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Omar Little
i really dont have much patience for people acting like irresponsible knobs because the symptoms they have (after testing positive on Friday) aren’t bad enough to stop them going out for a bike ride on a busy cyclepath.
I doubt anyone has much patience for people like that.
It's bugger all to do with them being cyclists, and everything to do with them being arseholes. I thought it was unwise to exercise with symptoms, so maybe Karma will sort them out.
But at least they're outside and not in the queue at the local supermarket.
On the other hand why are other people going on a busy cycle path? Surely they should avoid it if it's busy? That's equally dumb IMO, may as well go to the pub or Cheltenham.
Most people I know work on the principle any stranger they meet has it, and every surface is likely to have it and take suitable precautions.
Dial 101 if you think it is the right thing to do.
So my view would be that if you know someone is taking really unnecessary risks in breach of the regs, report them, but do not mention it on here.
Because acting in a way you feel is socially responsible at this time is simply one step away from a Nazi/Soviet dictatorship, according to the over anxious conspiracy fappers who really don't seem to be handling the current situation very calmly.
So, mild symptoms, positive test, going out with a mate riding in a busy spot?
That's moron bingo, right there. I think that one is worth reporting.
Police don’t seem super keen to hear about it: https://www.edinburghnews.scno-need-call-us-police-east-lothian-tell-locals-stop-reporting-lockdown-breaches
I'm not surprised that the police don't want people to report simple lockdown breaches, but that's not what we're talking about here, is it?
This is a serious breach of covid-19 restrictions by someone who has allegedly tested positive.
If the OP thinks it is the right thing to do he should call 101.
Snitches get Stitches
....and Grannies get coronavirus and die.
I'd rather have the stitches than kill someones Granny.
I've not left the house for four weeks and I've got eight weeks to go so my sympathy for people taking the piss is at a minimum.
after testing positive on Friday
That's a fairly key piece of information to leave out of the original post, don't you think?
thread title has "quarantine" in it, I thought it was pretty clear, think I'm in the minority though 😂That’s a fairly key piece of information to leave out of the original post, don’t you think?
MoreCashThan Dash
So my view would be that if you know someone is taking really unnecessary risks in breach of the regs, report them, but do not mention it on here.
Or perhaps if mentioning it on here make it clear what the actual offence is?
There's a big difference between being a 'curtain twitcher' and 'socially responsible'.
Loads taking the piss around here,second homes are full.One couple came home from their 3rd home in France,when the lockdown started,home to Nottingham and then here, because it was safer they said.
Coed y brenin is also busy with runners and riders from all over UK.
Should i report them ? I'll just leave it in their own conscious that they have broken the rules,made non essential journeys,endangered the local vulnerable and elderly.
Bunch of selfish ****s.
miss-read that as beaker, as you were
I think the issue isn't with drive-by spraying of virus particles. You have to actually interact with people for several minutes to spray enough virus to risk transmission.
The issue is the social part of a social ride - you're probably going to be talking to that person you're riding with, I'd imagine, otherwise what's the point?
So someone tested positive then went for a ride with a pal?
Did the pal know?
They're the one that really needs their head read, if so.
Snitches get Stitches
Oooohhhhh aren’t you big n scary....🤣
Even if symptomatic and a positive test you are still allowed out for your daily exercise so long as you maintain social isolation. You are not allowed in shops tho
TJ the NHS site states that any one with corona should not leave their home for any reason (im sure this is contradicted some where else)
Can I leave my home if I'm self-isolating?
If you or someone you live with has symptoms of coronavirus:
do not leave your home for any reason – if you need food or medicine, order it online or by phone, or ask someone to deliver it to your home
do not have visitors in your home – including friends and family
do any exercise at home – you can use your garden, if you have one
TJ the NHS site states that any one with corona should not leave their home for any reason
What does the Coronovirus 19 Act 2020 say, no point calling the Police unless they're actually breaking the law.
Put out a rumour that all those crows are corvids. That'll keep the muppets out of the woods.
Put out a rumour that all those crows are corvids.
That would be attempted murder
martinhutch
MemberSo, mild symptoms, positive test, going out with a mate riding in a busy spot?
That’s moron bingo, right there. I think that one is worth reporting.
Posted 4 hours ago
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OP, is this Mugdock trails ?
Im still struggling to see what the issue is. THe most dangerous thing at the moment would be to stand in a queue ar a supermarket or the DIY shed of choice. I would maintain that riding even if you drove to the start involved alot less interaction. During our rides from home we have noticed that you see loads of people in the first and last mile and virtually none for the intervening 30
^^^ the guy has been diagnosed as positive for COVID and he’s out riding with mates on busy paths....
That would be attempted murder
Very good indeed Perchy
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2020/7/schedule/21/enacted
Section 14 seems to cover powers to make people stay at home.
IANAL but to me that reads that a public health official has the power to tell you to remain in your house an, but it sounds like the infected person must be given a verbal or written notification that this applies to them for it to become an offence.
So the key point is what the Dr and Nurses said when they told them they had it. anyone know the process for giving positive test results?
wether the police are interested is dependent on the local forces views on things and how busy they are, I also can't imagine the local police want to do a house visit to a confirmed coronavirus case.
Plus they'd need to be able to prove that the person had been ordered to self quarantine....
If they were in Italy, they'd be in serious trouble
Edit for relevance: If you look at this we seem to be in as bad a situation as Italy, if not worse
https://www.ft.com/content/a26fbf7e-48f8-11ea-aeb3-955839e06441
That’s a fairly key piece of information to leave out of the original post, don’t you think?
Why?
This thread is great. Page one, loads of people totally being unbiased towards fellow bikers, taking the piss out of the for the OP even thinking about dobbing them in, invoking Godwin's Law. Page two, plot twist, the perps in question have tested positive, everyone be like "well, of course you should report them." How is that different?
It's not.
One of the main characteristics of CV2 is that it's asymptomatic for a fortnight. It's why everyone in supermarkets is acting like there's a zombie outbreak. If you haven't been tested, you don't know you haven't got it. You are at best playing Russian Roulette with probabilities.
That would be attempted murder
It could be a black and white case too with it being corvid-related. But then again, it Jay not be necessarily.
Too much?
It’s not.
It is different, which is why both the advice and instructions are different.
We need to expect people who knowingly have the virus, or living/working with someone who knowingly has the virus, to act in a different way to everyone else. That is not unreasonable.
I actually don't know what the Chough I am on about now. I'm going stark Raven mad here, rooking with strangers on the internet.
Joking aside, the OP wasn't at all about the moral pros and cons of reporting these particular people to the police. Actually the only question was how to do it.
Now the OP knows the means of reporting I can only assume he's done it by now.
So really this is all now just 'banter' in any case.
We need to expect people who knowingly have the virus, or living/working with someone who knowingly has the virus, to act in a different way to everyone else. That is not unreasonable.
You've got the point I was trying to make arse-backwards. We need to expect people who don't know whether they have Corvid-19 or not to behave as though they have.
Social distancing isn't to stop you catching it. It's to prevent you from giving it to everyone else.
It's not.
But it is, because someone is asymptomatic doesnt mean they're going to infect every Tom, Dick and Harry they walk past.
If they're not shedding the virus by means of coughing, sneezing, wiping their snotty noses on everything for others to touch etc then they wont infect.
Someone who is showing symptoms, which includes coughing and assuming this guy is as was stated he has the 'mild symptoms' then they can infect a lot of people because of the shedding of the virus actively, so stay the fack at home.
Assymptomatics are far less likely to spread it, still can of course no denying it ans should act like they can with any coughs etc.
From the NHS website:
If you have symptoms
If you have symptoms of coronavirus, self-isolate for 7 days.After 7 days:
if you do not have a high temperature, you can stop self-isolating
if you still have a high temperature, keep self-isolating until your temperature returns to normal
You do not need to keep self-isolating if you just have a cough after 7 days. A cough can last for weeks after the infection has gone.
So if the guy's had symptoms for week/ten days or so, gets a test towards the end of the week showing he has the virus but is already starting to feel better and doesn't have a temperature. A couple of days later whilst maybe still coughing a bit, this person will be shedding no virus and the NHS guidance says no need to isolate, but everyone here thinks he's a terrible person for going for a ride?
Whereas the person who is shedding virus like crazy, but still a few days to go before mild symptoms develop, is fine to go for a ride?
We need to expect people who don’t know whether they have Corvid-19 or not to behave as though they have.
But surely that means everyone should have to isolate totally until they are sure they have had it?
This is the defining feature of covid-19, and is the reason I am pretty convinced the original estimates of R0 were too low (which in turn possibly led to lockdown being imposed too late).
So if the guy’s had symptoms for week/ten days or so, gets a test towards the end of the week showing he has the virus but is already starting to feel better and doesn’t have a temperature. A couple of days later whilst maybe still coughing a bit, this person will be shedding no virus and the NHS guidance says no need to isolate, but everyone here thinks he’s a terrible person for going for a ride?
Whereas the person who is shedding virus like crazy, but still a few days to go before mild symptoms develop, is fine to go for a ride?
But the second person simply does not know, so unless you want everyone to isolate until they are certain they have had it, there isn't a lot you can do.
On an individual level we should all be taking the precautions we can, but requiring everyone to isolate to avoid giving something they may or may not have to someone else? Good luck with that one!
On an individual level we should all be taking the precautions we can, but requiring everyone to isolate to avoid giving something they may or may not have to someone else? Good luck with that one!
But that's what we're all doing, to get that R below 1. The bad thing the guy in the OP did was to go for a ride with someone not in his household. That's what increases risk of spread to an unacceptable level. We should be acting like we and everyone we meet when out of doors might well have it. So stay away from folks.
Poster on the previous page talked about coughing and sneezing on things, but this isn't like flu viruses - being next to someone talking to them seems to be high risk. (I'd dig out a link but pushed for time.)
I am certain that the guidance allows the daily exercise if isolating. I checked because I had to isolate. I can't check now I am at work but will do so later
The bad thing the guy in the OP did was to go for a ride with someone not in his household.
Good point, he actually did two very bad things.
Did not self isolate in general having tested positive and also sought out a person not from their household to ride with.....
Anyway, whatever the ins and outs, presumably the OP has reported now.
Anything else is speculation.
requiring everyone to isolate to avoid giving something they may or may not have to someone else? Good luck with that one!
Which is why there's been no communication whatsoever that everyone should stay home unless going out is unavoidable.
Oh.
If you've not been confirmed positive then we're into the realms of "acceptable risk" and it's a numbers game. Would you have unprotected sex with someone if you thought you probably didn't have HIV, or have a wander round a zoo enclosure that you were 90% certain didn't have tigers in it?
I am certain that the guidance allows the daily exercise if isolating. I checked because I had to isolate.
And I'm sure that it was no outside exercise if isolating. Which is why I didn't.
Just checked - If you start having symptoms, even mild ones, you must not leave your home from 7 days from that point.
If anyone in your household has symptoms, the rest of the household must not leave the home for 14 days....
unavoidable
Strike me down for saying it but....
I'm pretty sure going for a bike ride or a jog is avoidable in the strictest sense of the word.