My fave pub meal has been ruined! Went for lunch yesterday at the mighty, mighty, Malet Arms in Newton Toney.
Been eating Malet burgers for years, always rare, as Noel (The landlord/chef) really knows his meat and really cares about the quality of his signature dish. He's now been told by environmental health types that he's not allowed to serve it rare any more. In all the years I've eaten there, I've never heard so much as a peep of anyone getting food poisoning, let alone catching death or something.
Surely if a pub/restaurant can prove the quality of their meat and overall hygiene etc, I should be able to order it raw if I want to. Grrr.
Had the belly pork instead in a fit of rage. Was excellent.
#firstworldproblems
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Always a shame when one of your favourite places changes in some way.
Rather surprised that you can't have something rare though - no problem with having the ribeye rare in the Red Lion last night (another excellent meal there), and steak tartare is available on the continent...
Ya, too many jobworths are just trying to prevent other hard working people to earn a living I guess they want to tell him how to cook now ... 🙄
Nanny state ...
no problem with having the ribeye rare in the Red Lion last night (another excellent meal there),
Something to do with it being made from minced/prepared meat, rather than steak.
Interesting to see what Upham do with the other place, though!
Something to do with it being made from minced/prepared meat, rather than steak.
It's a pretty valid reason.
http://www.finecooking.com/item/36325/steak-vs-hamburger
There is something about ground meat and preparing rare I seem to remember. There have been some cases abroad where people have had severe cases of some grizzly strain of food poisoning and maybe even a few deaths from it, and it was traced back to rare minced beef, so rare steaks OK, but not burgers. When travelling with work over the past couple of years on occasion i've either been refused a rare burger or in one particular restaurant, had to sign a disclaimer saying if I died from their burger then its nothing to do with the restaurant. I've been ok so far. Never heard of this in the UK though.
That's Steak Tartare off the menu then.
More Eurobollocks.
Something to do with it being made from minced/prepared meat, rather than steak.
Ok, I get the difference now. Shame.
Just figured out your last comment and learned something new - thanks! Looks like great news. About time something good happened there.
Kryton57 - Member
More [s]Euro[/s]Britobollocks.
Fixed that for you - seen steak tartare on the continent within the last year...
More Eurobollocks.
Easy, Farage.
His speciality is a burger? Is he Ronald Macdonald?
It's not Eurobollox, steak tartare and rare burgers are widely available in France.
See Julian's comment - I've eaten Steak Tartare in both Belgium & NL in the last year or so - this is Britbollox, nothing to do with Europe.
Flasheart/ Burger!!!!!
my fashion/icon hero eats burgers........my dreams are shattered... 😥
I have nothing against Europeans per say, just being told by a bunch of people in Europe - or Westminster for that matter - what I can and can't do. Yes there is a question of things being culturally appropriate or within the law, but a rare burger? Ffs, ok so make people aware of any health issues, but banning its is ridiculous. It's not like smoking is it, whereas I eat it and it affects anyone ales health around me.
Ton, it's more steak haché than a "normal" burger! 🙂
Northwind, the Malet Burger has been on the menu for years, and rightly so! He also does excellent venison, as he's involved with managing the deer on one of the local estates. Beer is always top notch as well!
It is for food safety reasons.
Due to a stringent supply chain, if you eat at my restaurant you can have your burger mid-rare if you ask for it. No matter how much you beg, can't be rare though.
I will never haver a burger anywhere they have too cook it through.
Beer is always top notch as well!
i bet you drink carling really........ 🙁
It's not Eurobollox, steak tartare and rare burgers are widely available in France.
But the French love to stick their fingers up to all the Eurorules!
I must admit, I've always loved my steak very rare - "pull its horns out and wipe its ass!" I always say. But a rare burger has never sat right with me. A bit pink is no problem, but not really rare, no thanks.
How about having steak tartare well done?
"More Eurobollocks. "
yeap that's burgers for you
But the French love to stick their fingers up to all the Eurorules!
Not just France. It's easy to go to a lot of places to notice very quickly the standards aren't up to the uk's interpretation of euro mp madness. Maybe our govermenr feels obliged to enforce it based on the massive contribution (?) we pay.
Kryton57 - MemberNot just France. It's easy to go to a lot of places to notice very quickly the standards aren't up to the uk's interpretation of euro mp madness. Maybe our govermenr feels obliged to enforce it based on the massive contribution (?) we pay.
Or maybe it's just nothing to do with the EU? Quick googling around suggests that it's 100% homegrown
Kryton,
Or maybe it's just nothing to do with the EU? Quick googling around suggests that it's 100% homegrown
It has cock-all to do with Europe.
It's down to individual councils.
My local pub implemented this rule months ago. They reckon it started in France and a few Frenchies spoken to have validated it.
Yes I acknowleged that a few posts above, Rusty.
I've eaten steak tartar in scotland, it must be Anglobollox
The councils are enforcing the rules hence the random implementation country wide. My local council can't be trusted to empty bins but are ahead of the game on stopping qualified chefs from doing what they're trained to do.
I've eaten steak tartar in scotland, it must be Anglobollox
Sorry to disappoint Josh McJock but I had it in Bristol last Saturday. 😀
Oooh, where was that then?
Well if Steak Tartare is still available just order it in a bun.
The Malet Arms is a new pub to me, but I don't know the southern part of the county that well; I'll have to check it out.
Looks like a nice place. 😀
Kryton57 - Member
I have nothing against Europeans per say,
"Per say" you say? Bit like per se mebbies?
Rare meat is tasteless. What next, raw potatoes?
Rare meat is tasteless.
Er, no.
CZ, it's well worth a trip. Cracking food, excellent beer.
Have a quiet word for future visits? Maybe a coded nod/wink/handshake to indicate your preference?
tomhoward - Member
Have a quiet word for future visits? Maybe a coded nod/wink/handshake to indicate your preference?
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I eat steak rare but won't eat tartar or have rare burgers. Treat the outside of a steak as contaminated and give it a flash in the pan (or chemically cook it) but once you mince it or dice it then you transfer what's on the outside to the inside. Hence why I won't touch tartar but I believe you are supposed to prepare it with quite strict hygiene, more than at your normal butchers producing mince.
wallop - MemberOooh, where was that then?
Cote Brasserie in Clifton.
no Eurobollocks is going to stop me eating my raw potatoes. stick it up your bollix Jean-Helmut, that's what I say!!!
Rare meat is tasteless.
The more you cook it the more you destroy the taste.
Côte has had steak tartare on its [url= http://www.cote-restaurants.co.uk/Downloads/Cote%20Menu.pdf ]menu[/url] for as long as I can remember and very nice it is too.
[quote=Kryton57]I have nothing against Europeans per say, just being told by a bunch of people in Europe - or Westminster for that matter - what I can and can't do. Yes there is a question of things being culturally appropriate or within the law, but a rare burger? Ffs, ok so make people aware of any health issues, but banning its is ridiculous. It's not like smoking is it, whereas I eat it and it affects anyone ales health around me.
Doesn't stop the opinion you're holding being bollocks. There's no such EU regulation saying you can't have rare minced beef. As said by several people tartare and filet americain are widely available as are rare beefburgers. That some UK councils have decided that minced beef products should be served well done is bugger all to do with the EU or even the main UK government.
Surely if a pub/restaurant can prove the quality of their meat and overall hygiene etc, I should be able to order it raw if I want to. Grrr.
Seems if you can prove the origin and a good source for your meat then your fine, a good restaurant can do this. If you can't then you providing rare burgers isn't allowed.
http://www.artisanfoodlaw.co.uk/blog/meat/davy’s-put-rare-burgers-back-on-menu
Oops, nothing like messing with someone's pub to set off a barrage of Farage. On the flipside - imagine the chavalanche that would occur if Maccy Ds began serving raw patties and thrice-cooked sweet potato fries w/rocket salad?
My local kills everything in boiling oil. All tastes the same and safe as houses.
If, like Steak Tartare, is is high quality from a single piece of meat, cut up and prepared immediately before serving/cooking then it's not a problem.
If a restaurant or pub won't serve you a rare burger it tells you that they cannot do that, and you definitely shouldn't have it even if they had said they would try to do it rare.
Interesting how more posters here now rightly challenge the "Back-off-Brussels" mob. Although why do we really [i]need [/i]human rights... 😉
Years ago I went to Cranfield University for a product launch and while we were there we went to an excellent pub that had a fishmongers and butcher inside the pub so you could choose your meat or fish of preference and have ot prepared on there hot grill or BBQ in front of you, was one of the best meals Ive had but cannot think what the place was called. Would imagine HS would have something to say about such a setup nowadays, It was the early 90's.
Would imagine HS would have something to say about such a setup nowadays, It was the early 90's.
Would they go mad? Not like the 90's where they'd be mad for it.
atlaz - MemberDoesn't stop the opinion you're holding being bollocks.
Maybe I should have explain myself properly and not jumped to the Euro conclusion before you got out of bed on the wrong side.
I object to people dictating to me that I can't do things, when they go beyond the realms of decency, lawlessness and common sense. By all means I'll accept the warnings and scientific facts explaining risk etc to health, but as long as what I'm doing doesn't affect other's / other's choice to be exposed by my own choices, its my call.
Vis a Vis if I want to go an eat raw mince I will, regardless of what europe/westminster/the local council/anyone else says - its my risk. But I can understand that things like smoking next to someone (i don't smoke) can involuntarily affect thier health - so I wouldn't do it and agree with that principle - in principle.
Ok?
SO if you demanded a restaurant served you chicken tartare, as thats nothing to do with anyone else, happy to pay for private hospital care?!!
I already do, so yes. And the NHS isn't free btw, we all pay for it.
But in reality I'm aware ebough of the health risks of doing that and actually I wouldn't order chicken tartare.
No more steak tartare then.
Would imagine HS would have something to say about such a setup nowadays,
You're not allowed to cook meat any more. You have to gnaw on under steamed veggies. Brussels. 🙁
steak tartate is fine, if, as others have already said, ground fresh and served quickly ( the bacteria has less time to propogate )
If restaurants prepared burgers to order from fresh slabs of chuck that would be great, though probably a bit more expensive
And the NHS isn't free btw, we all pay for it.
great, so why not risk a colon replacement- its split between the rest of us!
No more steak tartare then.
Yes you can as already mentioned in the thread. You also get a rare burger if you want but has to be from a place that can 'vouch' for its meat. If it can't then they may be stopped by local FSA reps who have a public duty to protect people from dodgy food.
Indeed - the same argument could be had for obesity, alcholism, smoking and other self inflicted issues.
no they're complex psychological issues apparently and dont count.
gourmet burgers mmm nom nom. I'm psychologically addicted to thems.
I did have a pork burger cooked by my good self last night, lovely.
not rare though.
perhaps restaurants should just have a waiver form for the discerning customer.
andyl +1
steak yes, burger, not worth it
food poisoning is bloody awful