Tragic. RIP Mac.
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This is a couple of days old, so appologies if it has already been posted.
ironic he had killed lots of people sons in his life time....
Yep and all deserved it.
RIP John. They don't make them like that any more.
Yes ironic to you however without men carrying weaponary on our behalf you and me wouldn't sleep safe in our beds at night.
What do you think our armed forces should have fought with, feather dusters and jokes?
RIP. His son died serving our nation and his Dad gave his best years for us. RIP
Goodbye and Good Luck John 8)
Best couple of hours of telly I ever watched was when he and his SAS mates kicked in the Iranian Embassy. I'd also like to say 'Thanks' for all the other stuff he and his mates did that I never knew about and never had to worry over.
Unfortunately we need people like John McAleese.
What JAG said
RIP
RIP
This man and his comrades served at the dirty and dangerous end of our nations security and safety without much public or formal recognition for and on behalf of us whether we agree or not with the tasks required of them or even knowing about them.
As reward for his endeavours he lost his son also serving in our armed forces as many others have. A loss that would surely devestate us all. This man is one of many that make me proud to be British.
I for one salute him.
RIP.
A brave and remarkable man who served his country well.
Best couple of hours of telly I ever watched was when he and his SAS mates kicked in the Iranian Embassy
Agree totally, although at the time I remember my dad getting upset that the snooker was stopped for the live coverage, not realising how the event would unfold.
RIP and thank you
ilovemygears - Member
ironic he had killed lots of people sons in his life time....
And just why would he have done that.
God rest this guys soul
And they say chuck Norris is hard. Rip mac, the world has lost a good man.
And just why would he have done that.
Because he was ordered to.
Lets be absolutely clear about this shall we? He would have run over your granny in a tank if so ordered.
A very courageous man no doubt, but an instrument of war and a bringer of suffering nevertheless.
The pain of losing his son must have been terrible, can't imagine that 🙁
And so the hand wringers arrive. Idiots.
RIP, Mac, and thanks for all of the other, non-televised stuff too.
Ooooh...someone's on the "Report Post" button tonight. Just as well he's not a soldier with a twitchy trigger finger like that.
Rather be a hand wringer than a jingoistic sycophant.
Edit: pt2!
RIP mac.
WOW that last post disappeared quick 😯
Yossarian were you picked last in the playground? diddums.....
Lets be absolutely clear about this shall we? He would have run over your granny in a tank if so ordered.A very courageous man no doubt, but an instrument of war and a bringer of suffering nevertheless.
Yossarian,
If we were all instruments of peace and bringers of healing like you, we wouldn't need people like Mac. However, the world is not like that and it is a good job we do have people of his kind.
Boohoo captain, you have cut me with your words.
Edit:
If we were all instruments of peace and bringers of healing like you, we wouldn't need people like Mac. However, the world is not like that and it is a good job we do have people of his kind.
Oh get over yourself. No doubt he has brave, no doubt he was a good mate to his colleagues. But all this flag waving horseshit needs to be confronted. You have NO IDEA what else he did, why and for whom. If you think that British foreign policy is anything other than rotten to it's stinking core then you need to wake up.
Yip, but this is the same for just about every big power and tbh it would be the same for any nation were they to rise to a level where they could impose their will upon others. There's always a greedy bastard elite, more than willing to take advantage of the dumb masses and exploit other countries as they see fit.You have NO IDEA what else he did, why and for whom. If you think that British foreign policy is anything other than rotten to it's stinking core then you need to wake up
Chomsky explains it better than I could, ignore who he's talking about, they concepts are still true..
We have to change that from within... Never gonny happen mind while the masses still believe in a world of goodies and baddies(as illustrated by posts above.).
Oh get over yourself. No doubt he has brave, no doubt he was a good mate to his colleagues. But all this flag waving horseshit needs to be confronted. You have NO IDEA what else he did, why and for whom. If you think that British foreign policy is anything other than rotten to it's stinking core then you need to wake up.
Yet, I'm guessing you happily turn a blind eye to that rotten policy so you can live a relatively peaceful life in a relatively trouble free country?
Yossarian,
What is the colour of the sky in your utopian idyll?
What can he do about it if you and millions of others actively support it without a thought?happily turn a blind eye to that rotten policy so you can live a relatively peaceful life in a relatively trouble free country?
When asked what he was fighting for, the Libyan rebel on TV said "Freedom. What you have in the west. All the things you take for granted."
I'm glad to be living in "the West" and happy there are men like the late JM defending it's borders.
You have NO IDEA what else he did, why and for whom
Nope, and [u]neither do you[/u]... you might want to think about that one when you're posting 😉
RIP a fine soldier.
Yossarian; People like the SAS allow you to "confront this flag waving horseshit." if you think otherwise you need to "wake up." You don't have to like it,in fact you are coming across as such an arse, I am rather glad you don't.
Men and women fighting dying allow us all free-thought.
The particular arena won't appeal or we might not agree with it. But when you sign up you don't get to pick and chose where you fight
Yet, I'm guessing you happily turn a blind eye to that rotten policy so you can live a relatively peaceful life in a relatively trouble free country?
Hmmm...no I wouldn't say that. I can't deny that I allow myself to enjoy my life, I'm extremely skeptical that the policies employed over the last 40 years or so are the ONLY way to ensure a peaceful UK. perhaps they are/were the best way to ensure economic dominance, but that doesn't mean the same thing to me.
Yossarian; People like the SAS allow you to "confront this flag waving horseshit." if you think otherwise you need to "wake up." You don't have to like it,in fact you are coming across as such an arse, I am rather glad you don't.
😆 how exactly do the SAS defend my freedom of speech then? By shooting people who want to take it away? Who are they then? Jingoism, pure and simple!
Next!
I liked his moustache. It will be missed.
If you want to be sceptical a lot of wars over the past few hundred years were about protecting UK Commerce. We can't be a functional society without a robust defence of our interests though can we?
Imagine who'd take the piss, bully and attack to take over?
how exactly do the SAS defend my freedom of speech then? By shooting people who want to take it away?
You have NO IDEA what else he did, why and for whomNope, and neither do you... you might want to think about that one when you're posting
Refresh on your short attention span, there...
I'd much rather people were unapologetic about it rather than try to kid me and themselves about what it actually is, maybe the discussion could actually get somewhere interesting.If you want to be sceptical a lot of wars over the past few hundred years were about protecting UK Commerce. We can't be a functional society without a robust defence of our interests though can we?
No you didn't woppit. Was ignoring the tub thumping. The comment by z11 made absolutely no sense whatsoever. I can quite believe that various threats to uk security and overseas interests were neutralised by the SAS. I SERIOUSLY doubt that any of them would have lead to the loss of free speech within the uk.
I'd much rather people were unapologetic about it rather than try to kid me and themselves about what it actually is, maybe the argument could actually get somewhere.
Yes absolutely.
Sorry, let me clarify for you. You said
You have NO IDEA what else he did, why and for whom
and then you said
how exactly do the SAS defend my freedom of speech then? By shooting people who want to take it away?
to which the answer, as you must already know, is: we don't know.
Whatever it is though, it seems to work - you, for instance, are able to spit on it without fear of arrest and torture.
If the SAS were that good, why did the IRA take the piss for so long?
The IRA were better?If the SAS were that good, why did the IRA take the piss for so long?
If the SAS were that good, why did the IRA take the piss for so long?
Political reasons. Unfortunately you can't just go in and kill the bad guys in one easy move.
So close to the mainland, aye that is true, not so true further a field. Plus the IRA war was a propaganda war from both sides. Neither side could actually go all out, It would have been much more bloody(and shorter) if that was the case.Political reasons. Unfortunately you can't just go in and kill the bad guys in one easy move.
If the SAS were that good, why did the IRA take the piss for so long?
Because the UK government wouldn't allow them to take out all suspected IRA members as it would be to controversial and no doubt some would claim they were innocent.
Sorry, let me clarify for you. You said
You have NO IDEA what else he did, why and for whom
and then you said
how exactly do the SAS defend my freedom of speech then? By shooting people who want to take it away?
to which the answer, as you must already know, is: we don't know.
Deary me you have got yourself in a twist about this haven't you. My comment about shooting people was a question, denoted by a question mark, thus: ? Whatever the SAS do, I suspect it doesn't involve feather dusters. What do you think?
Whatever it is though, it seems to work - you, for instance, are able to spit on it without fear of arrest and torture.
Jingoism again. Biggest threat to stability in the uk is the disaffected youth of our cities, wouldn't you say?
You sad, sad pathetic ****wits
And because, unlike the IRA, the SAS had to (at the very least) pay lip service to the law... 😉
I suppose, by not going in and taking the Provos out, they were defending free speech as well.
What Honus said
What Honus said
If you and Honus could just name and shame the pathetic ****wits...
Biggest threat to stability in the uk is the disaffected youth of our cities, wouldn't you say?
No.
Yossarian - if you hate the UK so much, you could always piss off somewhere lovely like Iran or North Korea. Or even China, they have a really interesting human rights policy. The UK ain't perfect, but I'm bloody grateful I was born here.
Well what is it then woppit? Do tell.
Yossarian - if you hate the UK so much, you could always piss off somewhere lovely like Iran or North Korea. Or even China, they have a really interesting human rights policy. The UK ain't perfect, but I'm bloody grateful I was born here.
How on earth can you mistake being honest about my country with hating it? Very very silly. Try again please.
How does a dislike of UK foriegn policy equate to a dislike of the UK? Could you explain that? I'm finding it difficult to see the connection you are making.Yossarian - if you hate the UK so much, you could always piss off somewhere lovely like Iran or North Korea. Or even China, they have a really interesting human rights policy. The UK ain't perfect, but I'm bloody grateful I was born here
Yossarian, start your own thread for handwringers. Leave this one.
How does a dislike of UK foriegn policy equate to a dislike of the UK?
The one is part of the other, and helps maintain it.
I disagree completely, may be how things work, but that doesn't necessarily need to be the case.The one is part of the other, and helps maintain it.
Yossarian, start your own thread for handwringers. Leave this one.
Do you [b]command[/b] me? 😆
This thread has deviated away it's intended path. Apart from you and me, it's been fairly civil.
The one is part of the other, and helps maintain it.
Utter nonsense
I missed the "please"
🙂
Sorry!
Anyway RIP.
No problem captain 😉
Now then woppit, you haven't come up with a good reason why I should be chucked in the tower or deported for disliking the way that my country behaves. Can you hurry up please?
Jeezo, you can have a big debate about whether or not we should have the Sas, the army, nuclear weapons, whatever! At the end of the day, all the above have helped defend our country against various enemies, either domestic or foreign.. I'm not a big fan of celebrating the sacrifice of the "glorious" dead or any shite like that but the guy did the job in front of him the best he could, and lives were directly saved as a result.
For that, I think the guy (and others) deserve respect.
Now then woppit, you haven't come up with a good reason why I should be chucked in the tower or deported for disliking the way that my country behaves
That's because there isn't one. You're entitled. Good, isn't it?
That's because there isn't one. You're entitled. Good, isn't it?
But apparently I hate the uk, according to you...everyone who dislikes britain's behaviour hates the uk? The enemy within? Cone on woppit, tell me how disliking foreign policy makes me a hater. I want to change and you hold the key.
A very courageous man no doubt, but an instrument of war and a bringer of suffering nevertheless.
I think the 25 hostages freed by the actions of John McAleese and his colleagues on 5 May 1980 would disagree with you about the "bringer of suffering" comment.
Actually, a double tap from a H&K MP5K doesn't leave much time for suffering...
I was fortunate to work with Mac for a number of years, he was a true leader amougst men. Also a true gent. Reading through the list of posts here clearly indicates to me that most of you are clueless as to the true achievements of this man.
Just be thankful there are people around us just like him.
RIP Mac
Biggest threat to stability in the uk is the disaffected youth of our cities, wouldn't you say?
no. banks, politicians, media owners and big corporate businesses.
That's quite a one sided view though. Many innocent lives would have been lost as a result of the job in front of him and others, is that acceptable?but the guy did the job in front of him the best he could, and lives were directly saved as a result.
For that, I think the guy (and others) deserve respect
But apparently I hate the uk, according to you..
Nope.
Stand down Mac.
Now go grab a wet with Frank and Nish.
Was an hounour to meet you fella.
idolising someone because they are good at killing people isnt good
idolising someone because they they are willing to risk their life to save others is
(im not sure that adds anything to the discussion)
But woppit....
Mr Woppit - Member
[i]How does a dislike of UK foriegn policy equate to a dislike of the UK?[/i]
The one is part of the other, and helps maintain it.
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You said it my love.
Edit: Actually forget it, I'm bored of watching you flounder. Your argument is bobbins and doesn't warrant this much attention.
Titanium balls. A true twentieth century hero. Went for selection was selected and did a very tough job. RIP Mac.
Whats wrong with being good at killing people?
RIP to a hero
Now go grab a wet with Frank and [b]Nish[/b].
Now there's a name I haven't heard in a long while... Have heard some tales about him from those "who were there" that truly make your hair curl!
I think the party in Valhalla will be going on till the early hours 😉
Whoo Stampy feet moment from the normal contenders.
RIP Mac.
Another of his "mates " was also buried this last week. Dad went to the funeral. Lots of very quiet men there who cleared off quickly he said.
We need more of that type.
Gosh there are some people on here who really do over analyse things.
The world can be an unpleasant place, human nature has shown itself to be incredibly destructive over the years.
With this in mind i am more than happy with the UK having an aggressive foreign policy and mounting various foreign escapades to effect regime change that favours the UK or to secure oil supplies....its a dog eat dog world and i sleep like a baby knowing that the UK government is usually quite happy to crap on a weaker country in order to maintain this status quo.
Back to the original post, RIP McAleese....men of his ilk are awesome, totally unencumbered by the wishy washy morals the rest of us fret over.
bit of honesty at last. Now I wonder why our leaders don't market it in this way...Gosh there are some people on here who really do over analyse things.The world can be an unpleasant place, human nature has shown itself to be incredibly destructive over the years.
With this in mind i am more than happy with the UK having an aggressive foreign policy and mounting various foreign escapades to effect regime change that favours the UK or to secure oil supplies....its a dog eat dog world and i sleep like a baby knowing that the UK government is usually quite happy to crap on a weaker country in order to maintain this status quo.
Back to the original post, RIP McAleese....men of his ilk are awesome, totally unencumbered by the wishy washy morals the rest of us fret over.
quite happy to crap on a weaker country
Whose inhabitants tend to want to kill easier targets here to return the favour.
Classic STW tough guy stuff though. Have a biscuit.
No tough guy here, i'd shit myself if conscription was ever introduced....just perfectly comfortable with having a government and armed forces that do this kind of thing so i can get on with enjoying myself.
Tough guy by proxy then.
Where will all the tough guy stuff stop I wonder?
Very true but it still won't prevent the clueless turdballs trying to be clever and score entirely meaningless points in their sad little keyboard hero world.Reading through the list of posts here clearly indicates to me that most of you are clueless as to the true achievements of this man.
The man undoubtedly earned and deserves respect. RIP
With this in mind i am more than happy with the UK having an aggressive foreign policy and mounting various foreign escapades to effect regime change that favours the UK or to secure oil supplies....its a dog eat dog world and i sleep like a baby knowing that the UK government is usually quite happy to crap on a weaker country in order to maintain this status quo.
At least you're honest about it unlike our government and the vast majority of people - I personally find it pretty abhorrent though and wish we could be more like eg Scandinavian countries that seem to generally keep themselves to themselves.
The guy was clearly very good at his job but I'm not sure why we should be celebrating it - seems to be a lot of testosterone floating about in this thread.