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Blimey! The restrictions placed on some of the kids here sound little short of incarceration 😯
[quote=DaveyBoyWonder ]My eldest is nearly 6
Well that answers the question I was going to ask. Just finished year R then? You'll find they grow up a lot in the next few years (if you let them). I was keeping a very close eye on my oldest at that age, but things are different with my youngest just a year older than that.
I'd be interested to know how much freedom people on here had as kids compared to how much they give their own kids. And why.
Were you a carefree leaf on the wind and want to give your children the same thing?
Or were you feral and don't want feral kids?
Or were you carefully supervised till your 18th birthday before being carefully introduced into a protective habitat?
GrahamS - While I recognise the freedom I had in childhood, we do live in a changed world. Particularly with traffic and online risks.
I wonder how many of us who are concerned enough to restrict our children outside, also have similar strict approaches to online safety and viewing? Sadly, I know of a good few 10-15 year olds who have viewed some pretty hardcore porn, a few who are addicted at 12/13. I also know that a good proportion of 10yr old+ children view 18 horror/war/graphic films. I would argue the risk of harm from this kind of behaviour is greater than being active, social and responsible outside.
Oh, and you should all read this.
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I've just been looking after my two boy nephews, had them for over a week now, 6 and 8yrs.
Dear God 😯
How do you Parents cope? No, seriously ? 😯
luckily I'm handing them back today... 😆
The question raised by the OP is a good one. I've a place on the coast thats in a very quiet area near a stunning location by the River and Beach. Taking that into consideration I see (on my rides etc. and sailing) literally hundreds of kids about 8/9/10+ out on their own or with other kids the same age. I see all the risks associated with this area, strong tides, boats, rope swings into the River, shingle beaches and of course the Sea itself. As is, it's a fairly benign place if you know what you are involved with.
A couple of weeks ago, just before the kids broke up from school a young lad (10) drowned in a slouce gate from one of the many pools by the River. It happens, so sad, they were jumping off the bridge into the River and he got trapped..
When I was young I was able to run wild, I lived in Fort Lauderdale FL, and in a similar environment to where I live now. We were taught from an early age about Croc's/Gaters and the myriad of snakes and nasty spiders.. Did this stop us from swimming and playiing out until the Sun went down? Nope. Did we build rafts from reeds and plantation crops, damn right we did.
Also, I'm a Dinghy Instructor and Windsurfing Instructor and hold a Yachtmaster Cert, taken kids all sorts of places in boats and boards, ages from 5 through to mid teens and enjoyed having them as company and teaching them the ways of the Sea etc. Many years have I done this and when I retire, this is what I'll continue to do.
Knowing all this, I'd never let my nephews out alone. But thats more a reflection of the fact that I seriously don;t think they're mature enough to cope with daily life, never mind the myriad of risks out there 😯 A total reflection of their Parents they are 🙄
[quote=bikebouy ]A couple of weeks ago, just before the kids broke up from school a young lad (10) drowned in a slouce gate from one of the many pools by the River. It happens, so sad, they were jumping off the bridge into the River and he got trapped..
How many kids have been killed on the roads since the previous time one drowned playing in the river? (I know you weren't suggesting kids shouldn't do that because it's too dangerous, but thought the point needed making)
codybrennan - Member
My girls (2 of them) do about 99% of the things that boys do, and the rest they just discard because they're too sensible.
Which kind of makes my point about the er 'quality' of todays ball free boys...
And do you know what, the girls of course have total respect for the [s]weeners[/s] city boys, soccer divers, emotional 'retards' and other blubberers from Gazza down.
Which kind of makes my point about the er 'quality' of todays ball free boys...
OK, I'm going to say it - you sound like a bellend. I pity your poor repressed 18yr old daughter who has such a plonker for a father.
My poor aunt grew up not allowed to go the university like her younger brother (my father) or allowed to learn to drive because her father didn't think it was right for a woman. But that was in the 60's and I'd hoped the like had died out with my grandfather's generation. It sounds like you could be a throwback.
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[b]Which kind of makes my point[/b] about the er 'quality' of todays ball free boys...
And do you know what, the girls of course have total respect for the weeners city boys, soccer divers, emotional 'retards' and other blubberers from Gazza down.
Are you sure there is actually a point ?
It really doesn't come across that way at all.
OK, I'm going to say it - you sound like a bellend
You might as well say it.
Everyone else is already thinking it.
So basically your "point" is that boys should have greater freedoms and do more exciting things than girls?
Because testicles.
Sounds like the Lannister household is a rare beacon of progressive equality. 😆
convert - Member
Which kind of makes my point about the er 'quality' of todays ball free boys...
OK, I'm going to say it - you sound like a bellend. I pity your poor repressed 18yr old daughter who has such a plonker for a father.
I'm sure my 'repressed' daughter would fully agree on the bellend comment, but that is not the point I'm making. I've brought up four daughters, they all windsurf, mountain bike, can snowboard rings round most of their contemporarys, but that doesn't mean the male of the species should be deliberately dumbed down to equal them, which is my point.
Whichever way you play it, boys and girls are not the same, were never supposed to be the same and other than a few, don't actually want to be the same. That doesn't mean they shouldn't be given every opportunity to do what the **** they like, but not letting boys sort out their own differences doesn't exactly prepare them for the realities of life further down the path, nor preventing them playing with knives, axes under supervision (reference here to Boy Scouts banning sheath knives and the carrying of hand axes)and all manner of other ridiculous supervisory limitations that have come to pass down the years.
And back on topic whilst it was a tragedy that will have wreaked a terrible effect on the parents I would not add to that grief by holier than thou protestations of better parenting authority buoyed up by this ludicrous pc climate we now find ourselves in.
(tyrionl1 == derekrides, yes?)
Not sure this day & age, I was often going missing down the fields when I was 7 & was always getting told off by mum & dad (1963).
Not sure what people mean by "this day and age". Doesn't the evidence show that kids are safer today than they were in the 1960s?
All I was doing outlining the recent death on the River, was that it happens and the kid was 10.
I rode passed the flowers on the bridge and read the postcards and such, then just down the River there were a bunch of kids swinging from a rope into the River and I stopped and asked them about it, it was one of their friends from school..
Got no idea about Road Deaths TBH.
that doesn't mean the male of the species should be deliberately dumbed down to equal them, which is my point.
So to you equality means dumbing down boys to level of girls?
Wow!
Give him a break, he is an oppressed white male in a black lesbian female ruled world.
GrahamS - Member
that doesn't mean the male of the species should be deliberately dumbed down to equal them, which is my point.
Wow!
So? Are you not suggesting that young lads of today do not experience greater restrictions as a result? Even though it is also true more adventurous would be axe wielding girlies are also swept up in the same trap?
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GrahamS - Member
that doesn't mean the male of the species should be deliberately dumbed down to equal them, which is my point.
So to you equality means dumbing down boys to level of girls?Wow!
No it means that just because we offer equal opportunity to all, that 'opportunity' should not be over restricted with cotton wool.
what are these restrictions?
The only thing I can think of (and the only one you've mentioned) is the restriction on carrying knives... which if you remember came about cos ickle hormonal teenagers were slaying each other with them on a weekly basis..
we do live in a changed world. Particularly with traffic and online risks.
They can't play out because of online risks? By that logic surely outside is the safest place for them?
(tyrionl1 == derekrides, yes?)
That's been the consensus here for a while now, yes. Nice to have confirmation, I expect this alter-ego's days on the forum have just come to a middle.
Ever feel like you're playing whack-a-mole?
Your first post:-
Don't even like my 18 yr old daughter going out now, but did remark to Mrs Lannister after the news, that boys are different and it's a shame the idea of a seven year old out playing so far from home is bound to be frowned on by the mollycoddlers these days and there will be some serious tutting and handwringing, but...
So, just to clarify.....
You appear to believe that giving freedom to explore is a good thing (I do too) and that it's only mollycoddling handwringers that have stopped this. You had 4 children and were able to parent as you wished and had they been boys they would have been free to roam that sort of distance from home (as you are not a mollycoddling handwringer - of boys) but as they were girls they weren't. Because testicles(sorry, stolen from GrahamS as I couldn't come up with anything better!).
sounds like we have a maniacal sexist knife-wielding mollycoddler on our hands
yunki - Member
what are these restrictions?
Well the obvious one is that which is under discussion, wether or not 'they' get to roam free, as to the rest, quite honestly the only ones that spring to mind were the boy scouts since that body I always felt brought a controlled sense of adventure to that age group, with the chopping down trees, building fires and general scout craft which believe me is lost these days as a young man of my acquaintance a scout leader frequently points out to me.
Conkers? Did I not read they can't play conkers. Then Sports Day? It was called Shorts Day and there were no winners and losers, that'll really set you up for life.
[i] Quick straw poll?[/i]
Not anymore. It's now turned into a full-on, STW Thermonuclear pitch-fork-athon. Again.
tyrionl1 - Member
codybrennan - Member
My girls (2 of them) do about 99% of the things that boys do, and the rest they just discard because they're too sensible.
Which kind of makes my point about the er 'quality' of todays ball free boys...
No, just proves that equality has kicked in. My girls ride bikes, climb trees, get into scrapes, have fights, break bones. Just as my friends and I did as boys.
We'll never win arguments on the internet with perfect strangers of course, but if you think that boys have to do be doing things with are somehow more quintessentially 'male' than girls these days, you'll struggle to find activities.
Oh, and they camp with their mothers Guides too, build fires, pitch tents, have fun. Are you feeling outnumbered yet?
No it means that just because we offer equal opportunity to all, that 'opportunity' should not be over restricted with cotton wool.
You are conflating two completely different things there.
I've never come across anyone (sensible) saying [i]"we can't let boys do X any more because girls can't do it so letting boys do it would be sexist"[/i].
That's not a reasonable argument - primarily because who says "girls can't do X"
Nice to have confirmation, I expect this alter-ego's days on the forum have just come to a middle.
Not confirming - just seems like a strangely familiar character-trait. FWIW, much as I disagree with his opinion I don't think he has said or done anything particularly hammer-worthy.
Is that's shorts day thing even true or did you just read it somewhere..?
It was definitely sports day earlier on in the year at my kid's school and there was medals and everything 😕
Our local forest school is running some lovely sessions over the holidays too, for kids 3 and over to mess around with fires and saws and stuff..
I'm confused
Maybe they're just not letting [i]your[/i] family get involved?
Conkers? Did I not read they can't play conkers. Then Sports Day? It was called Shorts Day and there were no winners and losers, that'll really set you up for life.
Stop reading the Daily Mail. 🙄
Conkers? Did I not read they can't play conkers. Then Sports Day? It was called Shorts Day and there were no winners and losers,
Its in the EU legislation next to the bit about straight bananas
Is that's shorts day thing even true or did you just read it somewhere..?
I believe it's held during Winterval. 😉
[s]derekrides[/s] [s]that windsurf shop owner or whatever it was[/s] tyrionl1 I've been helping at a local cub group (7-10 year old boys and, shock horror, girls). They've been using sheath knives, done fire lighting and cooked over an open fire. I'll let them know they're banned from it.
Shorts day it was most definitely called at my then 11 year olds primary school and at the same time, my pal who's son he felt was being 'molycoddled' the pal being an ex para military sort and probably co source of boys being dumbed down intel. There was no competition, it was all teams and no winners, no losers, sorry a fact, along with the no sheath knives no axes scouts thing. Conkers however were not banned and girls and boys played equally, but I gather elsewhere were not as lucky.
This is red herringing and you appear to have your dereks crossed, my real name isn't derek, nor ever has been.
Think I'm leaving this now, not looking for accusations of troll or a thought crime ban.
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Heres a hyperthetical question for you before you go. If the Para mentioned above could have instigated a high stakes game of pass the parcel with some hand grenades. To toughen the liittle buggers up.. would the girls have been allowed to play?
Actual 😆 at that, yunki, thanks for that. (-:
Conkers however were not banned and girls and boys played equally, but I gather elsewhere were not as lucky.
The Daily Mail story: [url= http://www.****/news/article-1378251/One-schools-ban-conkers-elf-n-safety-fears--leapfrog-marbles-threat.html ]One in six schools bans conkers over elf 'n' safety fears - and leapfrog and marbles are also under threat[/url]
The Grauniad: [url= http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2009/dec/09/conkers-goggles-myth-health-safety ]The conkers-with-goggles story was a myth. I know – I started it[/url]
The HSE reality: [url= http://www.hse.gov.uk/myth/september.htm ][b]Myth[/b]: Kids must wear goggles to play conkers: ".. the risk from playing conkers is incredibly low and just not worth bothering about"[/url]
This is red herringing and you appear to have your dereks crossed, my real name isn't derek, nor ever has been.
It should be pointed out that [url= http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/what-is-the-point-of-the-national-speed-limit-sign/page/2#post-7059450 ]we established on a different thread that tyionl1 is in his late 60's to early 70's[/url].
I seem to remember derekrides was a fair bit younger than that, so either he is a deep-cover method-troll or they are separate folk. I'm not sure which.
My pleasure cougar - although feeling a bit guilty about not respecting my elders now in light of Graham's link to the driving thread 😳
Generally we played out on the street locally, cul-de-sac just around the corner, quiet estate, back in the mid to late 7Os...i played out from the age of 4 until 10, as the years went on we tended to gravitate a little further out - even further out to parks to play with primary school friends at 10 onwards.
I organised a 3 stage, one day tour de kinver race when we were all about about 13, it involved cycling miles from home, along main roads and all sorts.
There were a lot less cars around then, but i don't feel its any more dangerous on the street apart from that.
I was in more danger from one of my mates who got his hands on a pen knife one day and seemed more intent on scaring us with it!!! lol
I'd say once they are at secondary school they are easily old enough to look after themselves.
Wrapping them in cotton wool does more harm than good in my eyes and could potentially lead to issues later on.
(reference here to Boy Scouts banning sheath knives and the carrying of hand axes)
Think that might have more to do with legalities and insurance than boys being hand wringers these days.
That story is very worrying.
I grew up on the grounds of mental hospital, as it was thus called back then, there was old farm buildings, fields and woods surrounding it and town was 1.5 miles away. At a very young age I was allowed out to play in the 'streets' there was no real streets but really, this was in a a very small radius.
At age 4 we moved to a large house on the grounds which was next to the old farm buildings. There was an old granary with an uncovered floor hatch, my parents asked us to keep away if we were playing in there. The inevitable happened I got too adventurous playing excitably nearby with my toy cars one went near the hole. I ran over to pick it up and fell down the hole 30' onto concrete. Smashed my skull and spent the entire school holidays in hospital and many months/years recovering.
We were still allowed to play outside in the grounds but my parents learnt a hard lesson. As we got older were allowed further afield at age 8 my brother 11 we were allowed to go into town but had to be back strict times.
Irony of it all was that in this hospital were know paedophiles who had been incarcerated many years before into the hospital as was the norm then. My Dad would tell us to keep away from certain 'patients' if they are we were on our own.
Oh and my kids take conkers to school every year and I've never heard of shorts day.
quite honestly the only ones that spring to mind were the boy scouts since that body I always felt brought a controlled sense of adventure to that age group, with the chopping down trees, building fires and general scout craft which believe me is lost these days as a young man of my acquaintance a scout leader frequently points out to me.
Maybe your acquaintance should remind you it's not the boy scouts, just The Scouts, as all are welcome and treated equally. Also knife, axe and bush craft skills are taught.