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You should pop over to Twitter. There’s a receptive audience for this kind of thing. All sat in their pants in their room at their mums house, with the curtains drawn, discussing how the moon landings were faked by our lizard overlords. Do we know what David Icke thinks about it all? 😂
Do we know what David Icke thinks about it all? 😂
Well we know what you think about it all. Apparently it isn't feasible that Crispin Blunt could possibly be an innocent blackmail victim.
I generally leave it to the courts to decide that sort of stuff.
The UK would save a fortune if you were made Justice Minister binners.
It is possible he's an innocent victim of blackmail.
It's unlikely to be connected to his comments on Israel if this started prior to the Hamas attack.
So was it our lizard overlords who organised all this then?
Or was it.... you know...
*checks for listening devices*
...'them'?
It’s unlikely to be connected to.....
The likelihood is debatable, well it might be if anyone had the vaguest idea what the allegations involve, beyond accusations of rape.
But I reckon that it is feasible that the latest development might be linked to Blunt's frankly astonishing attack on his own party's leader, and the announcement of legal action against "officials" in the last week or so.
You should pop over to Twitter. There’s a receptive audience for this kind of thing. All sat in their pants in their room at their mums house, with the curtains drawn, discussing how the moon landings were faked by our lizard overlords. Do we know what David Icke thinks about it all? 😂
So was it our lizard overlords who organised all this then?
Or was it…. you know…
*checks for listening devices*
…’them’?
I thought you wanted to focus on talking about Rishi Sunak binners?
Instead of making absolutely hilarious comments about David Icke and lizards how about sticking to the rules which you demand everyone else sticks too?
💡
Smoke, fire, and all that. Blunt has had the whip removed, whereas there is another sitting tory mp with sexual assault allegations being investigated, and peter bone was allowed to continue during his investigation.
If it does trigger (yet) another by-election - what is the magic number before Rishi calls an election? Or will he just brazen it out to the bitter end?
I don't think anything should take priority over discussing the dark forces at work, manipulating all our lives
You don't think... you don't think you're putting yourself in danger, do you comrade?
Are any of us safe?
I don’t think anything should take priority over discussing the dark forces at work, manipulating all our lives
You don’t think… you don’t think you’re putting yourself in danger, do you comrade?
How about you comply with the request you keep making of everyone else, and limit discussion to Rishi Sunak. It'd be awful if you appeared to be a hypocrite.
If it does trigger (yet) another by-election – what is the magic number before Rishi calls an election?
About thirty all of them losses.
Maybe at 29 and one pending he would call it a day otherwise its only going to happen if he loses the majority which whilst it should be ludicrous given their track record in this government I wouldnt completely rule out.
According to the latest poll commissioned by GB News support for Labour is now more than double that of the Tories.
https://www.gbnews.com/politics/keir-starmer-sunak-polling-labour-conservative
I am not quite sure how they have managed to do it but Tory support is falling back to the level it was when Truss was PM.
The gap between them and Labour is widening as the next general election gets ever closer.
Edit: I note that GB News calls it "a devastating poll", surely it is a really great poll for Labour and only a devastating poll for the Tories?
I can't imagine why a fair and unbiased news provided would want to describe it as devastating.
I don’t think anything should take priority over discussing the dark forces at work
Binners are you seriously suggesting that there aren't 'dark forces' at work at the moment? Given the flagrant bias and self-censorship in the media, in politics, and even on this forum, it seems pretty clear to me that there's more going on than meets the eye. Or have people just all coincidentally decided to turn off their brains and blank what is happening out of their minds? Sort of a collective hiding our heads in the sand on the biggest and most dangerous news story of the day.
Or have people just all coincidentally decided to turn off their brains and blank what is happening out of their minds?
Someone clearly has. I have always been very (too?) cynical so suspect everything and while not a conspiracy theorist it can look like it by deeply questioning things that happen along with potential reasons behind that (which are usually money when it comes down to it), things like the escalation of a case against a tory MP who is pro Palestinian whereas every tory who has been on the news over the last 3 weeks continues to spout BS about how Israel has the right to defend itself and refuses to comment on whether they think what Israel is doing is correct or justified - that includes Sunak (to keep binners happy)
So... serious question... these 'dark forces'...
Who are they exactly?
Given the presently huge number of (mainly Tory) MPs with complaints of a sexual nature against them, I find it far easier to believe that a Tory MP is a bit rapey and is partial to the old marching powder than there being some shady conspiracy to silence a frankly irrelevant backbencher for criticising the Israeli government.
I'm guessing Mossad are probably a bit busy at the moment
Who are they exactly?
Did I say they were anyone in particular? I'm not necessarily saying there's a conspiracy, just that there's some pretty dark stuff going on at the moment. Whether it's the overt suppression of critical voices and opinions, or the silencing of individuals or entire groups, to the seemingly voluntary omerta displayed in wider society about 'what's going on in Gaza' (I heard that phrase on the news earlier, which is a pretty astonishing way to describe the slaughter of thousands of civilians and the horrific humanitarian situation of the refugees). There seems to be a collective effort across our society to not talk about it or prevent people from talking about it, and that's pretty dark from where I'm standing.
There seems to be a collective effort across our society to not talk about it or prevent people from talking about it
Eh? Are you mad?! Its on the rolling news coverage 24/7. I watch channel 4 news every night and its full of horrific images of destroyed buildings, with people being pulled out of the rubble and bloodied children arriving at hospitals in Gaza. They're not talking of anything but Gaza. Baroness Warsi (who last time I looked was a Tory) was on Question Time (the flagship BBC news programme) last night absolutely eviscerating the Israeli regime for their actions/collective punishments. Perhaps she'll be stitched up for being rapey next, going off your logic?
I sometimes wonder what planet you lot live on, because its certainly not one I recognise
The news is no more than bland commentary about how many dead and how many bombs have been dropped. There's very little actual objective analysis about why this is happening, whether its right or wrong, or what can be done about it. Seems to me the general view being encouraged is one of 'oh look, there's stuff going on in the middle east again, best leave them to it, nowt to do with us'.
That's not how either the BBC or Channel4 news have been covering it.
Channel4 news coverage in particular has been both horrific and insightful. Shocking and nuanced. Painful and wide ranging.
If you mean that no single simple glib and impossible answer has been pushed in the news, then you're correct.
There are more news outlets doing a terrible job with reporting than there are good ones doing proper journalism hence the absolute terrible mess that the establishment has basically been allowed to get away with for the last - God knows how long - in just about every part of our lives.
I mean you can't spend all your life squealing in every Tory thread about the state of things and not notice our media is mostly pro-establishment/markets.
Let's not rock the boat lads we don't want too much change you know or what will fake lefties of the Guardian complain about. Fixing stuff? Nah.
a frankly irrelevant backbencher for criticising the Israeli government.
He isn't an relevant backbencher and he is not in the news for "criticizing the Israeli government".
Firstly he is a former Select Committee member and government minister, and secondly he has made the headlines for criticizing the UK government.
Specifically he has singled out the UK prime minister and leader of his own party by claiming that Rishi Sunak has put Britain in "legal peril".
He also co-chairs an organisation that "has issued a notice of intention to prosecute UK officials".
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/gaza-war-crimes-uk-rishi-sunak-b2429728.html
I find it far easier to believe that a Tory MP is a bit rapey
Why, because rape is common among elderly gay Tory politicians?
Gay men in the public eye have, relative to heterosexual men, a tendency to be the subject of threats and blackmail. When they are politicians it is reasonable to assume that threat increases, and even more so when they have made enemies within their own party.
I have absolutely no idea what the allegations are beyond the claim of rape nor obviously what has motivated an accuser.
But I do know that dismissing as implausible the possibility that Blunt might be the victim of malicious politically motivated allegations is absurd.
mean you can’t spend all your life squealing in every Tory thread about the state of things and not notice our media is mostly pro-establishment/markets.
The last big change in the media landscape was instigated by Murdoch... he took on the "establishment" and won.
A change for the better?
The media is a mess in the UK, and journalism has been scaled back and neutered. That doesn't mean that the likes of Channel4 are failing as regards this story. It's the hardest watch every evening, and interviews, questions and gives air time to a huge range of voices discussing what is happening, and why.. and what should happen, and how (the most difficult part).
I have absolutely no idea what the allegations are beyond the claim of rape nor obviously what has motivated an accuser.
But happy to hang conspiracy theories off it based on knowing so little? Relying on a timeline like something out of a Christopher Nolan film?
That are specifically working to discredit or silence a backbench MP that up until 48hrs ago literally no one had ever heard off?
He is a fairly active one so surprised you havent heard of him before.
Whilst a true tory in many ways he does have some areas where he is a loud and vocal critic (he does seem to believe in consistent individual liberty rather than the pick and mix most of the tories do).
He is also pro trans rights and seems to have a particular dislike for the culture war imported from the US.
He was also the first to point out Truss was a bit crap in public.
Whilst the current conspiracy theory certainly is rubbish, aside from anything else the timelines dont add up, I expect unlike in some other cases the tory whips would have made zero effort to help him out.
Blunt was the only tory amongst the 95 MPs who have signed the Protecting Civilians in Gaza and Israel EDM
Dread to think what fate awaits the other 94, at the hands of the shadowy behind the scenes cabal (ah how many of these dodgy tropes do I need to trot out?), or maybe non-tories are imune?
But happy to hang conspiracy theories off it based on knowing so little?
No, not at all. That is just a false conclusion which you have come to. Unlike binners it is not a case of what I find 'easy to believe' but what I find plausible and feasible.
Like everyone else I have practically no information concerning the allegations, all I can do is speculate what is plausible. Which includes possibility that he could be the victim of malicious politically motivated allegations, as well as that he might be a predatory rapist.
We do not even know if the two police interviews are actually connected. All we know is that 3 weeks ago Blunt went to the police apparently claiming to be a victim of blackmail, and that this week he was interviewed after being arrested for rape.
The two incidents might not be connected at all, even though it might be reasonable to assume that they are.
Although rapists don't generally go to the police to report that they are being blackmailed.
When did that last happen?
Blunt was the only tory amongst the 95 MPs who have signed the Protecting Civilians in Gaza and Israel EDM
And you seriously believe that makes the case that malicious politically motivated allegations is implausible?
^^^eh? Er, I believe what?
TBH I have no idea. The ridicule in your second paragraph suggests that you are ridiculing the suggestion that Blunt might have been politically targeted:
Dread to think what fate awaits the other 94, at the hands of the shadowy behind the scenes cabal (ah how many of these dodgy tropes do I need to trot out?), or maybe non-tories are imune?
Pointing out that Blunt was "the only tory amongst 95 MPs" simply emphasises why he might have made more political enemies in the last couple of weeks.
How about the usual suspects take their own advice and set up a different thread to discuss the whole "dark forces" theory, rather than ****ing up yet another thread for everyone else?
How about the "usual suspects" stop throwing hissy fits when they don't like what others have to say.
Blimey! This thread has gone 'Full Corbyn'.
No, not that one. The other one...
Congratulations comrades, you've truly surpassed yourselves and taken even your usual paranoid, nonsensical, lefty, conspiracy-peddling tinfoil-hattery to the next level. Well done to all involved 😂
the usual suspects
Surely there is only one usual suspect who has mentioned dark forces, Mossad, conspiracies, and has posted his usual, and very predictable, tinfoil pictures?
It would be mean to make him feel unwelcomed, he loves this thread as much Hodges loved WW2.
Anyway there is no reason why you can't carry on ranting about the Tories, which is what this thread is designed for.
What's Mad Lizzie up to these days?
Rishi Sunak tweeted yesterday "We've achieved a lot in the year since I became PM".
Unfortunately for him apparently only 16% of voters agree :
https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1717560829246074983
Bizarrely twice as many Liberal Democrat voters believe that Rishi Sunak has achieved "a great deal" than Tory voters.
Bizarrely twice as many Liberal Democrat voters believe that Rishi Sunak has achieved “a great deal” than Tory voters.
Depends on what that "great deal" is really.
They have definitely done a great deal to help trash our countries reputation given the chance to recover from Truss and a decent amount of damage to the tories as well.
Nothing good I can think of but on the negatives I think its verging on a great deal.
He has steadied the ship after the sea-sickness inducing wrecking work of Liz Truss.
It might not seem like much but we are at least no longer going headlong for the rocks, just drifting gently but Inevitably in their general direction.
Credit where credit is due.
That will explain the resounding 5% of Liberal Democrat voters who believe that he has achieved "a great deal".
Credit where credit is due.
It would have taken a spectacular kind of incompetence to have done as bad as Truss (or Johnson)
the state of the country where the PM deservers credit for not having catastrophically shit the bed, helping plunge many 1000s into poverty....
Soooo
https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1717995400303456696?s=20
MegaLOLs if this were true, it'd see Tories with <50 seats and Labour with a 400+ majority
Conducted by people polling for Geebeebies so probably BS, but I wonder if this will be Johnson's first topic, Will the clown use his new platform to hound it Sunak? he's petty enough to do it.
It might well be a poorly conducted poll but it isn't massively different to the latest YouGov poll which puts Labour's share of the vote at double that of the Tories.
https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/47707-voting-intention-con-24-lab-48-24-25-oct-2023
Voting Intention: Con 24%, Lab 48% (24-25 Oct 2023)
^^^^ This poll not actually that far out from yougov's latest either!
https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1717696785026531435?s=20
Sunak should seize the opportunity to resurrect PR-STV for Westminster elections in the King’s Speech. The Conservative Party really deserve more seats than that on their vote share. 🤣
another 20pt deficit in the r&w poll today
its ok though, Biden & the G7 heads aren't showing for his AI summit but they got someone a bit more ...... trumpy
https://twitter.com/KevinASchofield/status/1719060805499457589?t=05HgImflmia2AiXYnw3KBg&s=19