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This is where the opposition should be making clear to everyone exactly what it is along the lines of your “we’re spending £290m to send about 200 folk to Rwanda and then get the same number back.” and not getting drawn into discussions about human rights laws.
This is all Starmer did at PMQs this week. Worth a listen.
https://www.youtube.com/live/u4Oao3Yz95Y?si=9Xs6iBfcXYjbmkg8&t=360
I rarely listen to Nicky Campbell on 5live but am this morning.
Some woman - claire bullivant - from 'conservative home' is one of the guests and, I have to say, she is...deluded.
She has said that, based on polling of their members, ree-smug is their preferred choice for tory leader with patel and braverman also in the running; mordant an badenoch dismissed as 'too woke'.
Tune in!
EDIT: she's gone.
The Home Office has now admitted that they've given Rwanda another 100 million quid on top of the original 140 million
Half a billion quid for doing **** all? They must be absolutely loving this?
@frankconway - I'm just listening to that lunacy. WTF?!!! Rees Mogg has mass appeal to the electorate apparently? The Tories would definitely win with him as leader
We have no money for HS2! I'm cancelling it immediately because the Conservatives always deliver value for money.
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Dear Rwanda, have quarter of a billion pounds while we argue whether or not we can send 200 [s] asylum seekers[/s] illegal immigrants to you.
Rees Mogg has mass appeal to the electorate apparently?
He's Sir Jacob Rees-Mogg to you. Know your place, pleb. 😉
This is all Starmer did at PMQs this week. Worth a listen.
Raising stuff at PMQs is not what I had in mind for "This is where the opposition should be making clear to everyone". Not many people pay attention to PMQs and rightly so as the answers are ridiculous and turn people off of politics more than anything I would think.
Raising stuff at PMQs is not what I had in mind for “This is where the opposition should be making clear to everyone”
With two wars, a cost of living crisis, an Inquiry being attended by a former PM who's a proven liar, and a governing party that's imploding to cover simultaneously, what media outlet do you think is going to pay any attention to or have the time for; an opposition party saying "We oppose..."?
Well, I've also heard these points raised in radio interviews by shadow ministers. Truth is, they can't get the attention to their words unless they throw in "Thatcher" or something else to excite the media. Opposition MPs of all parties have been banging on about the cost compared to how few people it would apply to all damn year.
With two wars, a cost of living crisis, an Inquiry being attended by a former PM who’s a proven liar, and a governing party that’s imploding to cover simultaneously, what media outlet do you think is going to pay any
attention to or have the time for; an opposition party saying “We oppose…”?
Whenever the subject comes up at any time they are being asked about stuff. Just point out to people what the Rwanda scheme actually is at every opportunity. They spend enough time dodging questions so should be able to spout out some facts during those wasted interviews.
Good example clipped on LBC right now. Perhaps today is the day for those opposition MPs to be heard, thanks to Sunak's emergency announcement yesterday and the noises off from his own MPs.
How does 1/4 billion to Rwanda square with the avowed intent to get British employers to employ and train British workers. That 1/4 billion would employ enough immigration people here to process the backlog very quickly. We could also open some approved channels for immigrants/refugees to make contact and start the process with the change.
I bet they can't believe their luck. There'll be partying in Kigali this Christmas that would turn Johnson green with envy.
Next potential tory mp for Kirkcaldy?
Jesus Christ, someone pop a pill in his tea and send him off to a rave.
Yeah... it's all quite performative, like a JRM disciple... but that car is GORGEOUS... I'm jealous.
Apparently they don't ration..... looking at the photo can I just add. No s##t sherlock
I dunno, if I'm going to be judging I'd be tempted to look at the people who come online to randomly denigrate a kid who's a bit weird, but harmless, instead of noticing the real problems in the world. Although if someone does "pop a pill in his tea and send him off to a rave", I would watch.
the brexit bugle are running a poll on the runners and riders
"We love to run along the coast in the old car, my friend Lynsey and I," he says.
I often wonder where Norman is now. Probably wintering with his mother in Guildford. A cat, and the rain... Vim under the sink, and both bars on. But old now, old! There can be no true beauty without decay.
the rwanda dead cat bounce
The problem is that public support for the Rwanda policy exceeds support for the Tory Party, by approximately X2 in fact, which makes it an attractive distraction.
Opposition parties really need to bang on endlessly about both the needless waste of money it represents, and the fact that it is both pointless and inhumane.
The Tories rely on the fear of opposition parties to engage too much on the subject of immigration.
the rwanda dead cat bounce
The problem is that public support for the Rwanda policy exceeds support for the Tory Party, by approximately X2 in fact,
Any evidence for that?
I don't think anyone with an IQ in double figures could support this Rwanda nonsense.
Ho0w can it be a deterrent? These people are literally risking their lives when crossing the Channel. The odds of getting sent to Rwanda are tiny.
Even if the boat crossing send you into a rage, why would anyone think this would make a difference?
I hope this absolutely destroys them.
I know Kircawdy pretty well and never seen him before but I could imagine he's pretty dogged with that lifestyle growing up there
Michael Portilo with his dandy coloured clothing and copy of Bradshaw's guide stuck to his hand is well connected to the town spending many days growing up with his wealthy grandparents on Loughborough Rd
Reminds me of the Yorkshire lad with the bald heid and thick accent who idolised Maggie Thatch and became an MP
aw leave him alone, he’s no wierder than us and our carbon dandyhorses and tights.
You're right there. But some of us don't own carbon bikes or wear tights, and never will.
And... that car is worth having a passion for anyway... just look at it! Properly lovely.
Might Kircaldy be a land of nominative determinism? I can't see him reintroducing rationing.
""When I was younger, I looked at my great grandad's prisoner-of-war diaries and I just love everything about the period.""
I wonder what his favourite bit is? The starvation, the dysentry, the losing the odd bunk mate to execution in reprisal for escape attempts ...
I wonder what his favourite bit is?
The part where he gets to live in a nice centrally heated house and eat modern food rather than eating rations off a blanket in a bomb shelter at Aldwych...
Give it a few years and the Tories will get us back to that state of affairs.
Jacob Rees-Mogg probably wants us all back in the 1840's rather than the 1940's....
leaving an oily sheen in it's wake resulting in hedgerows full of roadies 😉
Who'd have thought it - the Tories sometimes have money to do shitty things but never have money for anything remotely progressive or practical.
It's almost as if we're being taken for mugs.
Ffs..I have lived in Kirkcaldy on and off for nearly 47 years, and when we finally get a mention in the national news, it’s to cover some plump oddball who should have had any notion of carrying on like that beaten out of him in the park on the walk home from school..
what an embarrassment ..
And… that car is worth having a passion for anyway… just look at it! Properly lovely.
You should buy one, they are pretty cheap as nobody wants them as too old - not great to drive, hard to get parts for, brakes appalling, safety appalling and so on. There is a reason why most people who actually drive their classic cars go late 50s as oldest.
Look at the condition of this for £8K https://www.carandclassic.com/car/C1662171
Saying, that I do like pre war cars and my house is very mid century with a lot of furniture from that time but I haven't gone as far as clothing.
I'm mechanically inept when it comes to cars... no use to me at all... plus that's twice what we paid for our car.
loving that Sunak is throwing braverman under the bus on this
https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1733109408383504454?t=Zb3L8vm5S3GaRiHalEMcYw&s=19
meanwhile that'd he a 380 odd majority
https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1733094687416676627?t=zSzRoPZ7AK3jwNaluwsyOg&s=19
I’m mechanically inept when it comes to cars… no use to me at all… plus that’s twice what we paid for our car.
Fair enough, live your dreams...
loving that Sunak is throwing braverman under the bus on this
That one works in both directions though.
If the woman he sacked was responsible for the sign-off, does that mean that
a) He has no control over his ministers
b) He doesn't support the extra hundred million, but is doing sweet FA about retrieving it?
He's the one responsible for getting value for taxpayers' money, in case he hadn't noticed.
At PMQs Sunak denied that more was being paid, when Starmer challenged him on this... the words used seemed especially slippery... hold on... clicking the vid...
"there is no incremental money"
As meaningless as all his answers about this policy on Wednesday (and since).
The problem is that public support for the Rwanda policy exceeds support for the Tory Party, by approximately X2 in fact,
Any evidence for that?
Yeah I posted it yesterday, quite a large YouGov poll:
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2023/11/14/30390/2
And, as I think you said, well worth looking at how that breaks down based on past voting patterns...
...heavily supported by the people they hope to get votes from again.
With all the talk today of the small amount of £100m extra don't forget this bargin
Government quietly awards travel firm £1.6bn contract for asylum barges and accommodation
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/barge-australia-asylum-contract-travel-b2354578.html
John O'Connell, chief executive of the Taxpayers' Alliance, said: “This murky contract leaves taxpayers in the dark. The migrant crisis may require an urgent response, but bungled procurement has cost a fortune in recent years.
“Ministers must ensure transparency and value for money when tendering services.”
Odd to see the Taxpayers Alliance (which isnt an alliance and doesn't represent taxpayers) sticking the boot in here. Is this a way of savaging Jenrick?