Fancy reading some wartime history. Any good books spring to mind?
Aviation is good. I don't know much about maritime. Not too interested in the far east.
John Ellis- One Day in a Very Long War. Interesting approach, talking about the events of 25 October 1944
Richard Hough- The Longest Battle: The War at Sea 1939-1945 is very readable
The recollections of Rifleman Bowlby.
Just finished, the Engineers of Victory by Paul Kennedy, very good
Chickenhawks by Robert Mason. Flying Hueys in Vietnam, funny, insightful and well written.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Battle-Narrow-Seas-1939-1945/dp/1848320353
brilliant "boys own" stuff sneaking around at nightin plywood speedboats
The Last Panther, Wolfgang Faust
Des Teufels General, Carl Zuckmayer.
Aviation, and not every German was a Nazi as the theme.
I rattled through A Higher Call in no time. Think I first heard of it on here. Absolutely recommended.
Ben Macintyre. Operation Mincemeat or Agent ZigZag should be good to start with.
Geoff Wellum's First Light is a must read.
Cornelius Ryan, The Longest Day
Rowland White, Vulcan 607. (His other stuff is poor, IMO)
the forgotten highlander
I've read it twice one the last 5 years
its amazing
http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Forgotten-Highlander-Incredible-Survival/dp/0349122571
Sea Harrier over the Falklands by Sharkey Ward
The Big Show by Pierre Clostermann.
All about flying Typhoons in France between D Day and the end of WW2. Cracking read.
Another vote for Chickenhawk.
If you are fan of that you should try and get hold of a copy of [url= http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/1908059036 ]Low Level Hell[/url].
Final one from me: [url= http://amzn.com/0891418024 ]Dustoff - The Memoir of An Army Aviator[/url].
The author Mike Novosell had a flying career spanning from the raids on Hiroshima / Nagasaki to flying Dust Off missions in Vietnam.
I will second operation Mincemeat and Agent ZigZig
Other War books that stick in my memory...
Das Boat
and related but not totally about War
the life story of Lawrence of Arabia ( Read a few can't remember exact titles )
All quiet on the western front, was a book that stuck with me.
+1 for chickenhawk, starky ward and first light. Ed Maceys 2 books about flying Apaches are good.
The quicksand war - lucien bodard french journalist - about the french in indo China before the Vietnam war, outstanding bit of work on forgotten history but copies are rare and expensive
No mean soldier by Peter Mcaleese.
From the sas to Rhodesia to South Africa in the 70s. Excellent book . Reread it every year.
Biggles 266 Squadron
The last valley - Martin Windrow
With the old breed - Percy sledge
Junior Officers Reading Club by Patrick Hennesey
http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Junior-Officers-Reading-Club/dp/0141039264
Mark Urban - The tank war
Eric 'Winkle' Brown - Wings on my sleeve
E E Vielle - Almost a boffin
Robert Lyman - Slim, master of war
And Michael Gannon - Black May, about the defeat of the U-boats in the Atlantic, May 1943 being the turn around.
If you want wartime without any awesome man-action then CP Snow's Strangers and Brothers series is quite good.
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Requires a sharp mind, not a book to read yourself to sleep, but is riveting.
Forgotten soldier - guy sajer. Interesting to hear from the other side
Bomber - Len Deighton. Fiction but well researched etc.
First light - Geoffrey wellum
No mean soldier by Peter Mcaleese
Good book. My dad knew him, he said he was an animal.
I like Soldier I. Truly remarkable story and well written.
First light, as above - utterly brilliant.
Wing leader, JE 'Johnny' Johnson for a proper Spitfire special.
My wife is related to Robert Stanford Tuck, his log books and memoirs are astonishing.
The Cruel Sea, Nicholas Monseratt.
Truly humbling stuff. A novel but all based oh his service in the North Atlantic. The film is remarkable, the book will give you nightmares.
I think these were the forerunners to the Long Range Desert Group
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Popskis-Private-Army-Vladimir-Peniakoff-x/dp/B001KVFUAS
It's all about WWII in North Africa,well worth a read.
All quiet on the western front, was a book that stuck with me.
But it is only a novel, it isn't true. (I read it then found this out later and was very disappointed).
Personally I liked 'With The Jocks' - diaries from an officer in charge of a regiment but really not knowing why it was him or what he should do.
Or read anything by Primo Levi and be thankful for not being Jewish in the war.
Sea Harrier over the Falklands by Sharkey Ward
Beat me to it !
The Cruel Sea, Nicholas Monseratt.
And again
Can highly recommend Rick Jollys Red and Green Life Machine.
"Cruel sea" as others have said also "the operators" about northern island" was a good read
Chickenhawk, The Cruel Sea, The Jungle is Neutral, The Making of the Atomic Bomb.
Good thread, lads, cheers. Will be checking these out. Chickenhawk seems to be a good place to start
War in stringbag by Charles Lamb
For WW1, the three books by Peter Hart give an excellent indication of how the air war progressed:
Somme Success
Bloody April
Aces Falling
[url= http://www.amazon.co.uk/DAY-Through-German-Eyes-Hidden-ebook/dp/B00VX372UE ]http://www.amazon.co.uk/DAY-Through-German-Eyes-Hidden-ebook/dp/B00VX372UE[/url] and the 2nd book of the series. A short but very interesting read about a number of German troops who saw D Day from a very different perspective to the one we hear about. The author was a German Journalist who was in Normandy in June '44 and went looking for the people he'd interviewed before the invasion again in the 1950's.
Overlord, Max Hastings. D-Day onward, a really good book.
D-Day, Anthony Beevor, though I think Max Hastings was better.
Stalingrad by A. Beevor got great reviews when it was released, I didnt think it was a great read but it does go into detail about one of the pivotal battles.
More recent - War. Sebastian Junger, about the US in Afghan, made into the film Restrepo(sp?.)
Task Force Helmand, Doug Beattie, UK in Afghan.
Anthony Beevor - either Stalingrad, WW2 or Ardennes 1944. Another vote for Chickenhawk. Stephen E Ambrose books are quite good, he did Band of Brothers. The Forgotten Soldier by Guy Sajer is a good read but apparently questionable on how factually correct it is.
I also found Matterhorn by Karl Marlantes quite good. It's a fiction book and the far east but the author served in Vietnam winning the Navy Cross which is one below the Medal of Honor so I'm guessing there's a bit of fact in there amongst the story.
I know the OP wasn't interested in the Far East, however, this is best personal war memoir I have ever read.
[url= http://www.amazon.co.uk/Quartered-Safe-George-MacDonald-Fraser/dp/0007105932/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1455445801&sr=1-1&keywords=quartered+safe+out+here ]Quartered Safe Out Here - George McDonald Fraser[/url]
Regarding The Last Panther and D-Day German Eyes, I read them and really enjoyed them, but there are questions over their authenticity.
Same goes for The Forgotten Soldier, which I have read at least 3 times.
^^ Completely agree ref GMF's memoir.
Clostermann's The Big Show is highly recommended and IMO the best WW2 aviation memoir (although he was flying Tempests at the end of the war, not Typhoons). His Flames in the Sky is also superb as a collection of combat episodes although I believe the veracity of some of the events has been questioned subsequently.
An exceptional WW1 aviation memoir is Sagittarius Rising by Cecil Lewis.
For something a bit different, I Flew for the Fuhrer by Heinz Knoke is excellent.
Other WW2 flying memoirs I would recommend are:
Flying Start by Hugh Dundas
Tumult in the Clouds, James A Goodson
Night Fighter, CF Rawnsley and Robert Wright (Rawnsley was John 'Cat's Eye' Cunningham's Nav/Radar operator)
Fighter Pilot by Paul Ritchie - published during the war and surprisingly short on propaganda bull.
And finally the classic The Last Enemy by Richard Hilary, a much more reflective account of Battle of Britain combat.
Spies in the Sky by Taylor Downing is a good read about the aerial intelligence war.
2nd Quartered safe out here by George McDonald Faser - Yes its about the Burma campaign - but it is both sad and funny. In parts its written in Cumbrian dialect.
For me its very personal - my mate both it for me - and I was astonished to find it describes the death of my great uncle - still moves me to tears. The book is dedicated to him
There you go - off I go again
The Ben McIntyre books are very good. They are all about the the true stories of espionage during the Second World War. Mostly based around key events such as D-Day, invasion of Sicily etc.
He weaves a very intricate story in an excellent and absorbing way, leaves you truly stunned, realising all the work that went in behind the scenes.
RV Jones, Most Secret War.
And for war bits amongst the fiction I loved Cryptonomicon...
ninfan - Member
The Cruel Sea, Nicholas Monseratt.Truly humbling stuff. A novel but all based oh his service in the North Atlantic. The film is remarkable, the book will give you nightmares.
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My grandfather served on convoy escorts for a large chunk of the war (mostly in the Atlantic through the period the U-boat crews referred to as "The Happy Time" but also on several Arctic runs). He said that The Cruel Sea was the first book to come anywhere remotely close to the reality, more so even than some of the early post-war memoirs. The film adaptation is also brilliant if you're into B&W war films.
[url= http://www.amazon.co.uk/Escort-War-Sea-D-A-Rayner/dp/0860070166 ]Escort: War at Sea[/url] by Denys Rayner (who my granddad served with on a few convoys) is also pretty good.
[url= http://www.amazon.co.uk/Shetland-Bus-David-J-Howarth/dp/1898852421/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1455460147&sr=1-1&keywords=the+shetland+bus+david+howarth ]The Shetland Bus[/url] by David Howarth is also an interesting book on a ballsy but largely forgotten campaign.
Infantry Attacks, Rommel
Memoirs of a Foxhunting Man etc , Sassoon
Above All Courage, various
18 Platoon
'Charlotte Gray' should be on this list, to remind everyone that some of the boldest and bravest were women.
Germany 1945
Another recommendation for Operation Mincemeat.
Achtung Swordfish - Stanley Brand, limited print but possibly available via FAA museum.
They gave me a Seafire - R Mike Crossley.
[i]Somme[/i] by Lyn Macdonald - effectively been a pacifist since reading this. The awful futility and waste of war.
I know it's the far east, but
[i]Road of Bones - the Seige of Kohima[/i] by Fergal Keane (the news reporter bloke) is a good read. My grandfather in law was there.
Aviation, closer to home but fiction - 'Bomber' by Len Deighton
+1s on Sea Harrier Over The Falklands, No Mean Soldier and The Cruel Sea. I would add The Dam Busters by Paul Brickhill (best wartime book ever, IMHO, covering 617's whole war and brilliantly written - he wrote The Great Escape too, and that's almost as good), The Quiet Soldier by Adam Ballinger on selection for the Territorial SAS, and if you're ok with novels based on real events, Piece Of Cake by Derek Robinson. I like the idea of Das Boot more than the book - he don't half rabbit on.
Couple from me, Vietnam ones but brilliant reads, Chickenhawk and Matterhorn which have been mentioned. Also Dispatches by Michael Herr.
R A Bagnold - Sand, Wind and War - A chap interested in deserts and sand dunes became part of the LRDG, which grew up alongside the SAS.
"Hitler's U-Boat War" by Clay Blair. Two volumes, but full of detail.
Read what happened to Convoy HX229, and then wonder if Churchill deliberately sent it out into the path of the U-boats for political purposes, ie get maximum carnage (no rescue ship on this convoy) to support his need to have more USA support.
BTW the % death rate in the British Merchant Navy exceeded that of the other services, somewhere over 30%.
Agree about the books by George Macdonald-Fraser and Cecil Lewis. Definitely must reads.
Charlotte Gray should NOT be on this list as it was written by Sebastian Faulks.
However, Between Silk and Cyanide should be on the list as it was written by Leo Marks.
Enemy Coast Ahead was good as I recall. Also The Colditz Story and The Latter Days At Colditz (fascinating place to visit by the way). So many great books about bravery and suffering
CFH, have you finished with my copy of I Flew For The Fuhrer? (Which should also be on the list).
Ps The Tunnels Of Cu Chi is gripping.
JulianA - Member
Charlotte Gray should NOT be on this list as it was written by Sebastian Faulks.
I think you may be JulianB incognito
Road of Bones - the Seige of Kohima
Excellent book. My grandfather served in Burma with the Indian Army (artillery) - and it was a good insight into why he rarely talked about his experiences.
Another vote for [i]Quartered Safe Out Here[/i] by George MacDonald Fraser (of Flashman fame).
Enemy Coast Ahead was good as I recall.
Great book, but the most moving thing for me was the introduction by Sir Arthur Harris - essentially warning that 'some may disapprove of tales of drunkenness and revelry, but what do you expect, these young men were under intolerable strain, faced with near-certain death, no wonder they needed to let off a little steam, if you want to be offended at anything, be offended at those who failed to prevent another war'
For a little escapism and 'what might have been' reading, I cannot recommend "Seelowe Nord" enough
"BTW the % death rate in the British Merchant Navy exceeded that of the other services, somewhere over 30%."
Bomber Command losses were over 44% killed. Not that I am belittling the Merchant Navy. One of my friends's fathers was on a number of the arctic convoys. I rememder hearing his tales of the conditions, and that was before the enemy started shooting at them
For a fictional book, but written by someone who did it "Bomber Stream Broke" by Chips* Campbell.
*(may be John - only knew him as Chips)
I can't recommend a specific book as it has been years since I read them but anything on the Chindits in Burma. What those guys went through is insane.
Burma The Longest War by Louis Allen will give you more details on that campaign but it is huge and a long read.
Sagittarius Rising by Cecil Lewis. An excellent read a totally different world.
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JulianA - Member
Charlotte Gray should NOT be on this list as it was written by Sebastian Faulks.
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Well into Agent Zig Zag at the moment, hell of a story (couldn't make it up!), if you're not into reading look it up on Youtube. Well worth a watch.
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I have managed to resist watching the whole thing, not to spoil the read.
Spike Milligan's war memoirs, particularly the first three.
I have managed to resist watching the whole thing, not to spoil the read.
Spoiler alert
We won.
😉
Rifleman Greg
Sorrow of war -bao ninh
An alternative view of the Vietnam war.
The Rescue of Bat 21 by Darrel D.Whitcomb, far far better than the film
and Beyond Endurance by Nick Barker the captain of the Endurance and it's adventures during the Falklands campaign, a very interesting read.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/1846031400/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?qid=1457832953&sr=8-2&pi=SY200_QL40&keywords=Out+of+Nowhere%3A+A+History+of+the+Military+Sniper+%28General+Military%29&dpPl=1&dpID=51L6IgxpPjL&ref=plSrch
A fascinating read about the history of the sniper in war.
[i]Operation Paraquat[/i] by Roger Perkins, about the battle for South Georgia, to bring things into more recent history, can be picked up fairly cheaply:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/ol/0948251131/ref=mw_dp_olp?ie=UTF8&condition=all
I have to say I have a personal interest in this one; I designed it and did all of the page layouts and paste-up of the artwork, it somewhat predates Quarkxpress.
+1 Chickenhawk and the related Street without Joy, Spike Milligans war diaries are a slightly different take on the standard WW2 read but all the better for it.
Any one suggested bomber by len deighton. A real pragmatic tale of the air war in www.
Oh and agent zig zag. The latter will blow your mind based on a true story. And later days of Cold it's. .
I've recently read these - highly recommended:
Sea Wolves: The Extraordinary Story of Britain's WW2 Submarines
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sea-Wolves-Extraordinary-Britains-Submarines/dp/034912289X
The Flowers of the Forest: Scotland and the First World War
http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Flowers-Forest-Scotland-First/dp/1843410400
I read Rommel My part in his downfall years ago, I must look it up again! 🙂
Derek Robinson "Piece of cake" and the rest of the Hornet Squadron books.
+1 for Geoff Wellum, essential read.