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Tice owns a fair bit of it...
Weird double post.
Anderson was right about one thing, people in the 'real world' are sick of being told by politicians that everything is too difficult or too expensive to deliver. When the mainstream parties spend all their time making excuses for not doing the stuff voters want, the likes of Anderson will always be there to tell them that's because we're allowing too many foreigners to come in. How the hell have we got into a position where the Labour party are frightened to campaign for and fund a functioning health service and dental care and the likes of Reform are the only ones talking about it?
Reform are the only ones talking about it?
Bollocks.
It has to be said that everyone on TV, radio or the net that say they are voting Reform all have very similar reasons and none of them are anything other than vague notions of "things have gone too far", "we want our country back" etc etc.
They (the party) only mention non immigration issues for pretense, I doubt 99% of their supporters are even aware they have any other policies.
The news conference today tells you everything you need to know about Reforms policies. "Something, something extremism, take back control (again), islam, something something extremism..."
Bollocks.
Is your eloquent critique of Daz's comment based on the fact that like the Tories and Labour Reform UK also isn't talking about increased funding for the NHS?
If so I wholeheartedly agree. All three parties agreed on one thing concerning the crises facing the NHS. They all claim that the NHS doesn't need more funding it just needs to "reform", yet again.
It turns out that apparently 40 years of relentless restructuring and reforms hasn't been enough and the NHS still needs to do much more restructuring and reforms. According to the Labour, the Tories, and Reform UK.
Hang on a minute.... don't Reform UK openly want to privatise the NHS?
Given that they're not even a political party, but a business entirely owned by a certain Mr N Farage, with very opaque funding, that's somewhat unsurprising
It has to be said that everyone on TV, radio or the net that say they are voting Reform all have very similar reasons and none of them are anything other than vague notions of “things have gone too far”, “we want our country back” etc etc.
While reading that, I was hearing this... on Radio4...
"thousands and thousands of people from countries what are not at war... time we did something for the people of this country"
Anyway, Reform's policy on NHS is the normal clearing the slate for a small state stuff... no income tax for NHS workers not in top tax band (boo... taxes bad).... spend billions more on operations in the private sector paid for by delaying bond buy backs (don't call it borrowing...) nothing progressive, radical, interesting, or about securing the future of the NHS... I don't want to miss-quote John Major too often but... "The NHS is as safe with his this lot as a pet hamster would be with a hungry python". They'll tag a "save the NHS" badge on their campaign... again... but if you fall for them... again... [ I agree millions probably will ]
Hang on a minute…. don’t Reform UK openly want to privatise the NHS?
And Labour wants to hold the door open:
https://www.thenational.scot/news/23932636.wes-streeting-wants-nhs-wide-open-private-sector/
“Why is it for example that where a treatment or technology is proven to work, proven to deliver better outcomes for patients and proven to deliver good value for taxpayers’ money in one NHS trust, do those innovators then have to try and tout their wares one by one around every other NHS trust?”
Sounds like changing NHS procurement for tech and treatment to be closer to how how it purchases drugs. Seeing how the disparity between NHS trusts for tech for treating diabetes can directly effect people's lives... and the prices those trusts pay for that tech... Streeting may well have a point. The NHS has the purchasing power to reduce costs when buying tech, and should be able to remove the post code lottery when it comes to rolling it out... given the direction to do so. What's the point of a national health service that doesn't make use of its scale and national reach?
Bollocks
Nope. In between the NF impersonations Anderson was talking today about how normal people can't get a GP or dentist appointment and how no one in parliament in either of the two main parties seems to be too bothered about that, let alone intending to do anything about it. He's absolutely right. Of course his solution of getting rid of all the foreigners is total bollocks but without the former he wouldn't get a hearing on the latter. Lee Anderson and his ilk are the direct result of the abject failure and cowardice of mainstream centrist politicians and the media soap opera that surrounds them.
Yes, we heard all that from the same people in 2016... pointing at problems is easy. Pretending that all the other parties... even Sunak's... aren't also talking about the NHS is nonsense though. They all have plans for more spending, to differing degrees. Letting Tice and co claim the NHS as something "only they are talking about" is an odd move. And bollocks. Worse than that, the bait and switch is obvious. Again. They'd dismantle it if they ever actually got into power. There's not one key person in that "party" that hasn't expressed the wish to do away with the NHS in the recent past.
I’d forgotten ‘ol 30p had led calls for MP’s who change parties to face a by-election… The man is the definition of integrity 🤣
Not forgetting of course that he started out in Labour!
Former coal miner (in fact a member of Arthur Scargill's National Union of Mineworkers) and he was a Labour councillor before he got suspended for what I'll politely put as actions against the travelling community.
Off he trots to Conservatives where e campaigned for Brexit (of course), got caught saying various anti-semitic and sexist things and his views got progressively worse over time.
And now he's found his natural home in Reform.
dazhFull Member
Nope. In between the NF impersonations Anderson was talking today about how normal people can’t get a GP or dentist appointment and how no one in parliament in either of the two main parties seems to be too bothered about that, let alone intending to do anything about it. He’s absolutely right.
Sorry, I know this wasn't a reply to me.
Anderson was just trying to make capital from the woes of the NHS, something he has been more than happy to assist in dismantling whilst in government. He has no genuine interest in any gripes (they aren't policies) he might give lip service to, except one of course. The mention of GP services etc is just about him linking any real or perceived grievances to immigration. It's no more complex than that and it's a playbook at least as old as Brexit. He/Reform have no policies that merit even the slightest analysis. Hell, I don't even mind that massively (he's a politician doing politicking), I just mind that it's used as a poor smoke screen for the truly nasty stuff they would like to inflict on some minorities in this country.
To state the obvious they don't even need a smoke screen for themselves, they propogate it so their voters can do the whole, "I'm not racist but..."
Everything reform is, is just shit smeared wrapping paper gaffer taped around a massive brick of racism and grifting off the back of said racism.
where do extra NHS workers come from?
The workshy lazy yoof of today of course!
They'll be given a spot of National Service first - the gammons love any mention of National Service - and that'll teach them some discipline. Then they'll be fit and healthy to work in those 40 new hospitals.
Common sense innit. Just like Lee.
Point of order
Streeting is paid by private healthcare companies. He does not have the interests of the NHS or patients in mind. He is only interested in whats in it for him
The Times reporting Johnson is going to campaign in the red wall with Sunak at the GE!🙃😁
"We're going to need a bigger fridge."😂
Tory donor in racism/ misogamy shocker plus a little added murder.
A major Tory donor has apologised after reportedly saying MP Diane Abbott made him "want to hate all black women" and that she "should be shot".
You'll be glad to know the comment was in no relation to her gender or colour. Which leaves me a little confused by the above comments which mention her gender and colour. Plus a bit of murder.
Luckily he dug himself out of a hole by saying:
The newspaper reported that he went on to say: "It's like trying not to be racist but you see Diane Abbott on the TV, and you're just like I hate, you just want to hate all black women because she's there, and I don't hate all black women at all, but I think she should be shot.
Then send on to further dig himself out of a hole with:
"[The executive] and Diane Abbott need to be shot."
Phew, lucky save.
He's a Biggie too. No, not in that way I suspect, but as a donor. Circa £10 million last year. Even by Tory standards, that's a big old bung.
Motive? Not a clue?
Mr Hester is the founder and chief executive of TPP, a Leeds-based company that specialises in providing healthcare technology.
Oh, he's funded at least one, yes, just one of Sunak's helibob flights to the tune of £16k.
Yep, nothing to see here.
Luckily the Tories are tightening up the laws on extremism just in time. 🙃
Now, in a statement he's made he adds a little nuisance,or rather he thinks it does. I'll paraphrase: "I was just being rude, not in the slightest bit racist? Why? I came from Ireland as a child therefore I simply can't be a middle aged, white, male, ultra rich racist. Anyway, this doesn't mean I actually said what I am apologising for saying. Ok?
Righto then.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68539981
It’s come as something of a shock that, as donors to the Tory party are normally the nicest people with the purest of intentions
Anyway… we know know Lil Rishi has reached the true depths of desperation if he thinks bringing back the sex yeti is the answer. I’ve no idea why we’ve been singled out in the north to be blessed with his presence.
Still not sure how you can have donors to political parties. If you want to donate to the countries government workings then it should just go into a pot that is shared equally with any party that wants to stand.
Paying money directly to a party is nothing other than corruption. In this case paying back for the £400MM in contracts from government and securing more future contracts no doubt.
And wanting to kill all black people was taken out of context so give him a break.
Reform are basically the Gammon protest vote.
And wanting to kill all black people was taken out of context so give him a break.
Come on Kerley, I know you are a reasonable guy from your posts on here, are you honestly going to defend what he said based on "lack of context"? Note that he hasn't denied saying it, only that it was simply "rude". It appears Abbott who is a bit of a hate figure for the far right thinks that's not a great descriptor either. I suspect she is better qualified to spot a bit of overt racism then either of us.
The newspaper reported that he went on to say: "It's like trying not to be racist but you see Diane Abbott on the TV, and you're just like I hate, you just want to hate all black women because she's there, and I don't hate all black women at all, but I think she should be shot.
Ok, he tried not to be racist, is that really a win? He tried to discard a completely flawed and arbitrary world view but just couldn't help himself?
I mean, yes, under full Oxford Dictionary Pedant rules , yes, he wasn't going to shoot her in all likelihood but he definitely thought about hating all black women because she is a black women with views that upset him? Ok, he didn't don his KKK Halloween outfit in the boardroom and slap his Glock on the table but how much context is more than enough to know he's a little bit more than "rude"?
Come on, would you express that opinion at work or anywhere else in regard to a black women's opinion you disagreed with?
Come on Kerley, I know you are a reasonable guy from your posts on here, are you honestly going to defend what he said based on “lack of context”?
I am pretty sure that Kerley's statement was made with a healthy dose of sarcasm.
Huffington Post this morning had a story about Johnson maybe looking to get back into politics via Henley, only for the current Tory candidate to categorically state she would not stand aside for him.
It would be a tone deaf move if Tory HQ booted her out to make way for Johnson, so maybe that is on the cards.
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Because the Govt set the NHS up this way.
Remember though, bringing stuff together for perfectly sensible operational & supply chain reasons is a bad thing, for some folk - look at the kicking the Scottish Govt gets from the right-wing for Police Scotland vs the old regions.
AA Gill said it best
Huffington Post this morning had a story about Johnson maybe looking to get back into politics via Henley, only for the current Tory candidate to categorically state she would not stand aside for him.
In the ever-more-fractious Tory party there are still plenty of MPs who are so detatched from reality that they equate the drop in the polls with the exit of the fly-tipped sofa. They're not so good at this whole 'cause and effect' thing and are genuinelly so stupid that they believe that if they just brought the oversexed honey monster back then he would instantly recreate the 2019 majority.
Borises vanity means that he can't help himself and in the fantasy world he lives in, no doubt egged on by the same Tory MP's blowing smoke up his arse, he's eying up his glorious return to vanquish Rishi and deliver another thumping great majority
Poor little Lee.
https://twitter.com/Otto_English/status/1767461408512377033?t=Nwn6QqXdnb-Sjl1xy1Zz8Q&s=19
Huffington Post this morning had a story about Johnson maybe looking to get back into politics via Henley, only for the current Tory candidate to categorically state she would not stand aside for him.
Mrs May's next door and pretty blue constituency (majority 18,846 on a 56,000 turnout) is up for grabs.
Poor little Lee.
He's been demoted from 'useful idiot' back down to simply 'idiot'
The Carlton Club doesn't sound much like the pubs and working mens clubs he's always banging on about talking to people in, does it? Its almost like he's making those stories up? He wouldn't, would he? Not Lee?
Its almost like he’s making those stories up? He wouldn’t, would he? Not Lee?
Remember this one? Out on the campaign trail and he got caught on a live mic phoning his mate before a staged visit. He's standard Tory - lying little shitbag full of disinformation and with racist / sexist views bubbling away just beneath a thin "man of the people" veneer which has now thoroughly worn off.
https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/kemi-badenoch-tory-leaders-poll-2918986
"Ms Mordaunt emerges as the most favoured among all voters to be leader, beating all her rivals in a head-to-head.
Among Labour voters, 63 per cent said they preferred Ms Mordaunt to Mr Sunak, while 65 per cent preferred her to Ms Badenoch."
It won't happen but that there ^ is the Tories best hope to avoid an electoral catastrophe.
Replace Sunak with Mordaunt, as soon as she becomes Prime Minister she promises a bright new dawn but before she can do anything says that she needs a mandate from the people, so calls a general election.
The Tories almost certainly wouldn't win the general election but it is unlikely to be quite as catastrophic for them as all other possible scenarios.
Although obviously the right-wing who are currently destroying the Tory Party won't let that happen.
This made me chuckle:
"Mr Farage, meanwhile, was only the preferred candidate among all voters when pitted against Ms Braverman."
Imagine being so unpopular with voters that you make Nigel Farage seem a better choice. And these people claim to know what most concerns British voters.
Reform are basically the Gammon protest vote.
Nice bit of STW snobbery there! Mate if you hadn't noticed the 'gammons' as you call them are what are driving British politics to the brink of fascism just like in America. That's because the entire political establishment and the mteropolitan middle class blithely dismiss their parochial concerns rather than dealing with simple grassroots issues like being able to get a GP appt or see a dentist. Yes, they don't like immigrants, and they struggle to communicate their concerns in ways that don't sound like a 1970s sitcom, but their concerns on non-immigration issues are still valid, and until our 'elite' politicians start doing something about them, then the racism side of the argument will continue to gain traction and the likes of Farage, Tice and Anderson will become more popular.
Gammons. Jesus wept!
theotherjonv
Mrs May’s next door and pretty blue constituency (majority 18,846 on a 56,000 turnout) is up for grabs.
These days, that's a marginal.
They've already written the narrative for the upcoming electoral defeat, haven't they Ernesto?...
"We weren't right wing enough"
I've just checked the odds and the bookies clearly think Badanoch is nailed on. She's 2/1, The sword carrier is 5/1 and Cruella is 6/1. Personally I think Penny Mordaunt hasn't got a cat in hells chance. Not with a Tory membership of hang'em'and'flog'em elderly bigots, unless she commits to using the big sword for public beheadings
I still think my bet on Cruella is still a potential winner. It was 9.5/1 when I put it on last June
So Sunak announces the need to build new gas power stations with only a few months of his government left.
Despite the net zero pledge the Tories themselves made.
Que "what will Labour do to ensure energy security" in HoC.