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get them in the basement of the station, get the old electrodes on the cobblers, soon have a nice confession.
and while you are doing that somebody else can put a few extra items in the car to find.
couple of things, thief must have been a bit dim to leave a stolen car outside his own house.
If all you need to do to get someone locked up is park a stolen car outside their house then it would be a fairly easy revenge tactic.
If there was not enough evidence to prosecute then thats the end of it really. It doesn't help the victim but also locking the wrong person up might aleviate the fear but not change things.
thief must have been a bit dim to leave a stolen car outside his own house.
Some young guy broke into my mother's house and stole the car (using the keys that were inside the house - no-one was home). He parked it outside his house. Old Bill were "visiting" him on some other matter, saw the keys, saw the car outside - nicked him.
Having the keys inside would count as evidence, a proper dim one.
When my car was stolen I was told that it bring discovered on someone's driveway and keys inside the house wasn't enough evidence on its own to secure a conviction.
and while you are doing that somebody else can put a few extra items in the car to find.
While they were on holiday, my parents' house was broken into - thief loaded up their car with stuff, drove to his house half a mile away, and started unloading. A good neighbour phoned the police, who nicked him then called me to drive the car back home.
Got the car home, and the detective suggested we move the valuable contents of the car back inside. Then he realised they'd need to take SoC photographs, so we put it all back in the car boot...
A desire for revenge is no starting point for justice.
Anyway, sounds shit OP. Sympathies to you friend, must be incredibly frustrating.
You hand-wringing liberal ones have, I would guess, never had to try to go to sleep the night after your house has been broken into (
I have. However I still understand why the justice system needs to work like it does.
So you admit to being a hand-wringing liberal ? Shame on you.
This has happened to rwo people I know within the last year but they managed to recover the vehicles themselves. One of them was my nephew who is a self employed cleaning contractor. He's woke up to find his Mercedes Vito together with equipment and materials gone off his driveway. He's informed the police but at the same time his wife's put out the word on Facebook with pictures of the van. A friend of hers spotted it on the way to work parked up and as he had a spare set of keys he managed to get it back.
Wait until it happens to you, then let's see how liberal you are.
I caught the person breaking into my car
I restrained him till the police arrived and no kicking was issued.
I was just as liberal before , during and after the crime.
A desire for revenge is no starting point for justice.
Makes for a good forum thread though....
Having the keys inside would count as evidence, a proper dim one.
I understand the burglar was (like many of them) a heavy substance abuser. It would have been a lot cheaper all around for him to be given some clean heroin every day and a room in which to inject it safely.
I caught the person breaking into my car
I restrained him till the police arrived and no kicking was issued.I was just as liberal before , during and after the crime.
Well done, but a proper liberal would have tried to convince the wrongdoer that liberalism was the guiding light he needs to aim for once he has seen the error of his ways.
Sympathy from me. Unfortunately the justice system isn't perfect and things are sometimes not as simple as they seem. Karma is the hoped for answer. Was just lamenting people with little social morality this morning. I am very stw it seems.
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Well done, but a proper liberal would have tried to convince the wrongdoer that liberalism was the guiding light he needs to aim for once he has seen the error of his ways.
Forgive me my sins
If we went around convicting people based on low evidence, well, for one thing I'd probably have a criminal conviction for mugging. It doesn't support victims, it creates them.
Does that make you a neck-wringing liberal?
I've had my house broken into, they stole two ice axes amongst other things - not very nice to think why they took them and what they would be planning to do with them. It was shit but it didn't turn me into an advocate of rounding up the most likely suspects and putting them in jail with no evidence.
Anyone moaning about 'this country' needs to take a massive reality check. We live in one of the safest countries in the world where by and large we have the rule of law and justice generally works as it should. A large percentage of the world doesn't have that privilege.
I stole some items from a campanologist once. Does that make me a bell ringing liberal? 🙂
Well said Grum
Spot on Grum
Shame on you Grum, spoiling this thread with your calm and rational posts....
Savede me some typing Grum plus no way is the suspect getting any compo. (No way as it is exceedingly unlikely that.. )
Yes, I understand you are much better informed than me on these issues, but I thought the compo suggestion also sounded like cobblers.
It's totally possible he's getting compensation for [i]something[/i]. He won't be getting it just for being on a tag though. If he's been put on a tag wrongly, or similiarly, then it's possible. Or just for some totally unrelated thing.
"I came back to my flat, and disturbed a burglar. I told him there was no God"
-- Paul Merton, 1986 IIRC (maybe not original though).
So it's now like the states, where 'liberal' is a term of derogatory abuse? sigh.
How could you be wrongly put on tag it is a court order either as a sentence or bail condition or post a prison sentence as a licence condition so no compensation avenue there. Only options false imprisonment if can demonstrate the police acted without any lawful authority ie not just that they were wrong or malitious prosecution if you could show real misconduct in laying the charge . Last possibility is if the arresting officer or another gave the suspect a kicking he could sue for assault. So exceedingly unlikely that any compo to suspect . We rarely pay to the victims of miscarriages of just never mind to mildly inconvenienced suspects who have charges dropped pre trial .
[quote="project"]Well thats what insurance is for then.
Possibly, it depends. Sounds like the OP's mate's car was recovered OK. In 2006 my car was taken from the driveway after person(s) unknown let themselves into the house during the night and helped themselves to anything valuable that was close to hand (car keys plus laptop, wallet, handbag and a camera). The car was found a couple of days later seemingly unharmed and held by police for a couple of days while they checked for prints etc.
There then followed a frustrating conversation with Elephant where they explained to me that the "theft" part of TPF&T didn't apply because the car had been found. Who knew it ? A car being stolen is not theft. So I couldn't claim for the recovery & storage costs I had to pay to the contractor used by the police before I was allowed to have my own car back 🙄 It was a few hundred quid; not peanuts. I was not very amused.
My wife's car, meanwhile, was still on the driveway. Because there was a key in the handbag that was stolen there was a risk "they" might come back for it so I had to secure it (take the wheels off and leave it on bricks) while we figured out what to do. That was with a different insurer and they agreed to pay out for complete new OEM immobiliser/central locking system from Toyota which was quite a large amount of money.
On the bright side, the household contents insurance was with More Than and they dealt with that claim extremely well. Big thumbs up to them.