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Mk3 focus from New. 1.6 econetic. Average brim to brim over 17000 miles is 65mpg. Mix of sedate motorway and urban. Bikes go inside.
Best ever on the display, 33 motorway miles to work at 91.7mpg.
these are not showing much progress from my old Peugeot 2.0 HDI estate.
14 years old with 150k on the clock and on a calculated mpg I just got 45mpg. Half of that is country lanes, not taking it easy as I've just fitted my winter tyres so enjoying the grip. Half is motorway - which was a very windy/rainy trip not taking it easy and spending about an hour in traffic jams. The first half of the tank had a roof rack fitted with 3 bike racks too. (back is for the dog and other stuff, trying to keep the dog off the back seats these days before anyone moans about having bike on the roof).
Without the traffic jams (one caused by a truck rolling over on the M32) I would get 50mpg with a motorway/country/town split.
okay the 1.6 focus above is a big increase but crikey that must be boring! Not only do you have a 1.6 diesel but you have to drive it economically! Can get 55 average out of the 306 if I really try but I lose the will to live.
I can get 400-450 miles out of our Freelander TD4 auto which averages about 35mpg. OH gets 400 if she's lucky. When towing the sheep trailer we are lucky to get 20 😥
2004 320d Tourer followed by a 2007 9-3 Sportwagon.
Both averaged 42 with heavy stop-start traffic followed by 15-20 miles on the motorway.
Bikes never on roof.
Just taken delivery of a 2011 Ford Kuga 2.0TDCi AWD. Same driving pattern showing 38 but i haven't done the motorway bit since i filled up on Saturday. I expect the average to improve to about what i was getting in the above estates. Better than a 2004-7 4x4 would have got
14 years old with 150k on the clock and on a calculated mpg I just got 45mpg.
I reckon 50 is an improvement. But yes - technology has not changed that much - afaik that one is common rail.
45 represents a pretty poor day in the Passat.
Best ever on the display, 33 motorway miles to work at 91.7mpg.
Ford seem to be the worst for wildly over-reading. Knock 20% off those figures.. but they are still good.
Has to be brim to brim, dash figures are pure fantasy.
Mine doesn't have a dash mpg option! 😳
I use an app called "My Cars" which calculates pretty much everything you could ever wish for - trip by trip cost, distance between refueling, cost by week/month/year, mpg (or km per litre or any variation of) etc.
I reckon 50 is an improvement. But yes - technology has not changed that much - afaik that one is common rail.45 represents a pretty poor day in the Passat.
Yup, common rail HDI but before all the DMF rubbish. EGR blanked, cat gutted and welded back up. Costs me peanuts to run and the body looks a couple of years old so much to my OHs and Dads dismay I keep refusing to buy a newer car 😀
Keep looking at 4x4s but to get anything with any kind of increase in MPG you have to go for a very recent model - like john above with the Kuga. Trying to hold off for an electric/hybrid land rover. I was excited to see the Outlander hybrid but petrol engine due to all the anti-diesel stuff and a rubbish tow weight rules it out. I did see one the other day at the petrol station. Was weird to see an almost silent car accelerate so quickly out onto the main road.
Please remember everyone that fuel economy is a RECIPROCAL! (it is miles PER gallon). As such, it is not a linear scale in terms of fuel consumption.
For example if:
a 25mpg car uses 1 litre more fuel over 100miles it drops to 23.7mpg (-1.3mpg)
a 50mpg car uses the same amount extra fuel, it falls to 45.1mpg (-4.9mpg)
As such, you can't really compare fuel economy directly for cars with different average consumption! (you'll hear people who drive massive cars saying "but yeah, my Range Rover always gets 15mpg" and this is because it has such a high consumption that even drilling a hole in the fuel tank and draining 10gallons onto the floor doesn't make much difference to the rate the engine is pissing it out the tailpipe!
Anyways, for the record, my 335d does:
Ultra Long trip (>50miles) driven at max realistic economy = 45mpg
Long trip(>20miles), driven briskly but sensibly = 40mpg
Short trip(<20miles) = 33mpg
Ultrashort trip, town driving (<3miles) = 28mpg
Bounding these the maximum economy i've ever seen, is 53.8 mpg, driven at no more than 50mph, tailgating trucks and annoying the s**t out of other drivers.
The minimum economy is 27mpg, in Germany, including visiting the 155mph limiter multiple times 😉
I had a VW Sharan 1.9 TDi from new and always calculated the MPG fill-up to fill-up it averaged between 38 and 42 MPG from the day I bought it to the day it went for scrappage 128,000 miles and 12 years later.
Mondeo 2.2 diesel estate.
Commuting 41mpg (spend a lot of time queuing)
Motorways 50-54mpg (depends on how many roadworks)
With the towbar bike rack not much difference in MPG.
Fully loaded going to Spain and back I've seen a sniff over 60mpg on cruise control at 80mph.
[quote=peterfile ]Some of these figures aren't presenting a particularly strong case for owning a diesel!
if it helps my bosses practical estate averages 18mpg on super-unleaded...
RS6? 😀
E62 525d touring, manual - the Pre LCI version with the 2.5, not the detuned 3.0
Mid 30s for normal driving, mixed commute with 80mph on any dual carriageway - 34-37 mpg typically
Motorway, 40mph at 80mph
Came back from Wales a few weekends ago, 3 blokes, 3 lots of bikepacking gear, 2 bikes on roof and 1 on back. Drove slower as 80mph was caning my fuel consumption. Averaged out around 32 mpg at about 70mph
Was expecting it to be higher when I first bought it but hey ho
The point about petrol vs diesel is good, but you forget the bit about residuals, diesels hold their value better so the initial higher cost usually results in a higher trade in or sale price as they depreciate less
EGR blanked, cat gutted and welded back up
Thanks for all the extra pollution. We appreciate it, especially when we are cycling around in it.
Passat 1.9 on a 55 plate (b6) Its mapped to 145bhp from a lowley 105. Its does mid 40's round town and low to mid 50's on a run. 60 if you nurse it on the motorway. Figures according to dash. 130,000 on odo.
Volvo V70 R Design 1.6d - mid 30s around town.
Motorway run at 70mph low 50s plus or minus 10mpg depending on speed above or below. Best 64mpg at 60 to 65mph. Figures according to the dash
520D Touring here, it has averaged 43 mpg since new, just under 2 yrs and 35k miles ago. Slow town commuting during week and lots of running around at weekends (company car). Bike racks always on roof, often with bikes on them.
The 318D Touring that it replaced was slightly poorer, at 41 mpg over the 3 yrs (60k miles) I had it, same use profile.
2005 Audi A4 estate 2.0 petrol turbo (200bhp TFSI)
Pottering around: 32mpg
Open road: 35-37mpg
Motorway on cruise @73mph to Edinburgh & back: 41mpg
Bikes on the roof hardly seem to make a difference. Live in the country and hardly ever do any town driving.
I think some people like to quote their best MPG figures rather than usual
I'm interested to know what the best method's for estimating MPG might actually be, what sort of sampling period do people use?
Currently I tend to reset the "Avg MPG" clock once a week and then scroll the display to temperature (because my missus doesn't know how to change it) just so I can see what the OBC reckons our mixed family in/out of town use comes out at on a weekly basis...
But I might let it run for a month or two perhaps, because obviously week to week use might not be particularly consistent, but over a month or two (a longer sample period) the reported Average fuel consumption from the OBC might start to approach something more consistent with reality... Or is that simply being naive?
Resetting it just for long journeys, seems a bit pointless, you might get awesome MPG for a 200 mile Motorway round trip and that warm fuzzy feeling that goes with high MPG figures, but what happens when a week of trundling about town effectively gets disregarded?
So what apps do people use for more "accurate" MPG estimation/calculation?
Mine are calculated at the petrol pump with a calculator. Don't trust what's in the car, always optimistic
Thinking back, I had a Passat Est 110tdi in 1999, and that would regularly return mid 50's.
Progression? Hmm not sure.
I must be doing something wrong!!!
Mondeo 163bhp
Daily pootling/comute through town and a bit of A road - 44mpg
Longer motorway trips taking it easy for economy (<80mph)- 42 mpg
Disappointed! Was expecting >50mpg.
Skoda Fabia Scout ( the estate version of the Fabia)1.6 105hp diesel.
Town 50mpg
Motorway 58 to 65 mpg
Passat 1.9 on a 55 plate (b6) Its mapped to 145bhp from a lowley 105.
Careful, you'll have old misery guts up there after you!
Thanks for all the extra pollution. We appreciate it, especially when we are cycling around in it.
You welcome. In fact, I would be only too happy to bottle up all the exhaust fumes and send them to you to breath if I could. There won't be much soot in there though as it's running very clean in terms of particulates (but sorry, no idea on NOx now) 😛
PS Thanks for all that increased pollution from towing your caravan 😉
Mondeo 3 2.2 with a dab of tuning, never really driven with economy in mind
Doesn't do much city driving
Suburban, 50-ish
All round, 55-ish
Max, 60-ish
Not that brilliant, I suspect largely down to the driver but it's not really built for top economy.
Varying massively depending on how broken it is 😆 It's doing mid-40s just now because the MAF is unplugged frinstance
Ahhhh...so [i]that's [/i]what MPG stands for 😀maxtorque - Member
Please remember everyone...it is miles PER gallon
2014 Skoda Octavia Estate 2.0TDI 150
About town in start/stop traffic about 45 mpg, this is probably not helped by my driving and unwillingness to put it in eco mode.
Long journeys around 55 - 60 mpg depending upon average speed and again my driving.
Would take off 5-10 mpg from each of those depending upon the number of bikes.
2007 BMW 335d 3.0l twin turbo remapped to 350bhp
A) 42 MPG tank to tank receipt/mileage check
B) 36 MPG - one bike on roof
It's a monster.
Off to price up a 335 bmw 😮 looks like fun
1. Petrol comparison:
BMW 330i Sport Touring Auto:
Day to day - 28mpg
Motorway (80mph) - 33mpg
Motorway (65mph) - 39mpg
4 Bikes on the roof, 4 (6ft+) blokes + gear in the car - 28mpg
I think there's still a fairly strong case for diesel...
[EDIT] - My figues are (rounded) calculated, not taken from the display.
I don't think that's all that bad - slightly better than our 330 saloon.
RS6?
Getting into teens on one is pretty good doing - I had a good drive in my step uncle's V10 jobbie and it averaged 11! Yikes.
I can't believe that so many people are that fussed about tracking their MPG. My derv Ford has dropped from 57 to 51 and I don't really notice the difference (can't wait for it to go though).
Not an estate, but the very small vauxhall combo crew van 1.7 cdti:
Average driving, 44-45 mpg.
(On paper it's 55 - hahahahaha - cheeky bastards. My best ever was 48 on a trip up the M6 back when it was almost entirely one long 50mph roadwork zone).
Bikes on roof, no idea, it's a van so why would I put them on the roof.
2011 a3 sportback 170tdi does around 50mpg overall and up to 60mpg if sticking to 70 mph.
Bikes go in the back.
Had a golf Gti before, 2litre petrol turbo which did 300 miles a tank, the a3 does between 500-600 so halved my fuel bills and with the extra torque feels just as quick (quicker under normal driving conditions)
V70 2.4 D5 . Running with a tuning chip which was fitted when i bought it . Can return 57mpg driving very carefully which isnt bad for the size of it.
Dropped to 52mpg now on winter fuel and colder starts .
These are brim to brim figures not fantasy island.
Never put bikes on the roof so no idea what the difference would be
Octavia vrs pd170 diesel estate ...stage 1 remap to around 200bhp
Average around 50 mpg day to day which is a 40 mile round work trip.
Bike goes in the back.
Got 58.9 in the end...
Crikey. I had the unfortunate - kinda - experience to have had the "current fuel consumption" up on the dash when the DPF cycle kicked off earlier. I spent a good 15 minutes in 6th at 60 on the motorway at about 20 mpg. Switching to "average consumption" it was plummeting quickly.
45 ish mostly either traffic jam or a road and motorway with a bit of urban chucked in and bike goes inside or on back.
Is a mk3 diesel Mondeo a ' lifestyle ( estate?
Lifestyle?? My Mondeo suited my lifestyle, so 1.8TD did 55mpg overall, now have a VW Caddy Maxi, (not sure it's an estate, looks more like a hearse!) diesel 1.6 does about 45mpg. Maybe older diesels were more economical with their use of fuel?
Never any bikes on the roof, and not yet had the canoe and kayak on the roof of the Caddy.
Passat 2.0l tdi estate 140bhp - averages around 40mpg, but is thrashed everywhere and has a DSG box.
3.0l V6 231 bhp Navara pick-up - weighs getting on for 3t with tools in. On a steady motorway run it'll get anywhere up to 35mpg, at 80mph it'll drop below 30mpg. If I drive steady everywhere (mix of motorway and country roads/towns) I average 30-32mpg, if I give it a bit of welly, usually average 26-28mpg.
If I thrash it to death, it will go below 20mpg
Seat Exeo 2.0tdi
Ave 49-52 without racks
Ave 45-50 with racks
Ave 42-46 with racks with bikes on.
I drive on A Roads and Motorways 90% of the time.
Drops off a cliff over 80 with bikes on though, there's no point trying a 100mph+ midnight blast down to the alps - even forgetting the cost I'd lose more time stopping for fuel!
Jaysus H Christ! Most of these figures are dire. Really poor indeed. I'm so glad I don't have a diesel.
Last time I worked it out it was 20,000 miles a year for 3 years before a Focus/Golf sized diesel paid off. Now I'm not so sure it EVER would....!
Anyone else watching Dispatches [i]"The Great Car Con"[/i] on C4 now?
Yes. Quite interesting.
I'd just like to point out that both displayed and brim to brim mpg on my kitten murdering diesel is what the manufacturer claims.
I spend virtually no time stuck in traffic however.
That last bit testing the mumsneter's Alhambra - MPG was interesting, ~10 MPG below Manufacturer's claimed figure? 38 isn't bad though for a 7 seat monster... But it will give you cancer and ruin your lungs.
Think I'll try taping up all the panel gaps and grille, removing the back seats and spare tyre from my car, any other top fuel saying tips tips?