He'll announce it will continue to Manchester, then **** up the finances so badly in the hope Starmer is the one who has to cancel it after the next election....
I was reffering to Thatcher. I do not remember Thatcher taking money of business for favours, taking money for access, I hated her for what she did and did deliberatly. But it was all a part of an ideaology and a plan unlike the tories now where the only plan is personal enrichment
ON the Heath government the link you posted agreed with me. The government did not collapse. Heath called an election. as you now seem to accept. The two are very different things. #for a government to collapse it needs to lose a VOC. Heath did not
Back to Rishi, who is allegedly our present PM….
He’s cancelled a scheduled interview with Channel 4 News today. Jeremy Hunt also cancelled his scheduled interview with Channel 4 News yesterday
Its as if they’re scared to face any proper questioning about these latest Mickey Mouse policies and scrapping HS2
GB News only for this lot, who have sent the nicotine-stained man-frog to the Tory conference as their correspondent. He was getting very excited about Liz Trusses junket yesterday, heaping praise on her delusional lunacy. Maybe he missed the bit where she nearly bankrupted the country last year? To be fair, if you’d have been on holiday for a couple of weeks you’d have missed her whole stint as PM
Its as if they’re scared to face any proper questioning about these latest Mickey Mouse policies and scrapping HS2
Because they're doing this 'policy depending on public reaction' thing.
I genuinely think they are going to keep going this week and once he is safely back in London then make an announcement.
Incompetent or corrupt, they're the only two 'excuses' available.
The HS2 thing is now utterly farcical. Everyone and their dog knows that he's going to cancel it as the decision was made weeks ago and leaked. Yet Tory ministers and Rishi himself are still trotting out the ludicrous 'no decision has been made' line, because he doesn't want to announce it while stood in a former station in Manchester
Listening to Radio 4 this morning it seems that Rishi has finally managed to unite everyone. The problem is that he's united everyone in the opinion that scrapping the Manchester leg of HS2 is mind-bendingly stupid
Isn't it Cruella's conference speech/leadership bid today? Where she launches her latest initiative to fire immigrants into the sun after storing them in disused coal mines
her latest initiative to fire immigrants into the sun after storing them in disused coal mines
A significant portion of the electorate would vote for that, especially if she hangs them as well.
I was reffering to Thatcher. I do not remember Thatcher taking money of business for favours, taking money for access, I hated her for what she did and did deliberatly. But it was all a part of an ideaology and a plan unlike the tories now where the only plan is personal enrichment
ON the Heath government the link you posted agreed with me. The government did not collapse. Heath called an election. as you now seem to accept. The two are very different things. #for a government to collapse it needs to lose a VOC. Heath did not
You said that if Thatcher was alive she would be on the left of today's Tory Party, an utterly ridiculous claim.
This place is getting weirder by the day. Isolated in a political echo chamber facts are simply being changed, unchallenged, to conveniently suit the preferred narrative of a vocal minority, and as a consequence is becoming more and more extreme, and weirder.
I used to believe that STW provided a reasonable insight into middle-class mindset, and undoubtedly it did. But I have recently realised that it no longer does, certainly not in respect of politics, and it has become a weird unbalanced caricature of middle-class political attitudes.
The last thing I can recall Mefty (the last Tory supporter on STW) posting on STW was, "what a bunch of weirdos". Me and him might be politically poles apart but he often brought some reality into the debate.
Still, I guess that a politically cleansed echo chamber satisfies a need to those who desperately need validation, even if it isn't healthy nor advances political debate.
The Tory Prime Minister who was "more left-wing" that Rishi Sunak, and "less corrupt" than him :
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/fury-files-mark-thatchers-corrupt-8460468
We may never learn the truth about “corrupt” deals involving Margaret Thatcher and her son Mark after another “establishment cover-up”.
Sorry, "Reverse Arch"... link shows the Answer patent for it... presumably that was passed on to Hayes when they bought Manitou.
[ EDIT: sorry, wrong thread... probably as relevant as whatever this chat about Thatcher and Heath is all about ]
Post Conference fun for Priti, a quick dance-off with Farage....
https://twitter.com/Beany_1/status/1709091905265414460?t=atmw6XfHADQI6bQrlgiYuQ&s=19
Ernie - I did say " Remember" and I had forgotten Mark so Ill give you that
Most of the debate between us on this is about semantics and viewpoint. Lets drop it before we pee the rest of STW off further?
Post Conference fun for Priti, a quick dance-off with Farage….
Satirists are out of a job.
There was a few seconds there where I was wondering how good deep fake videos had become.
Just in case anyone out there is still not convinced that the Conservative Party is now UKIP
A Tory MP just said on Radio 4 that if Nigel Farage could stand for election as leader of the Tory party, he'd win it easily.
The pair of journo's on both agreed with him
And also had principles and an ideaology and was not corrupt. She would be on the left of the current tory party.
Come off it. Thatcher got Oman to give her son a construction project - she must have given Oman something in exchange and at our expense.
Thatcher was on the hard right. There were "wets" like Heseltine in her cabinets but she hated them, and preferred swivel-eyed loons like Peter Lilley, John Redwood, Nicholas Ridley, Norman Tebbit...
Thatcher may have been smarter and less reactive than the current lot, but she was definitely more reactionary.
In an interview with BBC Breakfast this morning, Sunak said he did not want to be “rushed” into a decision. Asked about HS2, he replied:
I know you want to keep asking, I know there’s lots of speculation, but all I can say is I’m not going to be forced into a premature decision because it’s good for someone’s TV programme. What I want to do is make the right decision for the country.
does he really think we are that stupid?
Yes is the answer.
What's the betting that one of his donors has the contract for that part of the build and if he cancels it before a certain date they don't get paid? Once that date passes and it triggers a cancellation fee, most likely in the multiple millions, then he will confirm it with some half-assed excuse about why he couldn't make the decision earlier.
Sunak was invited to say something about himself that people might not know but that might help people relate to him. Sunak could have talked about his dog, or playing cricket, but instead he assumed it was a question about being rich, and claimed that did not matter. He replied:
I think what people want from their prime ministers and their leaders is to do things that are going to make a difference to their lives.
I don’t think people are as interested in how much money is in my bank account. They’re interested in what I’m doing for them.
how can you be prime minister no be able to handle such a soft soap question ? And again putting his name to stopping 20 mph. It'll take one grieving mother and he's going to be facing "What have you got to say to Doris Smith about her daughter?". the HS2 fiasco ! Politically naive doesn't even come close .
He's really just a very limited politician, he's not good at anything.
Sure he lacks the obvious vices of Johnson or the vainglorious idiocy of Truss, but in the end he's just not very good.
Sunak is what you end up with when you've already scooped out the festering poison at the bottom of the barrel and all have left is a layer of dead wood.
Is the indecision ( or more correctly refusing to state that the decision is made) more damaging than an actual cancellation?
How can you be prime minister no be able to handle such a soft soap question ?
A lot of the Tory MPs who supported him in his leadership are apparently pretty staggered at just how bad he is at this politics thing. He has a bunker mentality though. He squats in number ten, with the odd helicopter trip for a photoshoot, consults absolutely nobody and government policy is therefore now just Rishi's personal opinion on things.
With the HS2 leaks, which may or may not have been leaked by himself, he lost control of the conference narritive 2 weeks before it even started. He's an idiot!
He’s an idiot!
One senior (pro-Sunak) Tory actually said that the guy had no idea of how to do politics. It's not the first time he's announced something and then had to backpedal or obfuscate to just avoid answering the question.
All he could do now to make things worse is to say that HS2 will be converted into a motorway. MOAR CARS!! FREEDOM!
****.
What’s the betting that one of his donors has the contract for that part of the build and if he cancels it before a certain date they don’t get paid?
Not how any of this works. (Also, he's not organised enough to pull it off).
jeez its grim
https://twitter.com/NicholasPegg/status/1709101246882132069?t=5Xufy6xn21lIk7I5U-j7bA&s=19
In an interview with BBC Breakfast this morning, Sunak said he did not want to be “rushed” into a decision. Asked about HS2, he replied:
I know you want to keep asking, I know there’s lots of speculation, but all I can say is I’m not going to be forced into a premature decision because it’s good for someone’s TV programme. What I want to do is make the right decision for the country.
We all know the decision is made of course but what imaginary new info is he supposedly waiting for media he can make his decision? Did he say?
He has top secret info that Dyson has just invented flying trains so no need for train tracks or something? Actually, he could spin that. Rebrand planes and just call them trains. They even rhyme. Job done.
jeez its grim
The one building that everyone is wishing was made of crumbly concrete...
We all know the decision is made
Says who? Nothing else is organised and certain with this governmemt. They all know they're going to lose the next election, so why do they have to worry about the consequences of writing a megacheque on HS2? Or not? Who cares? Pass me another champers, Prittster, we're off to snog Mad Nads in the hotel bar!
They all know they’re going to lose the next election
Everyone except Rishi, it would appear. He just can't admit that to himself. His own inexplicably overinflated idea of his own abilities won't allow him to admit that he's just a bit crap. In his own head. people will see his genius and he'll then win a general election
He's as delusional and lacking in self-awareness as Truss.
They drink, dance and sing while the country fails....
His own inexplicably overinflated idea of his own abilities won’t allow him to admit that he’s just a bit crap. In his own head. people will see his genius and he’ll then win a general election
He seems perpetually bewildered that his "PowerPoint presentation" and "talking slowly and patronisingly to everyone" style isn't actually cutting the mustard.
He just wants to be back in Big Finance lecturing the new starters on how brilliant he is and have them lap it all up.
He just wants to be back in Big Finance lecturing the new starters on how brilliant he is with FIL's money and have them lap it all up.
LMFTFY 😉
There’s a theory that as soon as he’s lost the next election he’ll stand down as an MP and be off to a fintech job in California.
Or 'doing a Clegg' as its officially known
I think he'll be gone before they've even got the exit polls in
Sunak on the news saying there's lots of speculation about HS2. Wonder why that is?
He genuinely seems to be wondering why its anyone else's business what he does with his train set
****ing chaos ! Hunt "No “formal decision” has yet been taken on HS2" so if he's announces it during his speech (which seems to be the expectation :/ ) tomorrow "It was an epiphany in the car on the way back to his hotel" ?
now they are attack Labour for their own ideas that that sound "labourish" ?
They've come up with a whole range of policies which don't exist (like "taxing meat") and then claim they're abolishing them because they're too woke or too Labour-ish or something.
It's like Johnson's columns in the Spectator where he talked utter bollocks about Eurocrats and Brussels restrictions on our Good Old British Values - none of it was true but it lead, slowly and inexorably, to Brexit.
What a missed opportunity to substitute the Labrador with a foaming at the mouth rabid XLBully that's angry that his cancellation was announced even before HS2
They’ve come up with a whole range of policies which don’t exist (like “taxing meat”) and then claim they’re abolishing them because they’re too woke or too Labour-ish or something.
Are they taking aim at vegetarians now? Is that a sign of being too woke?
It’s like Johnson’s columns in the Spectator where he talked utter bollocks about Eurocrats and Brussels restrictions on our Good Old British Values – none of it was true but it lead, slowly and inexorably, to Brexit.
Theresa Coffey yesterday said that they will now get rid of the EU rules on bendy bananas. I am not making this up. Though clearly they are
https://twitter.com/telegraph/status/1708995684769173690?s=46&t=1lK7Dw1b6RqGJyvufO-trQ
They are now proposing to abolish some bullshit that their former leader made up when he was a journalist
Jeez...
As if we didn't already know, the 'bendy banana' rules are as follows:
The regulation applies to unripened green bananas and thus to growers and wholesalers, rather than retailers.[3] The main provisions of the regulation were that bananas sold as unripened, and green bananas, should be green and unripened, firm and intact, fit for human consumption, not "affected by rotting", clean, free of pests and damage from pests, free from deformation or abnormal curvature, free from bruising, free of any foreign smell or taste
Given that the normal curavture of a banana is, well, curved... they are just outright lying or they have never even read the legislation they are proposing to scap.
Apparently he’s also decided that he’d let Farage back into the Tory party.
It’s almost like he’s trying to lose votes now.
What a missed opportunity to substitute the Labrador
I assume he was disappointed when he was told that guide dogs were to help blind people and not those without a clue what to do with their party?
Cant believe Farage has turned him down though. Thought he would quite like the idea of becoming a mp in opposition. Means he could keep doing sod all aside from whining and cashing the paychecks.
It’s almost like he’s trying to lose votes now.
Or win a very specific vote?
It looks like they're confirming exactly what everyone's said they're doing.... they know the next election is lost, so they're trying to shore up their core vote of elderly racists so that a defeat doesn't turn into an absolute electoral bloodbath.
As it stands at the moment, it looks like half the cabinet and even Sunak himself could lose their seats
"There’s a theory that as soon as he’s lost the next election he’ll stand down as an MP and be off to a fintech job in California."
That's why he donated +$1m to the college in the US, to keep his Green Card 'warm'.
What a missed opportunity to substitute the Labrador with a foaming at the mouth rabid XLBully that’s angry that his cancellation was announced even before HS2
That's just Rishi moonlighting as a PIP assessor. The poor sod that needs that guide dog is now sanctioned as they "can't be that ill as they can take a dog for a walk."
Surely there must be some lefty revolutionary nutters out there willing to do a red army faction job on her?
Happily the answer seems to be no there isnt. Since that really isnt how anyone sane would want politics to work here.
Even if she can get in the sea for her belief that anyone who doesnt agree with her toxic politics and destruction of the country is somehow unpatriotic.
A heckler who (very quietly) called Bravermans speech ‘a homophobic rant’ was marched out by the police. It wasn’t some mad lefty who’d somehow infiltrated the ring of steel, but the Tory chair of the London Assembly, Andrew Boff
Since when was it the job of the police to remove hecklers? And isn’t the Tory party the champion of free speech?
Bloody snowflakes!
https://twitter.com/pgmcnamara/status/1709218901312073895?s=46&t=1lK7Dw1b6RqGJyvufO-trQ
That wasn't heckling!! It was, 'talking at the same time as the speaker'.
Unless you were right next to him you wouldn't have heard it!
I know. Its absolutely bloody insane. He barely whispered it and they were on him like a pack of dogs
The filmer seemed to be in the right spot to catch his heck-mumble. Almost like it was a pre-arranged thing.
I imagine security spotted this and were primed to go. Probably a bit disappointed that he barely got his words out and didn't put up a fight. He even took an aisle seat to make it convenient for them.
well Bravermans speech was absolutely terrifying
The right looks set on descending into a trumpian shitpit, worryingly many will go along with them.
Politicians do get murdered in this country, and get vile threats daily, and while I despise Braverman, I think your comments are pretty disgusting.
Since when was it the job of the police to remove hecklers?
Labour can't exactly criticise, to be fair, iirc. Power corrupts.
Anyone listen to PM on R4? Just before the handover to the 6pm news, Evan Davis had a James Naightie/Jeremy Hunt moment calling the PM Rishi Coonak!
Apparently London to Manchester on the HS2 will now be 15 minutes slower than the existing service. Can't imagine that there is any extra capacity on the West Coast line to slot in HS2 trains once they reach Birmingham, so I guess they'll have to get rid of current services. 90bn well spent, I'm sure you'll agree.
Breaking news on BBC that he's definitely scrapping HS2 tomorrow. Quelle surprise.
Yep, Beeb officially reporting it as scrappage...
Massive own goal.
^^ Exquisite in its own f***** up way.
So is he still a ****?
It’s like the perfect, all-encompassing, full-spectrum * up!
The clueless bastard is going to stand up tomorrow, in a former railway station in Manchester, and with his big stupid fixed grin and horrible patronising tone, administer the coup de Grace to this *ing shambles of a government
what are the criteria to be considered a failing state?
And again I ask - at what point do the backbenches decide enough of this total cluster is enough and it’s VONC time?
what are the criteria to be considered a failing state?
Does this count?
https://twitter.com/Conservatives/status/1709207218027934071?t=qVutep_ikiD714VBif7t6A&s=19
Shockingly, it is real.
I clicked through, and ended up in a horrific pit of right wing, bigoted bilge.
Not a random gammons account, but the official twitter account of our governing party.
I'm truly sickened.
The most base definition of woke is not being a ****
The Tories are failing miserably at this.
It's not a high benchmark
The clueless bastard is going to stand up tomorrow, in a former railway station in Manchester, and with his big stupid fixed grin and horrible patronising tone, administer the coup de Grace to this ****ing shambles of a government
Please let it be so, it'll be amazing to watch him do it and think he's doing the right thing. It's the pain we have to go through to get this lot out.
they be on about critical race theory soon and having criteria on what books can be taught in the classroom which will classify the bible as verboten. Where I have I seen that before 😕
Labour can’t exactly criticise, to be fair, iirc. Power corrupts
It's this level of acceptance I find scary. Don't do it because it's not on; not do it because the other lot did it.
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Shockingly, it is real.
I still can't believe that's real.
Holy hell.
Jesus, how can any sane human not see what this pack of ****s have become? Just the alt truth spiral of shite would be bad enough without the vandalism and larceny they're hiding behind it. I really hope there's an answer to this shit or we are all seriously ****ed.
The filmer seemed to be in the right spot to catch his heck-mumble. Almost like it was a pre-arranged thing.
I imagine security spotted this and were primed to go. Probably a bit disappointed that he barely got his words out and didn’t put up a fight. He even took an aisle seat to make it convenient for them.
A party conference in this country is supposed to be a spirited exchange of ideas. It is not supposed to be a police-administered Juche-style rally for idiots. The guy was mumbling in disagreement. He was not - a weedy middle aged man* sitting dozens of metres from Braverman, having been through several layers of security - a threat to the speaker. It's madness that he was physically grabbed and escorted out.
* I say this with great affection and as a weedy middle aged man myself.
And again I ask – at what point do the backbenches decide enough of this total cluster is enough and it’s VONC time?
Backbenchers on MP salary (£87k) with the very generous allowances/expences and the golden pension that comes with it?
My guess would be when hell freezes over...read the room, for both Labour and Conservative MP's lol!
It's one of the reasons that I disagree with 3 line whips, every vote in parliament should be a free vote.
If as an MP you don't vote the way the party leader wants then you're either in the wrong political party, or the leader needs taking down.
Defy the whip and you're out of a job, it's tantamount to blackmail, if you ask me, and in the highest offices in the land.
It's pure abuse of process... even corbyn 3 line whipped labour MPS into voting in favour of envoking article 52, it's just not fit for purpose.
“There’s a theory that as soon as he’s lost the next election he’ll stand down as an MP and be off to a fintech job in California.”
That’s why he donated +$1m to the college in the US, to keep his Green Card ‘warm’.
This is just bullshit. Not because it's too cynical, but simply because US permanent residents (green card holders) are taxed on worldwide income, and because spouses of billionairesses never have difficulty immigrating anywhere.
Defy the whip and you’re out of a job, it’s tantamount to blackmail, if you ask me
The reality is that 99% of voters vote on the basis of party affiliation. Why should MPs be entitled to ignore that?