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just been given a whole of life prison sentence.
anyone else think he should have to serve this in general population ?
Sure he'll get got at some point.
He'd be dead within a week in general
Would mean a significantly shorter sentence in practical terms.
There's a reason these decisions aren't made by people governed by emotion. As much for the sake of the prison staff who have to deal with the fallout.
Be careful what you wish for when justice is left to the mob
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-58733202
There was a criminal psychologist interviewed on BBC Scotland this morning - his opinion is that Couzens' behaviour was not of someone who was committing that type of crime for the first time so had likely performed similar crimes before and was well practiced.
If one of the functions prison serves is to protect the population from dangerous people then I think this was the only sensible and reasonable outcome - the breach of trust alone was awful, let alone what he did to that poor girl.
You can only hope that in years to come, having forgotten what it feels like to spend time with someone who cares about him, he'll be genuinely sorry for what he's done, but regardless he should still die in jail.
Just a broken, sick and awful person.
Just a broken, sick and awful person.
Agreed - I read about the case yesterday. What he did, the way he went about doing it and the almost complete lack of remorse marks him as one of those really evil individuals that us 'normal' people find almost impossible to really comprehend.
anyone else think he should have to serve this in general population ?
Yeah, violent mob justice/death penalty. YES!
Oh wait, I'm not thick, psychopathic, scum, so that would be a no from me.
Oh wait, I’m not thick, psychopathic, scum, so that would be a no from me.
Bit harsh on Tony, what's he ever done to you?
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How this sack of shit has the audacity to claim he shouldn't die behind bars defies all.
After what he did to that poor, poor young woman. He should be given a pint of Dignitas' finest.
I am elated that he will spend the rest of his days without liberty whilst watching his back at every turn.
Unfortunately I believe this elation will be short lived. He'll just keep running head first into the cell wall until his brain haemorrhages with fatal consequences.
I wish him a very, very long and healthy life..... Spent in solitary confinement so he can spend each and every day thinking about and dwelling on what he has done.
Oh wait, I’m not thick, psychopathic, scum, so that would be a no from me.
Bit harsh on Tony, what’s he ever done to you?
yeah i was thinking it was a bit harsh for just asking a question.
obviously this man thought that his victim was sub human. so we should treat offenders like they treat their victims.
rather than paying millions to look after them.
A bit harsh?
I'd be wanting a sincere apology for such a gratuitous, unjustified insults.
I love double-meaning headlines. Like 'prostitutes appeal to Pope' and 'red tape holds up new bridge'
I love double-meaning headlines. Like ‘prostitutes appeal to Pope’ and ‘red tape holds up new bridge’
I'm sure this one could well be brought to fruition...
obviously this man thought that his victim was sub human. so we should treat offenders like they treat their victims.
rather than paying millions to look after them.
What a ridiculous comment.
so we should treat offenders like they treat their victims. rather than paying millions to look after them.
Ok. I have family member who was found guilty of murder (his wife), before being fully exonerated some time later upon discovery of new evidence.
Should we have just let him be murdered inside when he was initially found guilty and saved the hassle?
I wish him a very, very long and healthy life….. Spent in solitary confinement so he can spend each and every day thinking about and dwelling on what he has done.
This for me.
so we should treat offenders like they treat their victims.
Then we'd be no better than they are...
Not to mention all the countless wrongful convictions over the years....
Spent in solitary confinement so he can spend each and every day thinking about and dwelling on what he has done.
That's assuming he actually cares or is capable of remorse...
A bit harsh?
I’d be wanting a sincere apology for such a gratuitous, unjustified insults.
I didn't read Ton's post as meaning he thought that was a good idea, so the insults were certainly not aimed directly at him. Apologies if there were interpreted that way.
The Guardian's 'timeline' goes into forensic detail about his movements and what type of coffee or mcdonalds meals he was buying (hot chocolate with coconut milk) then his phone call to the vets to complain about his french bulldog's seperation anxiety immediately after the murder
besides being very tabloid-y its a disturbing insight into the banality of evil.
It's just too upsetting to think about - the bogus arrest etc. Just awful.
so we should treat offenders like they treat their victims.
toot for the taliban?
Does anyone have an insight into how this kind of offender ticks. (Vincent Tabak, Wayne Cozens)
It wasn't an impulse. So he must have known his chances of getting away with it were low. (ANPR, Cameras on buses etc.)
Do they accept a near certainty of getting caught but think a lifetime w***ing in prison over the memory of the crime is worth it?
Or is my assesment that it's hard to get away with wrong? Do police not investigate these kinds of missing persons very thoroughly, and on this occasion the media interest lead to a massive police effort?
Or does nobody know?
Horrific crime. Makes it more chilling that the poor woman was tricked in that way.
Earlier on the radio I heard Sarah Everard's mother's impact statement that was read out in court. It was heart-breaking. The poor woman's life is clearly devastated.
The whole tragedy and apparent continuation of violence against young innocent women (as in the case of Sabina Nessa) is deeply unsettling.
Difficult not to want the worst for Couzens and his type.
Does anyone have an insight into how this kind of offender ticks. (Vincent Tabak, Wayne Cozens)
It wasn’t an impulse. So he must have known his chances of getting away with it were low. (ANPR, Cameras on buses etc.)
Do they think a lifetime w***ing in prison over the memory of the crime is worth it? Or do they think the chance of getting caught it worth taking?
Or is my assesment that it’s hard to get away with wrong? Do police not investigate these kinds of missing persons very thoroughly, and on this occasion the media interest lead to a massive police effort?
Or does nobody know?
Horrific crime. Makes it more chilling that the poor woman was tricked in that way.
the criminal psychologist on the radio this morning opinion was that his behaviours were practiced, it was unlikely this was the first time he has done such a crime and that the police should be looking into more unsolved murders and checking Couzens' whereabouts during them.
Does anyone have an insight into how this kind of offender ticks.
Dictionary definition of psychopathy. Frequently the offender also has the kind of self-aggrandisement/narcissism which makes them believe that they will never be caught.
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Free MemberThe Guardian’s ‘timeline’ goes into forensic detail about his movements and what type of coffee or mcdonalds meals he was buying (hot chocolate with coconut milk) then his phone call to the vets to complain about his french bulldog’s seperation anxiety immediately after the murder
besides being very tabloid-y its a disturbing insight into the banality of evil.
Then you hear/realise that he has a wife and two kids, and took them all to the same woods the next morning. Impossible to put yourself into that kind of thinking
so we should treat offenders like they treat their victims.
Then we’d be no better than they are…
Very much this. Doesn't seem to be an issue of wrong conviction here, but I'm not sure society lowering itself to that level would benefit wider society in the longer term.
I totally understand the desire to see him suffer in revenge, but can't support it. I suspect the rest of his time in prison will be spent in fear, and no doubt he will be attacked at some point.
I did wonder if there were more offences preceding this one, seems a very sudden descent into evil if this was the first time he'd attacked.
I wish him a very, very long and healthy life….. Spent in solitary confinement so he can spend each and every day thinking about and dwelling on what he has done.
I'd go for a painful, slow burning, inoperable/untreatable cancer
Edit: Along with a severe intolerance to painkillers
A serious question:
As he's a copper, with all the implications that implies for making him a target to the rest of the prison population, does this mean he'll be in with the nonces?
self-aggrandisement/narcissism which makes them believe that they will never be caught.
That makes sense. I suppose if you can have a form of madness that stops you valuing the lives of others you can equally have a form of madness that makes you think you can't get caught.
As he’s a copper, with all the implications that implies for making him a target to the rest of the prison population, does this mean he’ll be in with the nonces?
Probably, he has a right to be kept safe and the prison service will do their best to achieve that.
I did wonder if there were more offences preceding this one, seems a very sudden descent into evil if this was the first time he’d attacked.
I suspect they will have delved very carefully into his past and found nothing they could attach to him. (Which doesn't mean he hasn't done it.) but if he'd got away with this one I'd bet there would have been future ones, which is pretty chilling.
a form of madness
It's important to remember that this is a severe personality disorder, not a type of mental illness that can potentially be treated or cured. It will never be safe to release him from prison, so the whole life term is appropriate in this case.
As he’s a copper, with all the implications that implies for making him a target to the rest of the prison population, does this mean he’ll be in with the nonces?
Yep hes gonna have an extremely lonely existence for the next 40 years as it will just be too dangerous to mix him with others. He totally doesn't deserve to be out in public it was a horrific miss use of power and apart from his outcome the whole thing is just tragic. I also feel sorry for his family I think hes got two kids imagine their life at school its just going to be awful.
It’s important to remember that this is a severe personality disorder, not a type of mental illness that can potentially be treated or cured. It will never be safe to release him from prison, so the whole life term is appropriate in this case.
I wasn't for one second suggesting he was curable or that a whole life sentence wasn't necassary and appropriate, just as it was for Vincent Tabac who's crime seems similar to me in its level of planning.
I suspect they will have delved very carefully into his past and found nothing they could attach to him. (Which doesn’t mean he hasn’t done it.) but if he’d got away with this one I’d bet there would have been future ones, which is pretty chilling.
You'd have thought so, but they know they've got plenty of time, and cold cases by their nature are very slow-burners.
I worked on a murder in 2000. The nature of the offence was thought to indicate a repeat if not serial offender, and by the time we had convicted him there was already a list of other offences to investigate by the follow-up cold-case team. It took several years to build enough of a case to convict him of a series of rapes dating back to the 1980s, but it didn't stop there. Advances in DNA and other evidential procedures means that the forensic re-examination of previously archived evidence can yield results decades later, and no stone will be left unturned.
I was last contacted by the investigating team for that person in 2019, so don't think we've heard the last of Couzens yet.
Wow, have avoided reading anything about the killer copper till now, and just read the writeup on BBC and absolutely horrendous,surely there was something in his demenour that showed he was a sadistic killer, to his workmates and freinds.
Its going to be an absolutely horrendous time for his wife and 2 kids, and lets hope they get support trough all the backlash and name calling.
surely there was something in his demenour that showed he was a sadistic killer, to his workmates and friends.
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I’m sure I read his nickname with colleagues was ‘the rapist’.
Edit: It was his previous police role: https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/wayne-couzens-nickname-met-police-sarah-everard-b945119.html
I would like to know why he was still a policeman considering the issues of flashing and apparently his nickname was rapist really a police officer.
You’d have thought so, but they know they’ve got plenty of time, and cold cases by their nature are very slow-burners.
Good point. That work could easily be in the future.
I heard the sentencing report on the radio at lunchtime. Apparently the one time he showed anything approaching much actual remorse was when the judge mentioned his family. Didn't seem to give much of a toss about hers.
I can't see him lasting 12 months. If he doesn't take his own life, some bigger bastard than he is will take it for him, "protection" or no.
I wouldn't be surprised if this is the tip of the iceberg and he turns out to be another Shipman when they start really digging. There's no way this is a one-off occurrence.
I don't have words to describe this scumbag.
Cougar I think he will be fine in prison they have special places for people like him.
Indeed. Late 40's is very late to start a career as a rapist-murderer.
Cougar I think he will be fine in prison they have special places for people like him.
To be fair, I know very little about the inner workings of the prison system. But I can't imagine he'll have many sympathetic friends on either side of the bars.
What is likely to happen to him? They can't have him in solitary for the next 40 years, surely?