squeaky bum time for Kahn
https://twitter.com/kiranstacey/status/1786397038613008852
switching to fptp could really have affected things (taking ernies voting as an example)
when is result expected ^
Mind you, if he does win a third term, especially in such an utterly shameful context of absolutely brutal online Islamophobia it's pretty impressive.
Has any mayor won 3 terms in London, I don't think they have?
I'm also seeing a lot of pseudo MAGA type chatter that khan somehow rigged the vote via the postal vote etc which is basically just preparing the ground for a Hall defeat.
I've learnt a lot about her over the last few days from people reposting her past comments and tweets etc. She's a really nasty piece of work.
I can understand that many aren't kean on ULEZ but wow, she really isn't fit to be mayor.
theotherjonv
Full Member
when is result expected ^
Tomorrow I think?
One thing's for sure, the runup to the GE is going to be absolutely brutal with the Tories throwing as much shit as they can to avoid total oblivion, at any cost.
I'll be staying away from social media that's for sure. I don't know how khan puts up with the sheer quantity of abuse and death threats he gets online. It's hell digitised.
The only thing that gave me hope online is that any pro Tory propaganda/lies/smears get jumped on immediately by hundreds of people pointing out the lies and hypocrisy.
Yep, tanks on Sunak's lawn!
Never understood the grief Khan gets - he's just a mayor not the government. Buck stops with them.
Apparently Sunak believes 'voters will stick with us" at the general election. Well some of the fruit loops and headbangers might (a good chunk are off to reform) but I think it's pretty clear no one else will. I don't know how he can say things like that with straight face.
I think a couple of hundred deluded, misinformed voters, will stick with Sunak - but not enough to keep their deposit.
It would be a remarkable upset if Khan lost in London (and very bad news). It is already remarkable how many people outside London are supposedly upset about ULEZ and crime in London, despite Londoners being much more concerned with affordable housing.
It doesn't help that the Tory candidate is an extremist. Goldsmith, Bailey and Johnson were totally unsuitable - but Hall is deranged and holds views that the Tories have never espoused before.
Never understood the grief Khan gets – he’s just a mayor not the government. Buck stops with them.
London Mayor has a large budget and a lot more power than the average mayor. It runs much of mass transit, city planning, policing and roads. Greater London Authority is probably closer to the Welsh Parliament than just a town council. Although I support it, ULEZ has caused some people to sell their cars (including me!), and crime is a genuine problem. Those aren't totally divorced from UK central govt, but I can see why some people in London would criticise him...
...but that's not the motivation of many of the non-Londoners online criticising Khan...
Caher
Full Member
Never understood the grief Khan gets – he’s just a mayor not the government. Buck stops with them.
It's pretty clear online, there is some genuine anger over ULEZ but it's well and truly tangled up with him being Islamic. The Tories are happy to stir that particular pot too.
Khan personal approval ratings are not good, and yet London has the biggest concentration of Labour support anywhere in the UK.
The last London mayoral was much closer than it should have been. Shaun Bailey was a shite candidate, at least as bad as Susan Hall imo, and yet Khan only beat him by less than five percent in the first round.
Obviously I can't be sure but I am fairly confident that he has won. I would have voted for him if the last pre-election poll had only given him just a single digit lead, but even allowing for shy Tories his lead was comfortable - not allowing for shy Tories his lead was huge.
Whether he wins by ten votes or a hundred thousand makes no difference to his powers as London mayor but hopefully a narrow win will dissuade him from standing again, or maybe give an independent with a radical platform the encouragement to stand.
For the record I voted Green at the last mayoral election with Khan as my second choice. I wish that I had been given the same opportunity again. Although I would much rather not have directly elected mayors.
As a not particularly politically educated Londoner, Khan feels pretty invisible to me. Sure, we know why Boris was the sociopathic opposite, but I’d struggle to names something Khan has done succesfully amongst all the negative news.
https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1786417836862099640?t=tnovXeXNjgPpmWQ8Z7UPtg&s=19
Just about a majority - territory (in fact some reports saying not quite majority.)
but it’s well and truly tangled up with him being Islamic.
IMO that is probably more likely to win him votes than to lose him votes.
I doubt that the overwhelming majority of Londoners, 41% of whom were born outside the UK, give a monkeys what religion he is.
On the other hand there is little doubt that some of the Muslim community, who make up 15% of Londoners, don't like Khan but vote for him nevertheless because he is considered a brother and will always represent them better than a Tory.
Goldsmith tried the "don't vote for him he's a Muslim" and it spectacularly backfired.
John Curtice has just unveiled BBC's projected national vote share: Labour lead 9 points, same as last year
Just about a majority – territory
What's the point of comparing apples with oranges?
Excellent point Ernie. There's a big difference between council and general elections.
swing at parliamentary by-elections are historically a much better predictor band thet are in hefty majority territory
They seem to be calling the East Mids mayor for Labour, which is quite an achievement considering I don’t think I knew her name before I put an X next to it.
Labour were confident quite early on when they saw the various piles of ballot papers.
I've been working on one of the counts and there was a very significant Labour majority even early on. Her pile of papers was 3x the size of anyone else's even before official counting had begun.
Good result. 💥
Not good at all if Hall wins, she's utterly vile.
However, her unique lack of humanity and intelligence, will be ever more visible if she does win. Probably not going to be a good look for the Tories heading into a GE with her spewing bile over the airwaves.
All the chatter on Susan Hall is a bit premature, as they've not even started counting, let alone splitting out the various electoral races. Just social media filling a void of actual news...but I really hope she's nowhere near, or not near enough for a scare at least...
My council, Dudley, is going to be tight 😫
It's nice of you to let Dudley know, via STW, I'm sure he'll appreciate it.
But where is your council.
Sorry - feeling a bit giddy as the Tories have taken another shellacking.
🙂
There’s a reply I could type that refers to Tories and ****ing Dudley that’d get me the ban hammer
I’d struggle to names something Khan has done succesfully amongst all the negative news
Free school meals for all primary school kids + keeping TfL afloat despite central government sabotage after Covid + bus hopper fares + ULEZ expansion + firing Cressida Dick are all positives I (genuinely) remembered offhand. "Not being totally nuts" is an achievement by comparison to his rivals, I suppose, but that speaks to their poor qualities.
You can see his list of what he says he's done here: https://sadiq.london/manifesto/sadiqs-top-20-achievements/
Apparently Sunak believes ‘voters will stick with us” at the general election
Just watching him announcing that on the news, surrounded by a crowd of Tory sock-puppets with faces like smacked arses! Rishi looks like a delusional half-wit when it’s so obvious that even the party faithful around him know they’re all absolutely ****ed with that muppet at the helm.
I see he tried his hard man routine again, being photographed in front of tanks with rufty tufty men in uniform
His Napoleon complex really is getting worse by the day, isn’t it?
Apparently Sunak believes ‘voters will stick with us” at the general election
Amused at the images of Ben Houchin and Rishi, Ben with a face like a smacked arse. Can see him thinking "I won this beacuse of my hard work and local reputation, inspite of you, so don't come here taking credit. Go on F.O. back to Yorkshire. Oh, yeah, you're not welcome there either"
top rated comment in the daily fail story of the tories being drubbed....
Electoral reform is desperately needed. Both the main parties are no different from one another. As long as only they get the lions share of the parliamentary seats, they’re happy. Neither care what the great unwashed actually want or care about. And, choosing not to vote for them has little effect
seems the locals are getting nervous, don't think they'd be singing the same song if lil rishi was on track for 200+ majority
Tories are going to be hammered big time in the GE if the current situation is a true reflection of things to come, which I am not surprised.
If Labour wants to remain in power, assuming they win the next GE, they should really think before they speak in regard to their foreign policy related to Ukraine and Gaza. Unlike the past, this time it will bite hard.
PM Rishi Sunak has no chance whatsoever to turn things around. No chance. It is a matter of how heavy they will be hammered in the next GE.
It's a mess online, lots of Tories going full on MAGA and getting ready for a whole Stop the Steal thing over postal votes for Khan.
It's actually bloody fantastic. They are also blaming Reform... and Reform voters are blaming them (and immigrants obvs) and sane people are just looking on in wonder.
Klunk
Free Member
I think the tory party are just holding out in *vain hope reform can be bought off to at least not fielding candidates in key tory marginals.
Interestingly the Reform mayoral candidate out right said he would have considered not running if the Tories had contacted him back after he contacted them. It was on BBC News channel.
It's still possible unfortunately. I would not be shocked if Reform did strike a deal.
They are also blaming Reform… and Reform voters are blaming them (and immigrants obvs) and sane people are just looking on in wonder.
Reform will win loads of votes if they know how to handle the two important foreign policy issues but I doubt they can win anything significant.
If you follow Stephen Bush he's making some interesting points about the London mayor election based on the possibility of it being closer than expected. Had the Tories fielded a sane/non repellent candidate etc etc. Of course, they don't seem to have those any more, but you get the gist.
Obviously this is gonna age like split milk
I still think a Tory/reform deal is underpriced. I'm sure tice said no, and that they were intending to smash the Tories and rebuild them in their own image or something, but the poor chap hasn't been shown the kompromat yet.