[Closed] Rant of the day - burning the Guy

Daily Mail is that way —->

how long has that rant been brewing? Lose sleep over it? Have you been to the local paper to voice your outrage?

Wow ...get over it ..

Good job you don't live in Lewes.

It's a bold sales pitch but I think "Penny for the campaign to end the oppression of one dead guy by burning effigies of an entire race of people who are still very much alive and will probably be quite angry about it" just isn't as snappy.

I'm out.

I’m the victim here.
My Poppy rant was top of the page , now someone just had to out rant me.
Today was MY day.

Pray for zippykona.

Go on Drac, delete his account.
I’ll show you my invention.

Can't we just hang , draw and quarter them instead ? Would be a lot quieter 🙄

Burn em all I say. And the horses they rode in on.

I can't beleive that Murray engaged in such problematic bullying of Zippykona.

We should remove all other threads from the front page so that zippy can have a safe space.

#PatriarchyInAction

[i]Burn em all I say. And the horses they rode in on. [/i]

that 'r' next to an 'n' making an 'm' thing strikes again.

Would need steps.

Are dinosaurs off limits....
Or just a Guy that's dressed like a middle class white male in IT management.

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The point is: HE WASN’T BURNT AT THE STAKE. He was hung, drawn and quartered. I want to know why we are burning an effigy of a Catholic when we should be ritually disembowelling it instead. That’s what really boils my pee!!!

[i]That’s what really boils my pee!!! [/i]

So burning at the stake boils your pee but disemboweling doesn't? Makes sense.

The clue is in the name: [u][b]primary school[/b][/u].

If she was doing a History Degree I'd agree "Guy Fawkes was a baddie" was an over simplistic narrative.

Having said that my Daughter (reception class) was taught that Guy Fawkes was the baddie, but he wanted to kill king because the king had been mean to him and people like him which I thought was about the right level.

primary school are having a competition for best Guy to be burnt at the fireworks evening

Hope you're top to the list... For your daughters sake, I hope this is a wind up.

It's a sad day when we can't celebrate religious persecution, terrorism, torture and capital punishment.

My kids love fires and stuff being burnt, even more so when they have made it. Oddly, my older daughter's have now realised there may be some issue's with the whole Guy Fawkes story, but it doesn't appear to have caused them any mental anguish. In fact, it just opens up a path for some interesting debate, whilst all getting together for a big fire and some fireworks, food and booze. It's great. Some folk can really suck the fun out of life.

So what day are we having November the 5th this year ?
On the Friday or the Saturday ? 🙄

Bit like the Halloween parties on the weekend just gone 😆

Having said that my Daughter (reception class) was taught that Guy Fawkes was the baddie, but he wanted to kill king because the king had been mean to him and people like him which I thought was about the right level.

That sounds the right level to me too.

how long has that rant been brewing?

Since the op started watching 'gunpowder' and found out what it was really about, and that he had an opportunity to be outraged.

So what day are we having November the 5th this year ?

Going in previous years itll last about 3 weeks, just in time for the New Years fireworks to start.

The clue is in the name: primary school.

Don't dumb it down too much. These kids can watch movies and understand the plots with a bit of prompting, and have been listening to stories their whole lives.

Just tell the story. You don't have to dissect the theological and political implications of it, but it's pretty straightforward to give the kids a bit of background. My 8yo already knows about the reformation because we explained it when she did Henry VIII at school. He didn't like the Pope telling him what to do. So now we know about Protestants and Catholics, and they didn't like each other cos they argued a lot.

Are we allowed to just award ourselves the "Rant of the Day" title.

Well you've all just knackered the suspense in my Saturday night viewing

to be fair, I think celebrating anyone being burned alive and celebrating people bombing other people is pretty horrific.

Can we bring it up to date and torture the 'guy' at a CIA black Ops site and then blow it up from a distance with a Brimstone missile fired from a drone?

To be fair, I'm not sure people are 'celebrating' those things, I think most people are just observing a custom/ tradition for the sake of having a nice time. As noted by those above, this can actually facilitate some discussion on the subject, which could itself be positive in many ways.

im pretty sure last year, guy forks just tried to blow up parliament and we celebrated his efforts. not convinced about the imaginary deity spin tbh but its a bit different.

He wasn't burnt alive for being of a particular faith, but for trying to blow up Parliament.

Does your daughter think it's a travesty, or does she just want to have fun building a cool scarecrow they can burn and win a prize?

He wasn't burnt alive for being of a particular faith, but for trying to blow up Parliament.

He wasn’t burnt alive.

The point is: HE WASN’T BURNT AT THE STAKE. He was hung, drawn and quartered. I want to know why we are burning an effigy of a Catholic when we should be ritually disembowelling it instead. That’s what really boils my pee!!!

He wasn't hung drawn and quartered either. He jumped off the scaffold and broke his neck to avoid it.

He wasn't hung drawn and quartered either. He jumped off the scaffold and broke his neck to avoid it.

Errrr! He was.

I think some of you need to see Molgrips after school.

I thought the burning of him was to represent what would have happened, had he succeeded? To give him what he wanted, sort of.

Errrr! He was.

Well, he was, but he was dead, which wasn't really the point of the punishment.

He wasn’t burnt alive.

Whatever, I am not that familiar with the details, but he was killed (by whatever method) for his deeds, not his faith so the OP concern over Jews/Muslims etc shouldn't be a consideration.

Nelson Mandela was imprisoned for his 'deeds'.

Depends a lot on how you categorise crime and whether the regime that is doing the judging is, broadly speaking, criminal in itself.

Real life is rarely so clear-cut.

Just sayin like.

Nelson Mandela was imprisoned for his 'deeds'.

That's because he was a terrorist. Margaret Thatcher said so.

Well, he was, but he was dead, which wasn't really the point of the punishment.

He was quartered and the parts placed around the UK which is was a warning to others, that’s the point of being quartered and why they still proceeded with it. Apart from that the fact being he was quartered of course.

Whatever, I am not that familiar with the details, but he was killed (by whatever method) for his deeds, not his faith so the OP concern over Jews/Muslims etc shouldn't be a consideration.

Ah! That’s why you don’t know why he was trying to kill the king then, so he could restore a catholic monarch to allowing catholicism to be preached again.

Apparently, in the 17th century, they used to stuff their Guys with live kittens so there would be realistic screams when burnt.

Imagine the uproar if the BBC tried to show that on TV.

better with baby robins, more authentic cries you see.

My kids love fires and stuff being burnt,

HA! Arsonists in the making, was it them that set fire to that tree in the 'tree burning' thread? Was it, WAS IT?

Anyway, Guy Forks was the only bloke to ever go near parliament with honourable intentions.

honourable intentions

Pretty sure it’s ’honest’...

Anyway, Guy Forks was the only bloke to ever go near parliament with honourable intentions.

Anyway, Guy Forks was the only bloke to ever go near parliament with honourable intentions.

Is that a spoonerism?

My Poppy rant was top of the page

I'll post on it to try and bring it back 😀

Well, he was, but he was dead, which wasn't really the point of the punishment.

He was quartered and the parts placed around the UK which is was a warning to others, that’s the point of being quartered and why they still proceeded with it. Apart from that the fact being he was quartered of course.

Being disemboweled and chopped into quarters while still alive is a bit different to when your are dead. They didn't hang you till dead, just strangled you for a while, then on to phase 2 & 3.

Thanks for that insight Neil I’d have thought it would much less painful if you were alive. Live and learn ay.

ransos - Member

Nelson Mandela was imprisoned for his 'deeds'.

That's because he was a terrorist. Margaret Thatcher said so.

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Aye, put that along side her government's dealings with Pinochet as a legitimate leader of a nation and you begin to see 'problematic' inconsistencies. It's almost like self-interest and ideology often trump what is right..........

Another side to the quartering was then the person could not be laid to rest in accordance with their faith, resulting in damnation of the soul, eternity of purgatory, etc.

I hope there was a 14 day cooling off period between deciding to burn and actually burning him? What would happen if he wanted to change jobs?

Also true Neil witch was another reason they still went ahead, although I’m not sure of that stands for catholics?

I really don't think that the majority of people are celebrating the death of a Roman Catholic when they think of burning the Guy - more about celebrating the death of a traitor.

Not sure the Catholic Church needs or deserves any protection from offence after the number of people they've put to death over the centuries. There cannot be many or any other institution with more blood on their hands.

He was [s]hung[/s] [b]hanged[/b], drawn and quartered.

Meat is hung, people are hanged.

What do I win?

What do I win?

A pendant.

Is that a spoonerism?

No.

'You have hissed all my mystery lessons & tasted half the worm'.

That is. 😆

Some right pedants in today!

hang on a sec, shouldn't it be hung drawn and 'fifths' 2 arms, 2 legs.. and the head, torso? what gives? id Google it but I'm on lunch and don't want to be fired.

Well if we’re being pendantic Guy Fawkes was drawn before he was hanged as it does not just mean having you bowels cut out.

hang on a sec, shouldn't it be hung drawn and 'fifths' 2 arms, 2 legs.. and the head, torso? what gives? id Google it but I'm on lunch and don't want to be fired.

They were cut in 4 in various ways.

we could go back to burning effigies of Thatcher, like what we used to up North back in the day

yet another victim of religion and politics getting mixed up

To be fair, in the seventeenth century there wasn't much difference between the two.

Not sure the Catholic Church needs or deserves any protection from offence after the number of people they've put to death over the centuries. There cannot be many or any other institution with more blood on their hands.

I may have this wrong but I always thought Guy Fawkes was a foreign mercenary brought in for his knowledge of gunpowder, not because of his religious beliefs, and wasn't actually one of the main movers in the plot. Just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

They were cut in 4 in various ways.

Im not having it. I will report back in the morning with the aid of my child's doll and possibly annotated photographs. Stand by.

I notice all this hanged drawn and quartered bit has been watered down a so as not to offend modern sensibilities.

They always miss out the bit where your gentleman's package is sliced off and burnt before your eyes.

They wouldn't show that on the BBC either.

I may have this wrong but I always thought Guy Fawkes was a foreign mercenary

He was from the foreign lands of Yorkshire, lived on Spain for a bit though.

I may have this wrong but I always thought Guy Fawkes was a foreign mercenary brought in for his knowledge of gunpowder, not because of his religious beliefs, and wasn't actually one of the main movers in the plot.

Yup. He was British but had been a soldier abroad most of his life. He was a bit player in the plot and was specifically chosen to be on site to light the fuse because he was an outsider and wouldn't be recognized. Catesby would have been instantly recognized.

Or that's what current Historians say. No doubt a completely different revision will come out and they'll all sell a load of books claiming Fawkes was a key player who had lived in in London all his life. That's how Historians make a living. 😀

Cheers for that. Don't know why but I was sure he was Dutch.

They always miss out the bit where your gentleman's package is sliced off and burnt before your eyes.

They wouldn't show that on the BBC either.

it would fill the GBBO void. Just saying. "Great British Boll*ck Off"

...it writes itself, I for one think its got legs. Unlike GF. Get Nick Knowles on the line will you?

Don't know why but I was sure he was Dutch.

His fancy hat?

Ah! That’s why you don’t know why he was trying to kill the king then, so he could restore a catholic monarch to allowing catholicism to be preached again.

Didn't they all have fancy hats? Fawkes from York, sold his estate and left to fight for Spain against the Dutch, and adopted the name Guido while there.

He was executed for treason and heresy, no bigger crimes at the time. Although many also received the same punishment just for being Catholic.

Unless you are going to tell me that the Government at the time went around chopping up and burning thousands of Catholics just for being Catholic?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Catholicism_in_the_United_Kingdom

I for one think its got legs. Unlike GF.

😆 😆

johndoh - Member

Ah! That’s why you don’t know why he was trying to kill the king then, so he could restore a catholic monarch to allowing catholicism to be preached again.

Perhaps. But the point stands that he wasn't killed for his faith but for his deeds. Unless you are going to tell me that the Government at the time went around chopping up and burning thousands of Catholics just for being Catholic?

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Either brilliant at trolling or very poor at history - I can't make my mind up on this one - so either a tip of the hat to you sir, or a D- for History.

he was an infamous traitor.

He tried to blow up the houses of paedos aka parliament didn't he? I want to know why he isn't heralded as a hero