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I also heard Warsi on the radio last night, did she really not know the Party she belong to, or just conveniently chose not to?
I believe it's the latter.
"[Tory on @tjagain’s doorstep while canvassing]
“So we’ll put you down as a maybe, then”?"
After reading TJ's post (which I fully agree with) this proper made me chuckle!
I'm just putting this on here for a bit of a vent and some balance.
Was sat on the train this morning a few seats down from a Leeanderthal who started every sentence with "I'm not racist but..." Spent the 12 minutes of the journey wanting to come out with something pithy remark to shut him down and now regretting not having the balls to do so.
When we got off the train, the platform was full of kids who take the train to the next stop to get to a grammar school, the majority of whom are from non-white heritage.
There was a young white girl and a lad from a south Asian background having one of those awkward teenage "I really like you and you seem to really like me but we're both too nervous to make the first move" type conversations and it gave me a brief flicker of hope for the future.
I also heard Warsi on the radio last night, did she really not know the Party she belong to, or just conveniently chose not to?
The hard working, pull yourselves up by your bootstraps traditional Tory values may have an appeal to the generation of immigrants who did that and prospered, and the Tories have got a lot of minorities represented in the government, so I can see how they might appeal.
She has been campaigning against Islamaphobia for quite a while now, she must have had a rude awakening at some point.
A good article in this mornings Guardian. It looks like this is very much an orchestrated campaign of Islamapohbia by the Tory party in the run up to an election, with their GB News/Torygraph/Richard Littlejohn mates in their usual supporting role.
We now have a name for it
So in the least surprising news ever, 30p Lee is not ruling out joining Reform. Does he honestly think we are daft? It was clearly his plan all along.
He doesn't give a monkeys what party he supposedly represents, he's a grifter who's now got his guarenteed gig on GB News and other right wing media, so its all gravy.
Same as Truss. From the Lib Dems to standing on a platform with Steve Bannon voicing far right conspiracy theories. People go on about her 'poitical journey' but she hasn't had one. She's just another grifter looking more to her bank balance than any ideology, and the far right hate-speech gig pays very nicely. She'd stand there feeding kittens into a paper shredder if it paid well enough
Ker-ching!
Sadly in the North East (where I'm originally from) people like 30p Lee are the majority, not the minority.
"Thikkkk as **** n' proud of it" is the general motto. Education's for fannies did you know?
30p lee bounce
https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1762411416135356748?t=K-wlI6fzgT3XUEvUilxvbg&s=19
youd think after watching Labour implode over antisemitism that the Tories might have wondered whether they should get their own shit together
but no
https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1762231160279548320?t=Qob24wICNomkuc7nQ5SPew&s=19
https://twitter.com/LBC/status/1762389691494519184?t=oe-H-wKzg6Wuq94GM6LF2A&s=19
https://twitter.com/Haggis_UK/status/1762381781259403675?t=l-bSMiQbuhqzYCe0M0mFmg&s=19
not ruling out joining Reform. Does he honestly think we are daft? It was clearly his plan all along.
So not part of the Tory election strategy then?
New YouGov poll gives Sadiq Khan a 25-point lead in the London mayoral race
THE ISLAMISTS HAVE TAKEN OVER LONDON!
So not part of the Tory election strategy then?
He's a useful idiot who serves their present agenda and has done since 2019. Theres no longer a fag paper between the Tory Party and Reform/Brexit/Whatever Farages Vehicle is Called This Week anyway. They're essentially the same thing.
Imagine pre-2016, listening to senior Tories coming out with what we've heard over the last week? Remember when Home Secretary Theresa May's posters on vans seemed like a bit much? They seem rather quaint nowadays, don't they? Almost welcoming. Another world.
Thats how much this country has been dragged to the right since then and theres only been one party in power.
Racism was weaponised by UKIP during the referendum campaign and served Boris Johnson very well in 2019, so the Tories are presently reaaching for the same playbook, then upping the ante. Its pretty desperate stuff but it resonates with a certain type of voter. Hopefully it repulses more.
Theres no longer a fag paper between the Tory Party and Reform/Brexit/Whatever Farages Vehicle is Called This Week anyway. They’re essentially the same thing.
I'm on the tram in Nottingham (northern end of the line very near Lee Anderson's constituency) and I've just overheard a conversation between two guys slagging off "wishy washy liberals" (plus various other stuff about woke...), hoping that Anderson defects to Reform and gets re-elected. 😳
Their razor sharp political analysis reckoned he wouldn't get re-elected if he stayed Tory (the Tories are apparently also just liberals now) but that he'd stand a good chance in Reform.
I need to go and wash my ears out after hearing their drivel. They walk amongst us. 🙄
He’s a useful idiot
The difference between Labour getting a working majority and winning a huge landslide at the next general election seems to be very much down to how well or badly Reform UK does.
So right now Rishi Sunak's number one priority has to be not to hemorrhage too much Tory support to Reform UK.
A former Deputy Chairman of the Conservative Party defecting to Reform UK is not going to be particularly useful in achieving that.
Which is why 30p Lee is milking the situation for all its worth, playing footsie with them both
"Which of you gangs of closet fascists would like me to help attract the racist moron vote you're presently courting?"
Remember he's presently suspended from the Tory party, not expelled. Rishi has already said that if he only apologised then the door's open for a Suella style return
Government ministers seem to be now taking interviews techniques from Holt...
[ EDIT: sorry, missed that Kimbers has already included that in his big X post... twitterbroken earlier ]
THE ISLAMISTS HAVE TAKEN OVER LONDON!
I thought it had been taken over by the "woke".
Is there a timeshare agreement?
It really does show the weakness of Rishi, and his appalling political skills - not forgetting his dumpster world view. Sending out ministers en-masse to equivocate over 'tactical racism', largely to try and keep 30p and people in the Tory party that agree with him, vaguely on-side. It's another shameful spectacle.
I also hope that this doesn't wash with more voters than it does wash with. It's only a hope. My birthday is early May, could I please have a new (non-Tory/Reform) government with a large majority?
I've just had another piece of election bumph through the door from our tiny-majoritied, mekon-headed Tory MP. Its 50/50 split between the local council candidate (who looks as much like Tory Boy as its possible to be) and national stuff with old Tefal-head and Rishi 'delivering on their promises'
But the general election isn't until October, right? Definitely not in May when the local elections are on?
Oh yes, it's not happening in May, it's just a desperate plea of mine. I think Rishi has made the wrong choice about delaying the election in the hope of something coming along, because what is coming along is the Reform party and more infighting chaos to put voters off voting tory. Prolonging the pain for everyone...
"The hard working, pull yourselves up by your bootstraps traditional Tory values may have an appeal to the generation of immigrants who did that and prospered, and the Tories have got a lot of minorities represented in the government, so I can see how they might appeal."
Oh, that old trope.
Next you'll be telling us the Tories are "good with the economy", or "implement low taxes".
Are there still people who still believe?
“The hard working, pull yourselves up by your bootstraps traditional Tory values may have an appeal to the generation of immigrants who did that and prospered, and the Tories have got a lot of minorities represented in the government, so I can see how they might appeal.”
Oh, that old trope.
Next you’ll be telling us the Tories are “good with the economy”, or “implement low taxes”.
Are there still people who still believe?
It's far from a 'trope'. Many UK Asians vote tory for this exact reason. Many Ugandan and Kenyan Asians became tory voters once they settled in the UK, as such values appealed to them a lot. They'd lost everything, so were understandably particularly resentful. I grew up with kids from such families, as did my wife, and I was surprised at just how sympathetic they were towards the tories, especially during the Thatcher era. Those people tended to be predominantly Hindu, which as a culture is very segregational and hierarchical, and mainly from the Vaishya caste, which sees itself as being 'above' the lower labouring castes. So already pretty conservative in their outlook. Muslims were less likely to be tory voters, largely because they tended to settle in poorer, Labour run areas, and because Islam is perhaps more inclusive and 'socialist' in its philosophy. But you get tory voting Muslims; often those who have been lucky enough to succeed economically, so would automatically find such tory values as appealing. Interestingly, such Muslims do tend to be more secular and less aligned to traditional values than others, in my experience. So far more willing to embrace British cultural values, and be 'accepted' into British society. Hence Baroness Warsi and others.
because what is coming along is the Reform party and more infighting chaos to put voters off voting tory.
Yup, Reform UK have already about doubled their level of support in the last six months - there is no evidence that it will be falling in the next 6 months.
The very latest opinion poll is interesting:
https://twitter.com/DeltapollUK/status/1762121206205927596
I never cease to be surprised at how support for the LibDems is still only half of what it was when Nick Clegg took the disastrous decision to enable a Tory government and wholeheartedly supported austerity.
They say that the electorate has a short memory but Clegg gave them something to never forget.
Was sat on the train this morning a few seats down from a Leeanderthal who started every sentence with “I’m not racist but…” Spent the 12 minutes of the journey wanting to come out with something pithy remark to shut him down and now regretting not having the balls to do so.
If you do get the opportunity again, please do harangue him. The more 'ordinary members of the public' that are seen to stand up to such racists, the better. Particularly if they are white. Right now is a time for solidarity; When I was growing up in the 70s and 80s, one group which stood out for helping defend minorities locally, were Jewish left wing activists. They were the ones who helped distribute leaflets and formed pickets, and were at the forefront of anti-racist demonstrations. Many also stood toe to toe with neo-Nazis, as their predecessors had done against Moseley's blackshirts in Cable St. For this, I will always offer my solidarity to Jewish people. As I will with all who stand up against fascism. Solidarity is the key.
Re: Lib Dems, I don't know how the polls account for this in their models, or if it's covered in the framing of the survey question, but surely there is some extra support for them hidden in the Labour and Tory %s where people vote tactically..?
I know folk who were real lib dem activists. They will no longer even vote lib dem because of the coalition, the idiot posturing of Swinson that helped wreck any chance of stopping brexit and the realisation that every vote for the lib dems helps the tories
If you do get the opportunity again, please do harangue him. The more ‘ordinary members of the public’ that are seen to stand up to such racists, the better
Yes, I know I should have. The ignorance of his arguments needed calling out because it was that which tipped his views to racism.
The lib dems ruined themselves in the coalition and I both think and hope that they never see the light of day as a serious contender again.
Whilst I think its fair to say that the conservatives were fundamentally behind many of the unpopular polices the lib dems take flak for, the fact remains they allowed their desire to remain in a semblance of power to derail their pre-coalition red lines. Most importantly for me was their voting for the tripling of tuition fees so I'll see a nice reminder in every paycheck until 2048 of what their decision cost me there.
I also think that they're the most impacted by the current voting system where every lib dem vote is effectively a tory vote in the majority of constituencies.
Does he actually even truly believe that Islamic extremists have 'taken over' London? How is he evidencing this claim? As I said previously, I believe such extremism is on the wane in London at least; I'm not seeing quite the number of shouty preachers around these days. Perhaps they're all in Guantanamo Bay.
As for Tower Hamlets becoming a 'no go zone'; does he mean that the hipsters have taken over there? Because there seems to be a proliferation of trendy coffee shops etc appearing there right now. You can't move for outfits bought on Vinted, in Bethnal Green these days. It's all so achingly cool. So understandably no place for a frothing enraged tumescence like Leeanderthal.
Does he actually even truly believe that Islamic extremists have ‘taken over’London? How is he evidencing this claim?
hes just appealing to a certain audience- see crazy legs' story
the fact remains they allowed their desire to remain in a semblance of power to derail their pre-coalition red lines
Its more simple than that. The libdem mps didnt agree with many of the pre-coalition red lines. They were dominated by the orange book brigade who were pretty similar to the tories in economic plans but just differed on the social.
Most importantly for me was their voting for the tripling of tuition fees so I’ll see a nice reminder in every paycheck until 2048 of what their decision cost me there.
Which is the perfect example of the above. Clegg is on the record as being in favour of fees but lost out at the libdem conference where the party membership was opposed to them. So does anyone really think it would have been a subject he would have fought the tories on vs going ooops had to give way?
Oddly enough one of the main funders, Paul Marshall for the orange book brigade has now gone full tory and is a financer of gbeebies amongst other things.
Does he actually even truly believe that Islamic extremists have ‘taken over’London? How is he evidencing this claim?
When have they ever provided any evidence of anything they claim? Not since the 'we've had enough of experts' referendum campaign
I honestly don't think that at this point these grifters believe in anything other than keeping the gravy train rolling.
Lee knows he's done at the next election, so this is all about continuing his GB News gig and maybe getting a Daily Mail weekly column. I'm sure the idiots over the Atlantic presently being exposed to Truss would absolutely lap this shit up from Lee.
Ker-ching!
Oddly enough one of the main funders, Paul Marshall for the orange book brigade has now gone full tory and is a financer of gbeebies amongst other things.
The Lib Dems seem to be the nursery for prospective tories
Does he actually even truly believe that Islamic extremists have ‘taken over’ London? How is he evidencing this claim?
I believe that Anderson is talking about people like me once a fortnight demonstrating in London calling for a Free Palestine and an end to the slaughter of innocent civilians.
Apparently they are "Islamist demos". And former Home Secretary Suella Braverman agrees with him.
How does it feel to be running London Ernesto?
I hope you're not getting drunk on this new found power of yours
Meanwhile, while everyone is talking about 30p Lee...
It looks like Jeremy Hunt is planning on going 'Full Truss' at the budget next week and announce billions in unfunded tax cuts despite being warned by the IMF, amongst others, that this will have exactly the same effect as last time in 'spooking the markets'
God help us if binners and ernie go into coalition….
I can be the Mussolini to his Hitler 😀
maybe i should sell my bonds...........
It looks like Jeremy Hunt is planning on going ‘Full Truss’ at the budget next week and announce billions in unfunded tax cuts despite being warned by the IMF, amongst others, that this will have exactly the same effect as last time in ‘spooking the markets’
Or "plans to **** the economy so badly that Labour have no chance of improving anything"
Re: Lib Dems, I don’t know how the polls account for this in their models, or if it’s covered in the framing of the survey question, but surely there is some extra support for them hidden in the Labour and Tory %s where people vote tactically..?
What is hidden from the poll results is how despite the LibDems polling at about the same as they did at the last general election, or often even lower, all the seat predictions predict that they will double or even treble their MPs at the next general election.
I am not completely sure the reasons for this but I very strongly suspect that Reform UK standing in all marginal seats plays an important part.
The Brexit Party not standing in Tory marginals didn't just help them to defeat Labour but it presumably also helped the Tories to defeat the LibDems.
Most importantly for me was their voting for the tripling of tuition fees so I’ll see a nice reminder in every paycheck until 2048 of what their decision cost me there.
I've guffed on about this elsewhere, but I really do think this is a hugely underappreciated point among the over-40's (ish). Much of the media treated it as any other story - it's a big event, everyone gets angry, then people move on. But any graduates under about 30, except the top earners, will pay an extra 9% tax for much of their working lives. It's going to have a huge, permanent effect on housing, pensions, the wider economy. But for many in the media and politics, it's either forgotten or just shrugged off. It'll come back to bite us in the arse, I'm sure of it
@doris5000 - As someone with one daughter at Uni and another about to start, I'm more than aware that the governemnt are now treating students as potential future cash cows and I agree with you completely. Its going to have an enormous knock on effect on all sorts of areas of the economy.
More short-sighted, ill-thought-through economic madness that none of the cosseted offspring of this lot will need to concern themselves with