorries' reaction to him being made a peer.
Official announcement doesn't seem to have any of the common sense / wokery nonsense.
binners
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Just watching Dave on the news has reminded why I absolutely despised the smug, smarmy, self-entitled pig-****er when he bowed outI doubted he could look any superior and pleased with himself, but it seems I was wrong
There will be some big money to be earned here too. This is as much about feathering his nest as anything else. No wonder he looks smug. Get involved in some shady dealings worth buildings, the punishment? Promotion back into government.
It's the Tory way.
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Official announcement doesn’t seem to have any of the common sense / wokery nonsense.
It seems that number 10 "sources" are promoting the anti woke stuff about her appointment. It's to placate the ERG mob for parachuting in Cameron allegedly...
Oh, Mcvey has to give up her TV side hustle for this appointment, leaving a job vacancy...
Paging Suella!
I think Mad Nad has a gig on Talk TV already?
So many Tories... Just not enough TV presenter gigs for them all.
I pray they don't end up in tents. I worry for them.
C4 News reporting a couple of Tories have handed in letters to the 1922 committee and more might in Wednesday depending upon the court ruling.
They wont her enough letters in but it's a sign the infighting will continue as Rome burns.
^ Yeah, I think she's posted on Twitter calling for a vonc?
Sunak is buggered basically. This comes across as a young lad having to call his dad to pick him from a nightclub as he is stoned and got into a fight. And lost.
"Oh Rishi...."
"Sorry dad. Can I open the window? I have to puke."
"FFS Rishi!..."
“Tsar for Common Sense attending Cabinet”
Had to check several times to make sure it wasn’t a joke.
Can we end this shit now!?! We need an election.
Well again, sticky-neck-out time; Dave’s biggest mis-judgement was trusting the British electorate
In fairness he had had two successful referendums so seems to have brought into the myth he was a PR master. As opposed to spending a couple of years in a PR role that his mummy organised for him and having won the other referendums due to the support of the right wing rags. Its more their support he misjudged.
His paid lobbying for Greensill is also up there. We are lucky that imploded before he could help get it to deeply embedded.
I bet someone else wrote it, she would hit too many keys at once using her forehead
It's complete drivel, so I'm fairly sure she wrote it herself.
My favourite sentence in it is the following, which seems to be trying to support Boris:
"Yes Boris, the man who won the conservative party a massive majority, was unforgivable enough."
I hadn’t thought about that, it will be astonishing if she hasn’t had a seizure
I reckon she will be chuffed to bits.
It proves (for a rather flexible definition) that there was a plot in the tories to take control from the glorious hero Johnson.
This is the next step in their dastardly plan. After forcing Johnson and then Truss out to get Sunak in they are now using Sunak to get Cameron back in as PM.
Its 10d long term chess.
It's all kicking off at Tory HQ, Sunak looks like he's going towards the left of the party as the right is just too mad for his liking now!
I enjoy listening to 'The Rest is Politics' on youtube, which has Alistair Campbell and Rory Stewart discussing key issues, they've done a video for this and lots of potential areas being raised, it's a good listen.
Some gammon headbanger Tory MP was on channel 4 news earlier talking about the letters going in already and another leadership election. He was deadly serious too.
They seem to regard this as their entitlement even after Boris, Mad Lizzie the rolling car crash of the last few years and would actually do it without a second thought. They’re all absolutely insane!
Fantasy politics question: imagine you are Sunak, and your only aim is to retain power. What would you do today to stay in office?
I would immediately call a GE which would terrify the entire Tory party so they have to stop criticising Sunak and start campaigning. It would shut diwn parliament and government. I would then go completely batshit aggressive on Labour, enough to scare the Tory base and watch Labour year itself apart as it loves to. And I would form a coalition with the Lib Dems...
When did sunak contact cameron to start the discussion...hi dave, it's me lil' rish!
It's entirely possible - but hugely unlikely - it was over a coffee after the Remembrance service; sunak is described as someone who likes to plan so was it the Times article wot dun it for braverman?
I think this was in the works for several weeks at a minimum.
yeah definitely been in the works for a while, you've got to wonder why he appointed her in the first place
if braverman was only given the job to keep the extreme right wingers happy, is sunak now strong enough he can just ignore them
the front pages are all about Cameron, barely a whiff of braverman
I would immediately call a GE
Not a chance in hell, the tories, as any sitting party have a plan, which will include the carrot phase next year, of offering tax cuts, positive news on spending and so on, call an election now and it'll be a bloodbath for them.
Reality is, there is positives and negatives for Sunak, he is starting to move the party left, you no longer have the mentalists talking about immigration, withdrawing from human rights act and so on in positions of power, Cameron is also probably one of the best orators there's been over the last 20 years, so that could help as well, but negative wise, well there's a bucket load, and over the next month or two you can see the tory party ripping themselves apart publicly, which will be fun to watch 😂
It'll be interesting to see how far down they go, talk of leadership battles before an election is absolutely unreal, but this is from the same party that voted for Boris to be PM, and they did even worse with Liz Truss, i honestly still can't believe she was PM, it's feels more like a feverish dream sequence than real life, so for them to do it again is probably not that unrealistic!
discussions became focussed about a week ago so…pre-dating the Times article.
I doubt any Tory minister has organised anything more than a week in advance since 2016.
More than 48 hours notice is classed as long-term planning with these clowns. They’re literally making it up on the hoof
As stated, this was a good watch on youtube about Cameron https://www.youtube.com/live/MukFJRQP2VI?si=rCgekrw_dmo3N3UM
Fantasy politics question: imagine you are Sunak, and your only aim is to retain power. What would you do today to stay in office?
Not a chance of the early election. They will hang on as long as they can hoping for a good war or something turning up. I cannot see any policy that would get past his party and be popular with the wider elctorate
an election now would be a bloodbath for the tories
And I would form a coalition with the Lib Dems…
As a long term LibDem supporter I would hope they have learned their lesson, especially as "Call Me Dave" is back in the loop.
the shit Starmer would cop if he brought Brown or Blair into the shadow cabinet!
@slowoldman @politecameraaction The first problem with striking a coalition deal with the LDs is that it would have to be signed off by the party membership. I think the overwhelming majority of the membership (myself included) would crawl all the way to Mars over broken glass to vote against this, especially as the Tory party now is far further right than it was in 2010.
The second problem is that the overwhelming majority of seats we can win are Tory-facing, and any sniff of a deal jeopardises that.
The third problem is that having learned the hard way any coalition deal would have to include constitutional and electoral reform, but as we know that Tories are wedded to FPTP as it gives them advantages so that won't be happening.
I mentioned this on the obesity thread but I think it really also requires a note here - Victoria Atkins as the new health secretary and ultimately responsible for creating policy around the huge issue of sugar in processed food, probably the largest single health issue in the UK since smoking.
In this situation, I guess it helps to be an expert in your subject - lucky she's married to the Chief Executive of British Sugar then.
I mean I know that cabinet get paid a fair amount but a bet it pales into insignificance comapared to the salary of a CE of a multinational, so its pretty safe to say her lifestyle is paid for by sugar....
lucky she’s married to the Chief Executive of British Sugar then.
A couple of interesting things here - I assume British Sugar is the sugar beet industry but from memory the cane sugar industry (e.g Tate & Lyle) funded Brexit.
Secondly, one of the big problems in the environment brief is the use of neonicotinoids in the sugar industry. Probably a good thing she's not got that one?
There are, I think, 8 qualified GPs and doctors in the Conservative party currently serving as MPs, any one of which I would have though would have more insight into the running of the NHS than [checks notes] a privately educated barrister and daughter of a Tory MP.
I think there was probably less blatant nepotism in the court of Henry 8th
This is the main problem though. As soon as someone is appointed to the cabinet, you're immediately looking into what particular vested interests they represent.
The main problem with Victoria Atkins is that she's as thick as mince and also up to her neck in dodgy 'Fast Lane' PPE contracts. She obviously gets her ethics from her dad
This whole thing has the air of Rishi desperately scrabbling round to get pretty much anybody to fill positions, regardless of any ability
To quote Malcolm Tucker: "Yeah, if she says no then the only other candidate is my left bollock with a ****ing smiley face drawn on it!"
Although TBF, the press have stopped talking about sacking Braverman and are only really talking about Cameron. Which has the added benefit that it must be pissing of Braverman something terrible. So 10 out of 10 for Political Manoeuvring for Sunak, despite the fact that it probably won't shift their desperate showing in the polls.
This whole thing has the air of Rishi desperately scrabbling round to get pretty much anybody to fill positions, regardless of any ability
Cleverly: 8 jobs in 7 years
Shapps: 10 jobs in 7 years (one of them for only 6 days)
Barclay: 7 jobs in 6 years
7 Home Secretaries, 9 Foreign Secretaries, 10 Environment Ministers, 16 Housing Ministers.
Oh and of course, 5 Prime Ministers (one for only 42 days)
What a good job we went with a Strong and Stable Government, not the chaos of Ed Miliband...
Did anyone else think of this when they they heard Rishi had brought back Dave.
So 10 out of 10 for Political Manoeuvring for Sunak, despite the fact that it probably won’t shift their desperate showing in the polls.
I think it was a cunning move by Sunak considering what he has to work with, will help shore up Tories in the blue wall seats to the detriment of the lib dems, -an effort to save the seats of the old school Tories, like Raab, Gove , quite a few of whom I couldve seen stepping down before the next GE. Not sure it will be enough to move the dial that much though.
Of course its abandoning a lot of those red wall new Tories, Anderson, Gullis etc
Not sure it will be enough to move the dial that much though.
I'd be very surprised if it makes much difference at all.
They are repeatedly saying "moving the party back to the centre right" this morning.
That's the message.
Then they appoint Esther McVey as "Minister for Common Sense". Imagine being that desperate for power that you take that job?
It's crazy.
Although TBF, the press have stopped talking about sacking Braverman and are only really talking about Cameron.
He's bought himself 48 hours. Thats all. As soon as the Rwanda decision is announced tomorrow it'll all royally go off again. Cruella has apparently got her newspaper article already written, ready to be published, blaming Sunak for the supreme court not letting her deport people to Rwanda.
From that point its game on. She'll then go full on with her leadership bid, advocating withdrawal from the ECHR with all the headbangers lined up behind her. The fact that Rishi has appointed Cameron has just wound them up even more
In this situation, I guess it helps to be an expert in your subject – lucky she’s married to the Chief Executive of British Sugar then.
Well, she's also been a Type 1 diabetic since the age of 2 and campaigns about diabetes...but that probably doesn't suit your narrative
From that point its game on. She’ll then go full on with her leadership bid, advocating withdrawal from the ECHR with all the headbangers lined up behind her. The fact that Rishi has appointed Cameron has just wound them up even more
Cleverly is in there now, and he is pro ECHR, so no chance of that happening, Cameron is the same, and Sunak with back up is on that side as well, i also don't think Braverman has that much support, yes she always has the far right wing fringes, but that's getting less and less, and this recent change to move 'left' of the current position means a lot of the sheep will be happy enough to follow.
Well, she’s also been a Type 1 diabetic since the age of 2 and campaigns about diabetes…but that probably doesn’t suit your narrative
I'm not even going to look to see where she falls on the debate about using tax and/or regulation to reduce the sales of high processed sugar goods... I think I can guess...
I can't decide if Minister for Common Sense is Orwellian, Kafkaesque, or just a Monty Python sketch that never got made.
Well, she’s also been a Type 1 diabetic since the age of 2 and campaigns about diabetes…
Type 2 diabetes, developed by many after years of high-sugar, high-fat diets, is the issue here - does she campaign on prevention of that?
She certainly declared a previous conflict of interest around cannabis regulation (British Sugar has a licence to grow it for medicinal products) while drugs minister and recused herself from policy decisions on it. Hopefully she will do the same when issues like sugar taxes and banning advertising are considered.
On balance, hopefully better than Barclay, which isn't difficult.
I can’t decide if Minister for Common Sense is Orwellian, Kafkaesque, or just a Monty Python sketch that never got made.
My first thought was the film "Brazil"... which is pretty much a mix off all three of those.