[Closed] Religious ‘End-of-Days’ nuts; scary.

[b][i]"Nine members of a Christian militia group......."[/i][/b]

Indeed, it proves beyond all doubt, the evilness of religion/Christianity.

Luckily, there aren't nine non-Christian/atheists nutters in the world.

Otherwise, that would take some explaining.

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They're all as bad as each other

Admitting you believe in religion is just admitting you are thick

But perhaps not as thick as some atheists ?

OK ernie, why am I thick?

Can we have just one day without beating our collective heads against this most unforgiving of walls..?

I haven't accused anyone of being thick.

It's not my style.

What nickc said...just one day without belittling people for their beliefs and non-beliefs. It's getting seriously {moderated swear filter avoidance} boring.

john-drummer nice one!that takes me back, where are my clogs 🙂

I'm thick !

Natural selection is not about being clever its about making babies. God equals babies so stop moaning. God is good for genes.

God is good for genes.

Sounds true enough. The backward sorts who believe all that pish tend to be the ones breeding like rabbits.

Well, not really no.

Poor people are the ones having all the babies. On your local council estate, how many die-hard religious types do you think there are?

Poor people are the ones having all the babies. On your local council estate, how many die-hard religious types do you think there are?

I was refering to religion and culture that promotes big families- catholic, muslim, mormon etc therefore overpopulating us with more brainwashed nuggets

I was refering to religion and culture that promotes big families- catholic, muslim, mormon etc therefore overpopulating us with more brainwashed nuggets

What would your definition of brainwashed be? People who can't think for themselves and preach hatred in some kind of intolerant witchhunt?

which part of "Turn the other cheek" is this ? Jesus's nearest approach to violence was overturning the tables of the merchants in the Temple. Who would Jesus shoot/bomb ?

There are plenty of Rapture nuts in the states, including senators!

Is the thought of someone who believes the world is going to end in their lifetime having a position of power not really f*****g scary?

Admitting you believe in religion is just admitting you are thick, with no mind of your own and that, well, basically you're a bit shit.
They're all as bad as each other

Really? must have bought my postgrad(s)online then. You would appear to far more narrow minded than any of the Christians I know,based on your comments above.But hey; perish the thought somebody may choose to believe in something you don't,eh? Nice the way you apply your own percieved stereotypes to suit your argument.Doesn't make it hold any water,but hey-ho!

Happy Easter!

Well you guys will get the last laugh when you're up there in heaven with the Lord and I'm not.
Smug, deluded and hopelessly optimistic I'm afraid.
Look at the evidence for your belief system- there is none.
"[i]For it is written!![/i]" I hear you say. Horseshit. Written by whom?
I'm a great believer in life before death. I have good morals, I treat people the way I would expect them to treat me and I love my family and friends, I work hard. I know his is right and I don't need the Bible or any other to tell me how to live my life.
The sooner religion is phased out, the sooner the people of this planet can truly integrate. Unfortunately, due to some folks stubborness, this may take a long time.
There is no place for religion in modern society if we wan to move forward.

wrong...but thanks for playing!

Unfortunately KT1973 posts like that just demonstrate your lack of understanding of the subject you insulting. Because you are insulting, rather than debating or even listening, your are also demonstrating your poor social skills too.
Not the best position to take the high horse is it?

But you don't accept anybody else has a choice? Well done.

Stop poking the religious. The debate gets nowhere. I know its hard to resist as they are such easy and soft targets with no defence but its shooting fish in a barrel

roper - Member
Unfortunately KT1973 posts like that just demonstrate your lack of understanding of the subject you insulting. Because you are insulting, rather than debating or even listening, your are also demonstrating your poor social skills too.
Not the best position to take the high horse is it?

I've spent my life listening. I'd love to believe you. Give me one bit of evidence and I will. As for my social skills or lack thereof, it because this has been done to death and I'm getting tired of it. Some folk will have blind faith regardless of evidence to the contrary. Read Richard Dawkins and try and argue with him. Admittedly he'll put the point across far better than I.

KT1973, you are coming over as the stupidest person on this thread.

You and Woppit give atheists a bad name! Unless you ARE Woppit, in which case I might put in a provisional tentative claim on my £5.

If you aren't, then re-read the thread where we did all this.

EDIT: Arrgh.. must resist.. must..nooo!

Some folk will have blind faith regardless of evidence to the contrary

Your fundamental mistake is thinking that evidence and provable facts are what matter to everyone...

Oh no.. can someone block me from this thread?

Well you guys will get the last laugh when you're up there in heaven with the Lord and I'm not.
Smug, deluded and hopelessly optimistic I'm afraid.
Look at the evidence for your belief system- there is none.

there's no evidence that unbelievers won't be admitted to heaven too - though I sincerely hope that doesn't eventuate as at least Hell sounds more interesting!

Surely the whole point of faith is that it [b]isn't[/b] based on evidence ? It occurred to me last night that, if there [b]are[/b] gods - who created them ? Do the gods believe in supergods ? If god (or gods) are atheists about supergod(s), might we be punished for overcredulity - that is, could true believers be obliged to be atheistic to higher level gods? And what might supergods think about us, or are we as irrelevent as bacteria are to God I ? Of course, the supergods would have to have been created too, so it goes on up without limit, or perhaps in a mathematical way, they can be integrated into a single multilevel whole ?

KT1973, Don't just read Dawkins. He is very good at what he does but he is hardly an expert on religion.
If you want to understand a specific religion read about it as much as you can and make your own mind up. You will need to listen though.
If it is religion as a whole, then you have lots of reading to do. It might also be worth your while reading some philosophy or social sciences too, that way you can get a better understanding of how we think the human mind works. And then make up your own mind.

As the Buddha said " be a lamp onto yourself" or somat 😀

Guys, Can I recommend the Hip Hop thread to you? There's some class beats there...

they can be integrated into a single multilevel whole ?

ie theological calculus 🙂

If you want to understand a specific religion read about it as much as you can and make your own mind up

or just make up your own. After all, we may be god.

After all, we may be god.

they can be integrated into a single multilevel whole

Barnes, you are a single multilevel hole.

Unless you ARE Woppit, in which case I might put in a provisional tentative claim on my £5.

As a friendly aside, where did this "I claim my £5" start?

Barnes, you are a single multilevel hole.

I hope you're not demeaning my beliefs ? [Should I elect to believe that. Today]

for a fact, if you're going to believe unevidenced things then there's no particular reason for consistency. While I was shaving it occurred to me that each atom may be a universe with its own god, and/or that we may literally be negligent gods to inadvertent creations of our own. Also, what if God I is an atheist but it turns out it's wrong, and at some ensuing trump it and all its believers are punished for their wrongheadedness ?

I don't know if I should add this link or not, but I did a 3 week module on my MSc called "Where Science Meets Spirit". I wrote this essay called "The Scientist's Search for the Soul" and it looks at the evolution of science over the last few hundred years.

http://www.darkstar1.co.uk/srr1.html

Much science can be as dogmatic as religion, but with quantum physics especially, when you look at the descriptions of the universe, it becomes hard to separate descriptions of quantum physics from say those of the Tao and Upanishads.

This essay is part one of two essays so it does not necessarily conclude in a satisfactory manner. Part 2 is published next week I think 🙂

Oh, and Mr Barnes, you are in good company with Einstein:

“A human being is a part of the whole, called by us “Universe” - a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings as something separated from the rest - a kind of optical delusion of consciousness.

This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty.

Nobody is able to achieve this completely, but the striving for such achievement is in itself a part of the liberation and a foundation for inner security.” (Einstein 1954)

Admitting you believe in religion is just admitting you are thick, with no mind of your own and that, well, basically you're a bit shit.

Is it just admitting to being religious that makes you a bit thick? What if you keep quiet about it? 🙂

The vicar of our local CofE church gained a chemistry degree before he did his doctor of theology. One of the church wardens has a biology degree and the music group leader is a physics doctorate. The thick, brainless shits.

As a friendly aside, where did this "I claim my £5" start?

A newspaper used to have a bloke who went around, and if you recognised him and said "You are blah-blah and I claim my £5" he would give it to you 🙂 You had to have a current copy of the paper to qualify.

If you want to understand a specific religion read about it as much as you can and make your own mind up

or just make up your own. After all, we may be god.

No that's understanding "God" not understanding religion. The two are connected but are not the same thing.

'kin HELL!! KT1973 is almost like MrWoppit, but without the charm, knowledge, wisdom, sagacity and Mastery of Strident Dialectical Argument. It's quite something. 🙂

miketually - Member

Admitting you believe in religion is just admitting you are thick, with no mind of your own and that, well, basically you're a bit shit.

Is it just admitting to being religious that makes you a bit thick? What if you keep quiet about it?

The vicar of our local CofE church gained a chemistry degree before he did his doctor of theology. One of the church wardens has a biology degree and the music group leader is a physics doctorate. The thick, brainless shits.

One of my Physics teachers at High School was a minister. One of the muslims that tried to blow up Glasgow airport was a Doctor.
Most of us have the intellectual capability to get a university degree if we put our minds to it.
I'm guessing your beliefs are C of E because that's what your parents were. That's why it's unlikely you would follow Islam or Judaism.
It's hard to break the habit of a lifetime.
Some of us believe everything we're told, others question it.

No that's understanding "God" not understanding religion.

doesn't that depend which books you read ?

As an aside, I find these threads useful. I moved from Catholicism to regular atheism 40 years ago, but then during a previous discussion I realised that was too dogmatic and changed to pantheistic indifference, accepting any finite integer non negative number of gods, but today I've realised that finite is too restrictive and if there are [b]any[/b] gods, there may necessarily be an infinite number, though from our narrowed perspective they might as well be just the one, if we average out their individual beliefs ?

Not the best position to take the high horse is it?

I high horsed my bike off a massive step down last weekend. Not a good place to high horse at all!

Holy **** went through my mind as I flew through the air, thank god for the well placed thorn bush that I landed in.

Walked away wih a ring of thorn marks around one of my legs and stigmata like marks on my palms... hallelujah brothers and sisters.

One of my Physics teachers at High School was a minister. One of the muslims that tried to blow up Glasgow airport was a Doctor.

And were they thick? Or a bit shit?

I'm guessing your beliefs are C of E because that's what your parents were.

You're guessing incorrectly, in more than one way.

Some of us believe everything we're told, others question it.

Some of those who believe everything they're told are not religious. Some of those who question what they have been told are religious.

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Some of us believe everything we're told, others question it.

There is no rational basis or explanation for religion apart from it seems to meet some need in the human psyche.

Therefore it is useless to attempt a rational discourse on religion with believers as their belief is not rational

TandemJeremy - Member

There is no rational basis or explanation for religion apart from it seems to meet some need in the human psyche.

Therefore it is useless to attempt a rational discourse on religion with believers as their belief is not rational

+1

There is no rational basis or explanation for religion apart from it seems to meet some need in the human psyche.

This is a momentous day. I agree with TJ (a little bit)!

So if being religious makes someone's life feel a little bit less meaningless, why not just let them get on with it?

I'm pretty sure KT1973 is trollin', but if not, wow!

No that's understanding "God" not understanding religion.

doesn't that depend which books you read ?

I'm not so sure. You can be religious but not follow or even believe in God/s (even though the dictionary definition of religion has a God/s). You can also belive in God/s and not follow a religion.

My original point to the op was you can't understand a subject by reading one author and insulting others who live a life based on that subject.

Personally the existence of God/s (past present and future) is pretty irrelevant to the main focus of life and I and everyone else don't know.

It does remind me of a story from a zen (priest) friend who told me a story about a #student who asked the head monk, "what happens when we die", and the Monk said " I don't know I'm not dead".

#badly paraphrased

Right my Grandad was a Vicar, my Dad... an atheist.

My belief is that religion has no place in my life, I don't need to believe in all that nonsense to make me happy. But if you do and you don't want to force your beliefs on me then what business is it of mine.

Now, was my Grandad intelligent......yeah he was. One of very few men to make Officer in the Navy from a working class background. Now for a man who lived his life by the good book why did he suffer the indignity of dieing a long drawn out death with Parkinsons diesease?

My Gran, his wife actually renounced her beliefs as she watched him suffer and died happier herself for taking back that control.

But as I say... each to their own...

why not just let them get on with it?

and insulting others who live a life based on that subject.

but there's the rub - can one rationally claim to follow Jesus in a militant fashion ? Or perhaps Jesus was too wimpy and you just pick the violent bits out of the Bible ? It all seems a bit complicated 🙁

In general, the more you try to beat people into accepting that there is no god (or on the other hand, an infinite amount of gods) the more entrenched in their beliefs they become.

You can take all the material things away from people, take their freedom, their vote. You can completely disenfranchise them, but you can't really take away their beliefs. If they hate you and you believe something different to them, then it's kind of natural for them to want to also believe differently from you. People with a siege mentality will often be the last to convert.

Rather than browbeating them with rationale and logic and science and other clever stuff, just let them come to their own conclusions. It doesn't really matter that much.

It doesn't really matter that much.

amen to that brother 🙂

"A newspaper used to have a bloke who went around, and if you recognised him and said "You are blah-blah and I claim my £5" he would give it to you You had to have a current copy of the paper to qualify."
That would have been 'chalky white' Simon. As to the rest of the opinions on this thread, I don't really want to get involved, especially after thr shoeing I got last time - as someone else on here has already stated, critisising other's 'faith' is like shooting fish in a barrel, and the 'enlightened atheists' making the comments appear far more evangelistic than the people whose beliefs they are critisising. If it makes you happy...

and the 'enlightened atheists' making the comments appear far more evangelistic than the people whose beliefs they are critisising.

but I'm encouraging people to make up their own religions. I've had 3 today so far. I suppose that could be construed as evangelising speculation?

Can we have just one day without beating our collective heads against this most unforgiving of walls..?

Certainly not!

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Simon - I didnt mean you, I was directing it at the Dawkins fan boys.
You are SFB and I claim my five pounds!

but I'm encouraging people to make up their own religions. I've had 3 today so far..

lol, I did something very similar in my performance art days, though mine included backward Julie Andrews singing out from my arm pits and mars bars, oh those days 😳 🙄

Ok, so who else didn't notice spiderman for a bit longer than was comfortable.... 😳

He does whatever an hassidic jew can...

Sorry I'm late, all sorts of things kept cropping up at the last moment.

I'm just pulling up a chair on this one, as I've nothing new to add. A relief to many, I'm sure.

Anyway, I'M Woppit and I claim MY OWN £5. Er, hang on a minute... 8) 😉

I agree with both TJ's posts
As an atheist what is the point having this debate every week/day so we can poke, prod, offend and insult those of faith? Plenty of bright and stupid folk on both sides of the debate - don’t forget a double noble prize winner was the main proponent of homeopathy and Newton believed in Alchemy
Will it actually change their view of anyone?
The only view of mine that has changed as a result of these is to realise there are a number of highly intolerant atheists on here.

Anyway, I'M Woppit and I claim MY OWN £5.

But how is the £5 to be raised? Voluntary donations? Government funded?

I think we should be told...

Ok, so who else didn't notice spiderman for a bit longer than was comfortable

+1

You are SFB and I claim my five pounds!

uh, you have to actually meet me, and you have to be carrying a current copy of Singletrack* 🙂

Ok, so who else didn't notice spiderman for a bit longer than was comfortable

he [b]is[/b] the least weird

* and you may be sure the publication demanded may vary...

Will it actually change their view of anyone?

well, my views have changed as a result, but one might say that what a person believes only matters to them, it what they [b]do[/b] that matters to everyone else. Though I would be interested to hear what those who believe in an objective god think of the beliefs of that god. I've been trying to work out if it's a kind of meta-belief where you believe in a god that believes in such-and-such or if you accord that god its own reciprocal freedom of thought ?

Game over, apparently...

http://www.****/news/worldnews/article-1209858/Jesus-Siberia-Ex-traffic-policeman-says-son-God-leads-thousands-followers-Russia.html

"uh, you have to actually meet me, and you have to be carrying a current copy of Singletrack*"
How about a copy of last month's 'butt pie' ?

How are you today, barnsley? Better, I hope? What on earth is "butt pie"?

How about a copy of last month's 'butt pie' ?

I'm not clear on your denomination but I believe sodomy to be deprecated ?

"How are you today, barnsley? Better, I hope? What on earth is "butt pie"?"
Fine and dandy, thank you. Butt pie is (alledgedly) a gentlemans relaxation magazine specialising in photo - pictorials of young ladies back bottoms. Edited and part owned by one certain SFB, if I'm not mistaken (I may be wrong on this one).

Edited and part owned by one certain SFB, if I'm not mistaken (I may be wrong on this one).

[url= http://www.bogtrotters.org/40482 ]www.buttpie.com[/url]

Ladies bottoms?

Proof, surely, that there is indeed a God...

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[url= http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/friday-kylie-time-to-go-back-to-basics ]More evidence, just in case it were needed...[/url]

Junkyard
don’t forget a double noble prize winner was the main proponent of homeopathy

Of course how could we....er...

 

barnsleymitch - Member

"How are you today, barnsley? Better, I hope? What on earth is "butt pie"?"
Fine and dandy, thank you. Butt pie is (alledgedly) a gentlemans relaxation magazine specialising in photo - pictorials of young ladies back bottoms. Edited and part owned by one certain SFB, if I'm not mistaken (I may be wrong on this one).

Oh. Butt Pie.

Young ladies bottoms. Hm.

Is there a different terminology for the sort of rear favoured by the officers of your own (part time) denomination?

You cant switch off can you woppit?

Just getting thread back on track, barnsley...

Sorry, I thought it was about 'religious end of days nuts', I forgot that all threads mentioning religion had to revolve around paedophilia in the catholic church. Silly me!

That's O.K.