No matter how bad your weekend, at least you aren't at the loony right conference.
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Thanks, Andrea, off to look for my cat and turn off my car alarm now. 🙂
They really are imploding, the head bangers hsvent learnt a thing from whatd happened. Rishi has 2 options, do a Starmer and purge the loony tunes element or limp on trying to hold it all together as it turns to dust in his hands.
The biggest irony is all this started because Camerloon tried to neutralise the head bangers with the referendum.
Bunch of plastic patriots the lot of them. For all their flag shagging they'd secretly love to see the back of the monarchy.
The monarchy serves as a pretty benign space for crackpot nationalism. If the monarchy were removed then where would all that sentiment and energy migrate ? There's two ways it could go; the development of a socialist utopia, or something else...
If the right identified a social conservatism that could be exploited among red wall voters then just think what they'd do with the millions of disenfranchised royalists.
If rishi purged the loons there would be no one left.
Hilarious that Patel and co think somehow it's all rishi's fault. Yeah it's got nothing to do with her or Boris or the rest of his cabinet of the damned and their general conduct over the past 3 years.
Living on another planet and I can't wait to see the back of them all.
The monarchy serves as a pretty benign space for crackpot nationalism.
And a useful distraction for the republican element to blame for things - win/win
"And a useful distraction for the republican element to blame for things – win/win"
Agreed.
If rishi purged the loons there would be no one left.
Indeed. Boris made sure that anyone who possessed even a hint of sanity was shown the door and then elevated the most extreme fruitloops to the cabinet table in return for their fawning sycophancy.
Now they’re like the Taliban. Individual factions trying to outdo each other with their particular interpretation of right wing idealogical zealotry
Rishi was getting himself in the mood for the general election and to see what he’s got coming by going watching the team he allegedly supports*
The Torygraph put it quite well 😂
https://twitter.com/telefootball/status/1657430370134925315?s=46&t=1lK7Dw1b6RqGJyvufO-trQ
* or more like ‘Dave’Cameron can’t actually remember which one he said it was from one week to the next
Good fun watching the blue wedge - right wing libertarians - who've ruined the country and lined their own pockets. Even my brexity cycling group were moaning about the potholes today.
I'm sure there must be a Jacob! Rees! Mogg! thread but can't be arsed to locate it and we don't need another politics thread on P1 anyway.
But this tickled me. Video is a few tweets down and seems to have upset the minister for the 18th century,because Sebastian looks quite like JRM. But his 'threat' is being ripped to shreds which is ace.
NB vid has the c word. No, not conservative, but similar.
https://twitter.com/mrjimBob/status/1657380304368091141
Ah… the Moggster… champion of free speech… vanquisher of the snowflake cancel culture mob…
Deserves a link me thinks...
I'm calling fake. But an excellent bit of self promotion and marketing.
Looks fake, sadly, though Jim seems to think it's real. Who says Carter aren't relevant any more?
I think it's fake now, but still. Fake news can be weaponised both ways, and my twitter feed has a whole load of RW snowflakes frothing up about it.
And it's a catchy tune!
PMQ's should be worth a listen today. Rishi's off counting his money or splashing about in his pool or something, so Oliver Dowden is standing in for him. Which obviously means Keir will be replaced by Angela Rayner
I almost feel sorry for him. Almost...
Starmer definitely made the right choice when he chose Rayner as deputy.
I'm sure many thought he appointed her to placate the left of the party, (which he might well have done) but unlike Prescott, she's no ornament, she's extremely effective and makes up for Starmer's charisma deficit somewhat.
Though I'm sure they'd disagree over on the Satrmer thread...
Starmer definitely made the right choice when he chose Rayner as deputy.
Sorry to disagree with you... 😉 ...but she was elected by members.
[ and I also think she's great in the role ]
Unlike... (checks Google in disbelief)... Oliver Dowden?!? Or Sunak come to think of it. Neither chosen by party members, or voters more widely.
Though I’m sure they’d disagree over on the Satrmer thread…
We might actually discuss something of substance on the Starmer thread about Rayner's stance on policy rather than banging on about how entertaining it is watching her hurling insults and faux-outrage at public school tory boys. Like why is she so quiet about all the policies Starmer has dumped which she enthusiastically supported and promoted a few years ago? She was an uber flag waver for energy and water nationalisation and the abolition of tuition fees back then. Why has she changed her mind?
OI! Back in your box, you! Off you go to metaphorically shout at buses....
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Why has she changed her mind?
Why will Labour fight the next election on a different platform to the one from 2019? That's what you're asking really. Done to death on the other thread.
Angela Rayner, like others in the party, is hugely limited by what she can say and do, such is the totally undemocratic grip the right-wingers have on Labour.
Starmer definitely made the right choice when he chose Rayner as deputy.
Not only was she elected by the membership, who obviously thought that she would make a good deputy to the man who claimed to be a radical socialist, but Starmer has deliberately sought to neutralise her influence.
Although Starmer has the overwhelming support of the Parliamentary Labour Party, many of whom easily despise Labour Party members more than they do the Tories, Rayner is nevertheless a formidable adversary.
Keir Starmer handed his biggest internal rival, Angela Rayner, a major promotion on Sunday night after a day of fraught negotiations, but sacked his shadow chancellor and promoted his close ally Rachel Reeves to the role, in a move set to further inflame tensions with the party’s left.
The reshuffle of Starmer’s shadow cabinet was derailed by a prolonged standoff with Rayner who was locked in talks with Starmer’s team for hours on Sunday after leaked plans to sack her as party chair and national campaigns coordinator triggered an outcry.
I am surprised that you didn't know that inkster, it was quite a major story.
I agree that Angela Rayner has to a degree sold out, anyone in the upper echelons of Starmer's Labour Party has, but she was elected by the membership and she has one redeeming quality imo, she hasn't forgotten her roots.
You will still see Rayner standing shoulder to shoulder with trade unionists in dispute, and she will willingly speak at events staged by the organised labour movement, things which Starmer would shamefully never consider.
Oh christ! They're all here...
Anyway... Rayner ripping local am-dram theatre director Oliver Dowden a new one should be quite funny 😀
Kelvin, I stand corrected.
dazh,
You've perfectly outlined the reasons that I rate her.
I was about to ask what those members who voted for her think of her now? Thinking that they might have nominated her in the hope that she would use the role to undermine Starmer omce he shifted from his 'pledges' to the membership.
In the event, she hasn't turned out to be Rebecca Wrong Daily 2.0, she's turned out to be a pragmatic and extremely effective sidekick for the boring one.
Why has she changed her mind?... How do we know that she has. What we do know is that she has changed her stance, maybe with an eye on getting the Labour Party into government.
And with the Tory party in utter disarray, she probably figures that a shadow cabinet that looks unified and fit for purpose is more of a vote winner than some silver bullet policy or doubling down on some point of 'principle'.
OI! Back in your box, you! Off you go to metaphorically shout at buses….
As opposed to bashing each other over the head with Malbec - politely.
We might actually discuss something of substance on the Starmer thread about Rayner’s stance on policy rather than banging on about how entertaining it is watching her hurling insults and faux-outrage at public school tory boys. Like why is she so quiet about all the policies Starmer has dumped which she enthusiastically supported and promoted a few years ago? She was an uber flag waver for energy and water nationalisation and the abolition of tuition fees back then. Why has she changed her mind?
You're not going to get that analysis here Daz.
Wonder how many Tory outrage threads there are now?
If Starmer says Labour are now the real Conservatives then surely he ought to be in here really?
If Starmer says Labour are now the real Conservatives then surely he ought to be in here really?
That isn't what he said.
Admit it binners, you knew that simply mentioning Rayner's name would bring all the Starmer thread fan boys to the yard...
Great start....
"Can I welcome yet another deputy prime minister. The third ones a charm. 😂"
Jesus... Dowden is straight on to banging on about Jeremy Corbyn again
That isn’t what he said.
Maybe he should sue the I then.
"Jesus… Dowden is straight on to banging on about Jeremy Corbyn again"
Off to the Starmer thread with him..
Anyone else listen to the speeches at the NatCon conference....?
Surely if more people heard it, they would be scared off by the rhetoric spouted by various Tory MPs.
Lineker was right!
A selection of speeches at the start of the News Agents Podcast. Good episode.
That isn’t what he said.
Maybe he should sue the I then.
And lodge a compliant with the Independent Press Standards Organisation :
https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/labour-real-conservatives-keir-starmer-protect-way-life-2337576
Labour are the real conservatives, says Keir Starmer as he promises to protect ‘our way of life'
Although lot of newspapers reported that Starmer said he didn't care if people called him a conservative.
Ah, I see the confusion. From your link...
"The Conservatives can no longer claim to be conservative".
You see the difference, yes?
Some more...
“We can seize the opportunities of tomorrow and make them work for working people. But this ambition must never become unmoored from working peoples’ need for stability, for order, security.”
“We must understand there are precious things – in our way of life, in our environment, in our communities – that it is our responsibility to protect and preserve and to pass on to future generations.”
“And look – if that’s sounds conservative, then let me tell you: I don’t care. Somebody has got to stand up for the things that make this country great and it isn’t going to be the Tories.”
“That in the end is one of the great failure of the last 13 years. A Tory Party that in generations past saw itself as the protector of the nation and the union has undermined both. They’ve taken an axe to the security of family life, trashed Britain’s reputation abroad, and totally lost touch with the ordinary hope of working people.”
“The Conservative Party can no longer claim to be conservative.”
“It conserves nothing we value – not our rivers and seas, not our NHS or BBC, not our families, not our nation.”
Anyway, a useful conversation for the other thread. I won't add to the take over of this thread with any further comment on this here.
The Conservatives can no longer claim to be conservative“.
You see the difference, yes?
Wow, some desperate straw clutching going on there!
Obviously the Labour Party cannot be the real "Conservative Party" as that is a separate and different political party!
According to the i newspaper Starmer said that Labour are 'the real conservatives', and that he doesn't mind being called a conservative.
That is what is being pointed out, nothing more.
And yes it is totally relevant to this thread. This thread about the current Tory leader was started over a year ago, nowhere in its 68 pages has it been suggested that the problem with the Tory Party is that they are not real conservatives.
Now the leader of the Labour Party has suggested precisely that.
So is Rishi Sunak, to bring the thread firmly back onto the subject matter, a real conservative or not? The Labour leader doesn't think he is.
What conservative values should we be looking for, from a Labour Party perspective?
We might actually discuss something of substance on the Starmer thread about Rayner’s stance on policy rather than banging on about how entertaining it is watching her hurling insults and faux-outrage at public school tory boys.
Dowden isn't a posh boy. So we had the spectacle of two working class sell-outs slagging each other off. Still, it provided some folk here with some entertainment to accompany their organic tapas.
Im not sure if the NatC party conference needs its own thread- maybe the Braverman one
but its wild that Sunak has lost control so much that this is being allowed to happen this in summary of yesterday was brilliant
https://thecritic.co.uk/tory-trolling/
and already today weve had Starkey managing to be as offensive as he can manage about both slavery & the holocaust and we have even had the grand finale from 30p Lee yet!
So many Starkey quotes from the National Conservative rally today that send a chill down your spine... hard to pick one... but I'll go with...
"They do not care about black lives. They only care about the symbolic destruction of white culture."
...I wonder if Sunak will row back on supporting his ministers attending this event?
So many Starkey quotes from the National Conservative rally today that send a chill down your spine
I do wonder if Starkey has always been this batshit but was better at hiding it in the past or if he has just gone off the deep end over time.
…I wonder if Sunak will row back on supporting his ministers attending this event?
Looks like he has decided on the "disagree but personal choice" approach. After all what can he can do about it? Sack them and then do what? Promote one of the backbenchers who attended instead. Unless one of them personally says something he is going to be cautious.
"This thread about the current Tory leader was started over a year ago, nowhere in its 68 pages has it been suggested that the problem with the Tory Party is that they are not real conservatives".
That's because the Tory party abandoned conservatism for ethnic nationalism back in 2016 with the Brexit vote so for many of us, the notion that the Tories aren't conservatives any more has been priced in for some time, (and baked in since 2020).
Still, I admire your ability to scan through and absorb 68 pages of comments in 60 seconds. It also confirms that although you've often responded to mine and others posts, you've obviously never read them but I'll indulge you one more time:
"What conservative values should we be looking for, from a Labour Party perspective?"
Respect for Parliament and the rule of law. I'll leave it at that.
Aren’t you meant to manning a barricade somewhere comrade?
It's touching that you took time out from well-remunerated crayoning to recycle one of your very small stock of pictures.
Still, I admire your ability to scan through and absorb 68 pages of comments in 60 seconds.
LOL! That is absolutely brilliant
....are you really suggesting that the only way I can be sure that no one has suggested that the problem with the Tory Party is that they are not real conservatives is by scanning the last 68 pages?!?! 😂🤣
I can assure you that if anyone had posted drivel like that previously it would have come to my and other people's attention.
Starmer struck a new low for Labour by claiming that Labour are better conservatives than the Tories. Predictably people like you and Kelvin fully back this nonsense despite never having made that claim before Starmer did.
You even claim that, quote, "respect for Parliament and the rule of law" is a conservative value. It most certainly is not. Social-democracy, for example, also respects Parliament and the rule of law, conservatives do not have ownership of these values.
Try to come up with specific conservative values which you believe that the Labour Party should now embrace.
That’s because the Tory party abandoned conservatism for ethnic nationalism back in 2016 with the Brexit vote
So now that Starmer backs brexit does that mean he is also supporting "ethnic nationalism"?
Wtf is ethnic nationalism btw? Is Britian no longer a multi-ethnic society because of brexit?