[Closed] RIP Smiley Culture

No!

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Jeeze, that's very sad. 😥

RIP.

my favourite, not one for the tory boys

alleged drug dealer dies during police raid

every death's sad, and all but ... 😐

The Police always had it in for him, always giving him 'producers' and what-not 🙂
RIP him, I liked his songs

alleged drug dealer dies during police raid

every death's sad, and all but ...

he has been murdered by the state, I'd say that's pretty sad.

Sorry to hear this! RIP

Er... Sounds like he was killed by himself, not the state...

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/article/ALeqM5jUnT1ccNLb0s6M-DHRz8dHjhmLyg?docId=N0019601300210395121A

scaredypants - Member

alleged drug dealer dies during police raid

every death's sad, and all but ...

How much travel would people recommend for the puritans when they finally decide to descend from the moral high ground?

Alleged , it says alleged. But yiu've judged him already. Hmm wonder which stereotype you are calling on...

scaredypants - Member
alleged drug dealer dies during police raid
every death's sad, and all but ...

Have to fall in with scaredypants on this one. Shouldn't be celebrating the life of an alleged drug dealer...

Here we go again, I know a fair few 'drug dealers' and used to be one once upon a time myself. Regardless of people's chosen vocation, they are still human beings. And whilst middle England may find the notion of 'drug dealing' abhorrent, those of us who grew up in places like Liverpool, London & Glasgow etc, know that it's a fact of life and just a job, a way to get out of having nothing in a place where deprivation and criminality is generational and endemic. I was all too familiar with that world, as was Smiley, no shame in that where we come from, just doing what is necessary...

just doing what is necessary

Sorry Loddrik, but I can't let that go unchallenged. My father came from a (literally) dirt-poor background and managed to get out without resorting to crime of any sort. There are huge numbers of people who could tell similar stories.

You may feel you had few options, and you may well be right, but [i]necessary[/i]? Hardly.

I think to many the fact he bought happiness to people with his songs and possibly missery to others with his drugs cancels one and other out.
Didn't know the man, could have been good and then again might have not
Sad either way

No, I did have options. But up here there are huge numbers of kids up here whose dads and granddads are unemployed and have grown up around and been involved criminality, all of their peers are in the same boat, in one of the most deprived cities in Europe, with no jobs and nothing to aspire to. Its not a case of simply turn away from it, it's all that they know. Hooray for your dad, he must be wonderful, but when you come from places like Norris green, croxteth, Peckham, glasgows east end etc, opportunities aren't really there, and everyone around you is the doing the same thing, that's what you're gonna end up doing.

.Besides. I'm not reading stories in the Mail about the 'misery' that cocaine causes

Being a "drug dealer" is a matter of conscience, I guess

As is whether or not to grieve their passing. Course, I didn't know him like you did loddrik.

Pretty sure I didn't mention anything about grief...

Besides, if we want a debate on the rights and wrongs of selling drugs, maybe we should do it on another thread...

...like the one a couple of days ago.

Stabbed himself to death? That's "remarkable".

I hope we can expect a decent investigation from the IPCC.

Sounds like he was killed by himself

Because the article says he died from self-inflicted wounds ? If this is true, it would be quite remarkable I reckon. People have usually thought quite a long time about suicide before they go ahead and do it. You would have thought that he had other things on his mind, and that he was somewhat distracted, when the police turned up to arrest him - for him to think "this is a good time to commit the suicide I've been thinking of doing".

On a completely pointless trivia note - the incident occurred up the road from me and I was in fact driving down his road on Sunday.

No because the other articles I read had a bit more detail and suggest that the police allowed him to go and make a cup of tea at which point he stabbed himself.

No one can be certain of the truth just from reading media reports. I just think it's stupid to automatically assume that the police stabbed him (a pretty messy crime that forensics would likely be able to see through) when the simple explanation that he killed himself is more plausible. All IMO of course.

I wonder how many of those who berate drugs are off to the pub/off licence sometime this week to get their fix. I'm pretty convinced that the biggest problem drugs present are by-products of prohibition.

It's a shame he died must be a pretty bad situation to kill yourself by stabbing.

I assume (based on thin air) that the substance of the drug supply allegations will come out in the coming months - because OB/CPS will want to show what a naughty person he was and/or because his co-accused's trial (he was on conspiracy charges - I'm assuming that there must have been co-conspirators who will still be prosecuted).

I assume (based on thin air) that the substance of the drug supply allegations will come out in the coming months - because OB/CPS will want to show what a naughty person he was and/or because his co-accused's trial (he was on conspiracy charges - I'm assuming that there must have been co-conspirators who will still be prosecuted).

You know, Dobbo, if your post had been by some other STW posters, I'd have taken that as serious 😉

Dobbo: what exactly in my post do you object to?

(Apart from my inability to proofread which meant that the words "will take place" are missing from between the closing parenthesis and the full stop. Shocking).

Here we go again, I know a fair few 'drug dealers' and used to be one once upon a time myself. Regardless of people's chosen vocation, they are still human beings. And whilst middle England may find the notion of 'drug dealing' abhorrent, those of us who grew up in places like Liverpool, London & Glasgow etc, know that it's a fact of life and just a job, a way to get out of having nothing in a place where deprivation and criminality is generational and endemic. I was all too familiar with that world, as was Smiley, no shame in that where we come from, just doing what is necessary...

My apologies, I hadn't realised that drug dealing was both legally and morally acceptable and that this was simply a troll.

Smiley who ?

loddrik - Member

Here we go again, I know a fair few 'drug dealers' and used to be one once upon a time myself. Regardless of people's chosen vocation, they are still human beings. And whilst middle England may find the notion of 'drug dealing' abhorrent, those of us who grew up in places like Liverpool, London & Glasgow etc, know that it's a fact of life and just a job, a way to get out of having nothing in a place where deprivation and criminality is generational and endemic. I was all too familiar with that world, as was Smiley, no shame in that where we come from, just doing what is necessary...

You are 50 Cent and I claim my five pound note!

Listen here, I was brought up in a cul-de-sac, there really was only one way out.

Listen here, I was brought up in a cul-de-sac, there really was only one way out.

[i]I was in fact driving down his road on Sunday. [/i]

Telling us doesn't corroborate your alibi you know Ernie.

My apologies, I hadn't realised that drug dealing was both legally and morally acceptable and that this was simply a troll.

on the morality bit.. I think drug dealing is only frowned upon by those who follow a certain moral compass..

what's acceptable to hardworking joe bloggs who likes a bevvy and beats his wife.. is going to be different to hardworking joe bloggs who's morality is a hangover from his churchgoing ancestors.. is going to be different from underclass joe bloggs who looks down his nose at the hardworking consumerist sheeple next door.. is going to be different to the hardworking middle england pot-smoking finance manager.. is going to be different to.. ad nauseum.. do you people never get out..?

just because your moral compass is the same as the law and the national press.. doesn't automatically make it [i]absolutely[/i] correct..

rip smiley.. loved your music as a kid and will be digging some out later to enjoy on this beautiful sunny day..

Where this thread has gone

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yunki, dear yunki, I'm not sure that I can accept your explanation.

You are 50 Cent and I claim my five pound note!

I wouldn't, it's probably been up his nose 😉

Who?

What did you deal loddrik?

Grief ?

What did you deal loddrik?

konabunny, why do you think I objected to anything in your post, after all it's based on thin air like....like half the other posts on this thread that are speculating on what happened in the house.

Why would you think I give a flying **** about a missing full stop or grammer, lol.

Loddrik

I'd be interested to hear why you 'had to' follow in the footsteps of the criminal scum that surrounded you...Was it peer pressure? Were there literally no jobs and no opportunities to be had?

I think the reality is that people are too lazy to actually go out and graft for a normal wage and they make a conscious choice to become a drug dealing scumbag (or commit other crimes) in order to get a large tax free income for minimal hours work/effort, whilst still probably claiming £££s in benefits from the hard working taxpayers.

Oh, and as for the "But there's no jobs" excuse...

1) My backside are/were there no no jobs; that's the laziness speaking!
2) Commute further afield if there's no positions available locally?

EDIT: Sorry oldgit, I seem to have got my wires (or eyes) a bit crossed when reading the previous page!

yunki, dear yunki, I'm not sure that I can accept your explanation

aahh well.. 🙂

Eh? What has oldgit done? Has a post been deleted?

Surreal thread 😕

Just out of interest, I'd like to hear the people slagging off drug dealers give a description of what they imagine this mythical beast to be? It's a catch all term used by the tabloids and generally used to conjur up unsavoury images. Violent? Of 'colour'? Very rich? Unemployable? Predatory? Tasteless? Uncaring?

This is utter cobblers of course! The irony being that the middle class journalists who spoon-feed you this crap come across their ilk all the time. They probably went to school with them. As did you.

We live in a capitalist society where the true laws of supply and demand, economic and otherwise, are adhered too religiously by one industry only. And that industry is illegal and demonised

The irony is delicious

on the morality bit.. I think drug dealing is only frowned upon by those who follow a certain moral compass..

So you're saying a person's morals define their morality. Genius 😆

description of what they imagine this mythical beast to be

A criminal ? Found in all walks of life/cultures yadda yadda.

A criminal ?

That isn't a description. That's just two words.

This is getting silly...or funny. Not sure yet, so will keep watching with interest

So you're saying a person's morals define their morality

yes..

As an argument against someone inferring that there is an accepted morality..

what did I do wrong..? 😕

As there appear to be several people on here claiming being a drug dealer is an acceptable profession I wonder - are these people happy to tell their friends and family that is how they earn a living or have in the past earned a living?

(I say 'earned' in the broadest sense of the term).

. They probably went to school with them. As did you.

I did with at least one, who was fairly recently charged with selling drugs to school kids as they came out the school. But that's not his fault it's where he grew up in the same town as me so had no choice. A bit like me I also deal in drugs but I'm licensed to as I decided to get a job.

I ain't done nothing?

the other articles I read had a bit more detail and suggest that the police allowed him to go and make a cup of tea at which point he stabbed himself.

I didn't know that.

You know it's stuff like that, which makes you realise what a damn decent chap your average good ol' British bobby is.

They go round to arrest a guy in connection with a serious drug related offence and they let him make himself a nice civilised cup of tea.

No doubt as they smashed their way through his front door with big ****-off sledge hammers and battling rams, the coppers caused the poor man some worry and anxiety. I can imagine what happened next.

Having seen the perturbed look on the pitiful soul's face, I'm sure one of the coppers must have said to him, "Look mate, you look rather pale, why don't you go to the kitchen whilst we wait here and make us all a nice cup of tea. I'll have 2 sugars in mine, and don't forget the biscuits."

People are always very quick to knock the police, but it is this sort of civilised behaviour which the British copper so special.

I wonder whether they would also have let him check his emails, and perhaps empty his washing machine, before taking him down the station to nick him. ......I bet they would've.

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And btw samuri - yep, it was definitely sunday...........that's my story, and I'm sticking to it.

At all other times I was logged on STW. Probably.

are these people happy to tell their friends and family that is how they earn a living

depends where you come from doesn't it..
I was sat having a spliff with my mates Nan one sunny afternoon as she and I came down off some good pills.. I wondered if I could ever sit with my own Nan doing the same.. or with my Mum..

My Dad would have loved it had he been around..

So realising that it would offend my folk's more puritanical sensibilities I started to question my own motives.. I gave up using recreational drugs not long after this epiphany..

I was sat having a spliff with my mates Nan one sunny afternoon as she and I came down off some good pills..

Rohypnol?

Rohypnol?

Aye.. she was a rum old bugger that one..

PMSL!

Great ernie. What's most likely? He stabbed himself or the police stabbed him? BTW not for a moment commenting on whether they knew that might be an outcome of letting him go and make the cup of tea - giving the guy enough rope and all...

Meth is my favourite drug with out people dealing in that we wouldn't have the Faces of Meth before and after shots to have a giggle at.

[url= http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3432104/Face-it-the-drugs-dont-work.html ]Faces of Meth.[/url]

No clubber. I don't think the police went round to arrest a guy in connection with a serious drug related offence, but then decided to stab him instead.

I have no idea what happened, I wasn't there ...... honest.

The scenario I offered was just simply trying to put some flesh on your suggestion that they let him go off to the kitchen to make a cup of tea.

The scenario I offered was just simply trying to put some flesh on your suggestion that they let him go off to the kitchen to make a cup of tea.

I didn't realise Clubber wrote for so many newspapers and news websites that have the same info in them. Respect.

Were any drugs or other evidence found at his house?

"Smiley - who also had a big hit with Cockney Translation about the struggle of Jamaicans to understand London accents - was already on bail over a £250,000 cocaine seizure before yesterday's 7am raid on his home in Warlingham, Surrey. "

No I didn't realise that either Dobbo. But what I was aware of, was that Clubber offered me a suggestion as to how he came to stab himself.

BTW Dobbo, you never came back to me on that thread about the Falklands. I was hoping to hear your deep analytical perspective about the causes of the war. What happened.....did you poke yourself in the eye with a dessert spoon or something ?

That's not what I asked, in my experience of police raids the cops lockdown the site very very quickly and the notion that you can pop out for a brew is frankly ludicrous.

If they'd all have had some nice cake with the tea, this whole frightful business could probably have been avoided

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But what I was aware of, was that Clubber offered me a suggestion as to how he came to stab himself.

Offered you a suggestion, that was offered to him by news sources readily available to anyone connected to the WWW.

Which is probably the reason why [i]I didn't leave out[/i] the bit where he had said :

[i][b]"the other articles I read had a bit more detail "[/b][/i]

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I liked Smiley Culture and his music and it's sad has died whatever the circumstances. I don't agree with selling drugs on the street although I am pro-legalisation. Anyway we talk about drug dealers ruining peoples lives when one of societies biggest debates is the sale of cheap alcohol and the misery it causes people. Does that make Tesco, Asda, your local off licence etc drug dealers and peddlers of misery? If not don't judge people who sell drugs as any worse than your average liquor retailer

Which is probably the reason why I didn't leave out the bit where you had said :

The scenario I offered was just simply trying to put some flesh on [b]your suggestion that they let him go off to the kitchen to make a cup of tea.[/b]

Assuming that when you said YOUR SUGGESTION you meant it was his suggestion.

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Your suggestion which you took from "the other articles", is that better Dobbo ?

God you're thick mate. No wonder you didn't bother coming back onto the Falklands thread after dropping a crass personal insult.

So whose suggestion is whose and who's suggesting who's suggesting what about whose suggestion?

Your suggestion which you took from "the other articles", is that better Dobbo ?

Not really, if can't see the difference between what someone suggests and what someone states as having read from reliable sources then I not only suggest it's you that is the thick one, I state this thread proves it. 😆

Sorry mate, this is too sad....whatever.

Did you go red when you read back through you posts and saw how wrong you were? 😆

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Maybe poor David/Smiley should've instead worked in a perfectly respectable and legal profession that would've met with the approval of the STW Little Englanders.

I dunno, something like a weapons manufacturer. Cos that's morally ok, isn't it?