If he doesn't want to go into it, you have to respect that do you not?
not really, but [b]he [/b]has to by not contributing....
I'm quite interested to know how the sudden reversal came about whereby those leaning to the left suddenly became the defenders of religion.
When I was rubbing shoulders with the self righteous defenders of truth and justice, religion was definately seen as part of the problem. Why the 180 shift ?
I don't think I've read many outright criticisms of religion in this thread, and suspect a lot of it has been ridicule through apparently supportive statements
Why the 180 shift
you don't have to agree with something in order to debate it.
[i]no, actually I'm saying I prefer to work things out for myself rather than having someone else tell me what to think or do. I don't know how many gods there are, or why I should care about what they think if there are any, [/b]and the only truths I know concern my own immediate experience[b] [/i]
Surely though there must be things you accept as truths because other people have told you, or you've read in a book etc, rather than experienced yourself. Personally I believe everything is made of atoms, New Zealand is a country far away, radios work by transmitting radio waves and that most white van drivers wish to see me dead. In reality I've only got immediate experience of one of those. The rest I take on trust.
Surely though there must be things you accept as truths because other people have told you, or you've read in a book etc, rather than experienced yourself. Personally I believe everything is made of atoms
I'm willing to accept the hypothesis to the extent that it impinges upon my philosophy. I have no way of knowing if it's true.
[i]I'm willing to accept the hypothesis to the extent that it impinges upon my philosophy. I have no way of knowing if it's true. [/i]
Surely then for a lot of folk the same is true of religion. They weigh up the evidence, read, or listen to, the sources and come to the conclusion there either is, or isn't, a God.
Blimey, this has lasted five pages without being closed- good going!!!
And while we're on the subject of religion, here's a quick rant, prior to me going to see assorted comics at the Edinburgh Fringe. To all the comedians out there:-
If you're going to do something about religion, please make it funny and inventive. Just slagging off the tiny percentage of folk who believe in the literal 6 day truth of Creationism doesn't make your comedy "cool", "edgy" or "dangerous". It makes you sound too lazy to write decent material. Nothing wrong with being offensive, but don't be so sad as to pick on such an easy target. Also, I've seen a lot of you get stuck into Christianity/Jesus/God in a big way. Fair enough, there's lots of material there that's funny. Most Christians probably find it hilarious too. But I've noticed over the years you tend to shy away from any direct reference to Mohammed. What's wrong there? Scared perhaps? Realise that it's much more fun to target folk who won't come and kill you? Suddenly your "principled stand against the evils of religion" doesn't seem so smart, does it? Cowards. If I part with 10 quid, I want to hear you come up with something witty and original, okay?
There, rant over. Hope some Fringe performers are reading this. Marcus Brigstock did a great show about religion last year. Very balanced, and very funny.
They weigh up the evidence, read, or listen to, the sources and come to the conclusion there either is, or isn't, a God.
having done the same thing, I came to the conclusion that there's no way to tell how many gods there are. But also that I don't care what the answer is.
One might say most religions are not much about gods but frameworks for regulating behaviour (or excuses for bad behaviour). They function whether or not the supposed god(s) listen or even exist.
emma82 - Member
Blimey, this has lasted five pages without being closed- good going!!!
classy topic from a classy bloke.......... 😉
attention troll..............my ar5e............. 🙄
classy topic from a classy bloke... attention troll...my ar5e
modest too, but he wasn't getting much attention as he was hardly involved 🙂
They weigh up the evidence, read, or listen to, the sources and come to the conclusion there either is, or isn't, a God
I don't think this is true, sorry. I'd like if it was.
Most* religious people have the same religion as their parents. That suggests it's nothing to do with an objective assessment of evidence, but rather a matter of upbringing/social or peer pressure/etc, as someone alluded too earlier.
*I have no figures to back this up, but I dare you to find anything that disproves it.
simon, never involved, just like to watch........ 8)
never involved
Translation: Has nothing intelligent to actually say.
Oh sorry, forgot: 🙄
"never involved, just like to watch........"
Yes, from inside the wardrobe, tugging at yourself and sobbing at the futility of it all.
😆 at mitch
🙄 at that other bloke
[i]*I have no figures to back this up, but I dare you to find anything that disproves it. [/i]
To be honest, I've no figures to back up much of what I post on this forum. I just type it and hope no-one will challenge. You've sussed me out, damm you! 🙂
back in 5, do you mind if i leave my ruck sack here.
When I was rubbing shoulders with the self righteous defenders of truth and justice, religion was definately seen as part of the problem. Why the 180 shift ?
"I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to your death your right to say it."
Most* religious people have the same religion as their parents
I wonder what percentage of atheists have atheist parents?
One might say most religions are not much about gods but frameworks for regulating behaviour (or excuses for bad behaviour). They function whether or not the supposed god(s) listen or even exist.
True enough. Theology and religion aren't the same.
I wonder what percentage of atheists have atheist parents?
I have religious parents and I'm atheist. So 0%.
Really though, I [b][i]suspect[/i][/b] that more people with religious parents turn atheist, than people with atheist parents turn religious.
Really though, I suspect that more people with religious parents turn atheist, than people with atheist parents turn religious.
On balance, yes that must be true, since the number of atheists is increasing. However I don't think the difference is as much as you'd think.
How many people have different politics from their parents?
How many people have different politics from their parents?
Lots I think - politics tend to me more age dependent than religion.
See [url= http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/the-democrats-are-doomed-or-how-a-big-tent-can-be-too-big/ ]here[/url] for an interesting analysis from a dating website.
Really no idea of the actual numbers though.
Curious graphs roblerner - it doesn't say whether those stats are from the SAME people as they age, or whether it's a demographic profile. If the latter, then people's ideas could be influenced by the time they grew up, rather than their actual age.
people's ideas could be influenced by the time they grew up, rather than their actual age.
They have just taken a snapshot (of millions of people), so I suspect at least some of the difference is, as you say, due to when they grew up. But if that was totally true then there might not be a swing back to democrat in the older users. Probably a bit of both.
Yeah people are very self interested. So when they get old I don't doubt they are suddenly more interested in social security and less interested in a dynamic economy.
Bloody democracy 🙁
Jedi.
Too easy to succumb to the dark side.
