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I would immediately call a GE
Not a chance in hell, the tories, as any sitting party have a plan, which will include the carrot phase next year, of offering tax cuts, positive news on spending and so on, call an election now and it'll be a bloodbath for them.
Reality is, there is positives and negatives for Sunak, he is starting to move the party left, you no longer have the mentalists talking about immigration, withdrawing from human rights act and so on in positions of power, Cameron is also probably one of the best orators there's been over the last 20 years, so that could help as well, but negative wise, well there's a bucket load, and over the next month or two you can see the tory party ripping themselves apart publicly, which will be fun to watch 😂
It'll be interesting to see how far down they go, talk of leadership battles before an election is absolutely unreal, but this is from the same party that voted for Boris to be PM, and they did even worse with Liz Truss, i honestly still can't believe she was PM, it's feels more like a feverish dream sequence than real life, so for them to do it again is probably not that unrealistic!
discussions became focussed about a week ago so…pre-dating the Times article.
I doubt any Tory minister has organised anything more than a week in advance since 2016.
More than 48 hours notice is classed as long-term planning with these clowns. They’re literally making it up on the hoof
As stated, this was a good watch on youtube about Cameron
Fantasy politics question: imagine you are Sunak, and your only aim is to retain power. What would you do today to stay in office?
Not a chance of the early election. They will hang on as long as they can hoping for a good war or something turning up. I cannot see any policy that would get past his party and be popular with the wider elctorate
an election now would be a bloodbath for the tories
And I would form a coalition with the Lib Dems…
As a long term LibDem supporter I would hope they have learned their lesson, especially as "Call Me Dave" is back in the loop.
the shit Starmer would cop if he brought Brown or Blair into the shadow cabinet!
@slowoldman @politecameraaction The first problem with striking a coalition deal with the LDs is that it would have to be signed off by the party membership. I think the overwhelming majority of the membership (myself included) would crawl all the way to Mars over broken glass to vote against this, especially as the Tory party now is far further right than it was in 2010.
The second problem is that the overwhelming majority of seats we can win are Tory-facing, and any sniff of a deal jeopardises that.
The third problem is that having learned the hard way any coalition deal would have to include constitutional and electoral reform, but as we know that Tories are wedded to FPTP as it gives them advantages so that won't be happening.
I mentioned this on the obesity thread but I think it really also requires a note here - Victoria Atkins as the new health secretary and ultimately responsible for creating policy around the huge issue of sugar in processed food, probably the largest single health issue in the UK since smoking.
In this situation, I guess it helps to be an expert in your subject - lucky she's married to the Chief Executive of British Sugar then.
I mean I know that cabinet get paid a fair amount but a bet it pales into insignificance comapared to the salary of a CE of a multinational, so its pretty safe to say her lifestyle is paid for by sugar....
lucky she’s married to the Chief Executive of British Sugar then.
A couple of interesting things here - I assume British Sugar is the sugar beet industry but from memory the cane sugar industry (e.g Tate & Lyle) funded Brexit.
Secondly, one of the big problems in the environment brief is the use of neonicotinoids in the sugar industry. Probably a good thing she's not got that one?
There are, I think, 8 qualified GPs and doctors in the Conservative party currently serving as MPs, any one of which I would have though would have more insight into the running of the NHS than [checks notes] a privately educated barrister and daughter of a Tory MP.
I think there was probably less blatant nepotism in the court of Henry 8th
This is the main problem though. As soon as someone is appointed to the cabinet, you're immediately looking into what particular vested interests they represent.
The main problem with Victoria Atkins is that she's as thick as mince and also up to her neck in dodgy 'Fast Lane' PPE contracts. She obviously gets her ethics from her dad
This whole thing has the air of Rishi desperately scrabbling round to get pretty much anybody to fill positions, regardless of any ability
To quote Malcolm Tucker: "Yeah, if she says no then the only other candidate is my left bollock with a ****ing smiley face drawn on it!"
Although TBF, the press have stopped talking about sacking Braverman and are only really talking about Cameron. Which has the added benefit that it must be pissing of Braverman something terrible. So 10 out of 10 for Political Manoeuvring for Sunak, despite the fact that it probably won't shift their desperate showing in the polls.
This whole thing has the air of Rishi desperately scrabbling round to get pretty much anybody to fill positions, regardless of any ability
Cleverly: 8 jobs in 7 years
Shapps: 10 jobs in 7 years (one of them for only 6 days)
Barclay: 7 jobs in 6 years
7 Home Secretaries, 9 Foreign Secretaries, 10 Environment Ministers, 16 Housing Ministers.
Oh and of course, 5 Prime Ministers (one for only 42 days)
What a good job we went with a Strong and Stable Government, not the chaos of Ed Miliband...
Did anyone else think of this when they they heard Rishi had brought back Dave.
So 10 out of 10 for Political Manoeuvring for Sunak, despite the fact that it probably won’t shift their desperate showing in the polls.
I think it was a cunning move by Sunak considering what he has to work with, will help shore up Tories in the blue wall seats to the detriment of the lib dems, -an effort to save the seats of the old school Tories, like Raab, Gove , quite a few of whom I couldve seen stepping down before the next GE. Not sure it will be enough to move the dial that much though.
Of course its abandoning a lot of those red wall new Tories, Anderson, Gullis etc
Not sure it will be enough to move the dial that much though.
I'd be very surprised if it makes much difference at all.
They are repeatedly saying "moving the party back to the centre right" this morning.
That's the message.
Then they appoint Esther McVey as "Minister for Common Sense". Imagine being that desperate for power that you take that job?
It's crazy.
Although TBF, the press have stopped talking about sacking Braverman and are only really talking about Cameron.
He's bought himself 48 hours. Thats all. As soon as the Rwanda decision is announced tomorrow it'll all royally go off again. Cruella has apparently got her newspaper article already written, ready to be published, blaming Sunak for the supreme court not letting her deport people to Rwanda.
From that point its game on. She'll then go full on with her leadership bid, advocating withdrawal from the ECHR with all the headbangers lined up behind her. The fact that Rishi has appointed Cameron has just wound them up even more
In this situation, I guess it helps to be an expert in your subject – lucky she’s married to the Chief Executive of British Sugar then.
Well, she's also been a Type 1 diabetic since the age of 2 and campaigns about diabetes...but that probably doesn't suit your narrative
From that point its game on. She’ll then go full on with her leadership bid, advocating withdrawal from the ECHR with all the headbangers lined up behind her. The fact that Rishi has appointed Cameron has just wound them up even more
Cleverly is in there now, and he is pro ECHR, so no chance of that happening, Cameron is the same, and Sunak with back up is on that side as well, i also don't think Braverman has that much support, yes she always has the far right wing fringes, but that's getting less and less, and this recent change to move 'left' of the current position means a lot of the sheep will be happy enough to follow.
Well, she’s also been a Type 1 diabetic since the age of 2 and campaigns about diabetes…but that probably doesn’t suit your narrative
I'm not even going to look to see where she falls on the debate about using tax and/or regulation to reduce the sales of high processed sugar goods... I think I can guess...
I can't decide if Minister for Common Sense is Orwellian, Kafkaesque, or just a Monty Python sketch that never got made.
Well, she’s also been a Type 1 diabetic since the age of 2 and campaigns about diabetes…
Type 2 diabetes, developed by many after years of high-sugar, high-fat diets, is the issue here - does she campaign on prevention of that?
She certainly declared a previous conflict of interest around cannabis regulation (British Sugar has a licence to grow it for medicinal products) while drugs minister and recused herself from policy decisions on it. Hopefully she will do the same when issues like sugar taxes and banning advertising are considered.
On balance, hopefully better than Barclay, which isn't difficult.
I can’t decide if Minister for Common Sense is Orwellian, Kafkaesque, or just a Monty Python sketch that never got made.
My first thought was the film "Brazil"... which is pretty much a mix off all three of those.
the press have stopped talking about sacking Braverman and are only really talking about Cameron. Which has the added benefit that it must be pissing of Braverman something terrible.
Surely Braverman is keeping her powder dry for tomorrow when she will denounce the liberal-leftie courts, and declare her sacred mission to withdraw the UK from the ECHR and save it from an armada of invading small boats?
Braverman has plenty of venom left to poison British society. I am sure that she is hoping to be across all the front pages on Thursday.
This seems like the reshuffle where Rishi will finally get around to filling the Minister for Magic slot, which has been vacant since Robert Hardy died.
Surely Braverman is keeping her powder dry for tomorrow when she will denounce the liberal-leftie courts, and declare her sacred mission to withdraw the UK from the ECHR and save it from an armada of invading small boats?
She's struggling to contain herself, I think the Cameron appointment was like poking her with a lit cigarette.
: Suella Braverman is threatening to release “damning evidence” about Rishi Sunak
I don't think there was any doubt that Braverman knows where the bodies are buried, which no doubt contributed to the difficulty that Sunak had in sacking her.
Surely Braverman is keeping her powder dry for tomorrow when she will denounce the liberal-leftie courts, and declare her sacred mission to withdraw the UK from the ECHR and save it from an armada of invading small boats?
I reckon she'll go further as she's now really the poster girl/potential leader for the far right loons who think Sunak is some pinko socialist
I expect she'll go into meltdown tomorrow and not only denounce the liberal lefty alliance but rope Rishi in as one of the 'Wokerati' and say that she would have won the case if she hadn't been fatally undermined by Rishi. From then on its full bore with withdrawing from the ECHR, firing immigrants into the sun, bringing back public floggings and putting homeless people on spikes in town centres
Rats in a sack
This HAS to end, surely?
This was the split in the Tory party that David Cameron originally healed (papered-over) by promising a referendum on EU membership in return for being appointed party leader, back in 2005, opposing David Davis.
So they've not solved the problem in almost twenty years, hard to see it going away anytime soon.
Au contraire molgrips, this just starting to get going. We've still got a bit of room left before the satirical commentators give up and just report the news as they can not think of anything more batshit mental than the government can come up with.
Suella Braverman is threatening to release “damning evidence” about Rishi Sunak
You mean more damning than him being an incompetent and corrupt multi-millionaire?
At this stage I reckon she could release evidence that he'd had it off with an alien being and everyone would just shrug their shoulders, maybe ask if the alien was OK.
I can’t decide if Minister for Common Sense is Orwellian, Kafkaesque, or just a Monty Python sketch that never got made.
Can you imagine the intelligence briefings that other governments are getting right now about the Cabinet re-shuffle of a country that stopped being serious at the appointment of Boris Johnson...I'd imagine they're probably finding it quite hard to keep a straight face.
"Yes, they have appointed a minister for common sense, no, I assure you, it's not a joke..."
“Yes, they have appointed a minister for common sense, no, I assure you, it’s not a joke…”
I wonder how it translates in other languages?
It might even make less sense?
“Yes, they have appointed a minister for common sense, no, I assure you, it’s not a joke…”
.... but, get this.... the punchline is...
it's Esther McVey!
According to the Daily Telegraph Sunak had a face to face meeting with Cameron (secretly) the day before Braverman's Times article attacking the police.
Apparently the decision to have a reshuffle in late November early December and sack Braverman was made some time ago. It was brought forward firstly because of her recent behaviour, and secondly because it was feared that she would resign tomorrow in the wake of the court ruling.
The Telegraph also claims that only a tiny inner circle around Sunak were aware of the plan, and they are especially proud that it wasn't leaked. Apparently the greatest threat of a leak was when they had to approach whoever it is in the House of Lords of Lords to inform them that Cameron was to be made a Lord. But they did obviously pull it off.
By all accounts Braverman and her supporters had no idea. I'm lovin this inner Tory Party intrigue and backstabbing..... open civil war and undercover civil War 😎
Not sure where this minister of common sense has come from, but she's the minister without portfolio just now, i'm guessing it's new thinking for some reason or other, but is a bit of a weird one to 'name' this post.
The in-fighting will be good, mainly because if up against the far right of the party, Sunak et al will have to counter left, which will stop some of the madness that's been happening, i just don't see Braveman having much support to actually have a real fight, and i don't see her being privy to anything damning, as i doubt Sunak trusted her since the minute he got there, i mean who in the hell would?!
Lets just hope they don't stabilise and actually get a footing, with the upcoming election and the usual smoke and mirrors coming up with tax cuts, big flashy announcements, etc that you get with the run up, hopefully the implosion lasts a good while, nothing to do with this thread just now, but i still can't believe we had Liz Truss as prime minister, that one fact just makes me question everything that could happen!
The first problem with striking a coalition deal with the LDs is that it would have to be signed off by the party membership. I think the overwhelming majority of the membership (myself included) would crawl all the way to Mars over broken glass to vote against this, especially as the Tory party now is far further right than it was in 2010.
Well I would imagine that, like me, back in 2010 given the option of coalition with either main party the vast majority would have said "no not the Tories".
Dumbojo kicked out all the remainers ,can’t Sunak just kick her and her lunatics out?
TWITTER.COM Not sure where this minister of common sense has come from,
An article in the Sun. did they make it up or was it given to them as a sop to the ERG loons?
minister without portfolio
Just digest what that those words mean, for a moment.
Dumbojo kicked out all the remainers ,can’t Sunak just kick her and her lunatics out?
I think that would result in a loss of majority and given they are loons they would probably vote with a Labour proposal for an immediate GE in revenge.