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I really don't get why folk are dissing the programme.
It's not aimed at folk like us, and I certainly learnt something.
who is it aimed at?
who is it aimed at?
Idiots that buy energy drinks?
I must confess that I sometimes buy Lucozade Sport after cycling, but that's because I like the taste and it quenches my thirst.
Aimed at folk perhaps less cynical/educated/aware than users of a middle class sports forum?
Aimed at folk perhaps less cynical/educated/aware than users of a middle class sports forum?
Have you been playing away? What is this sports forum you speak of?
Sorry, "buyers of overpriced overmarketed sports products" forum 😀
But Always taste really vile, especially the red ones
I don't think they're a sports supplement, I was under the impression that they are a liniment. And they're blue according to the ads.
@ Bruce Wee..Two pints of Guinness and a bag of chips every night was what fuelled Andy Mcnab through SAS selection.
So in conclusion:
A) Non diet Sports drinks may be of assistance to endurance athletes performing beyond 1 hour
B) drink when your body tells you to
C) sexy trainers is for kids and don't benefit athletes
D) supplements are no better than normal food, but there convienience is in the eye of the beholder
E) jam sandwiches FTW
Have i got that right?
Obree was class. The science behind perfect jam sarnie construction (note: no butter) plus his post-ride sardines on toast with microwaved broccoli...
Also liked the S African prof cracking up when asked about 'low calorie' sports drinks...
It wasn't a desperately bad programme by Panorama standards, and although sports drinks/supplements are a pretty easy target, the message hasn't really got through to the majority of punters.
I tend to avoid programmes that can be lumped into the category of "Expose on something a person of average intelligence would know but idiots think is a problem".
when asked about 'low calorie' sports drinks...
Ah, that would be this stuff called "water" then.
Actually I was surprised to learn that there had never been a death associated with dehydration in marathon races but 16 deaths (and countless injuries) associated with overhydration.
And I'm also surprised to see that the NHS still maintains the claim that people should aim to drink six to eight glasses of water a day, although they do warn of the risk of too much water :
[i]Avoid dehydration
Always drink plenty of water when you exercise to prevent dehydration. If you become dehydrated, your physical and mental fitness will be impaired.
Aim to drink one glass of water for every 20 minutes of exercise. This should be in addition to drinking the recommended six to eight glasses (1.2 litres) of water a day. If you exercise in warm weather, or participate in endurance sports, you will need to drink more.[/i]
http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/sports-injuries/pages/prevention.aspx
TBH I see very little difference between those who are conned into buying useless products which are no benefit to them at all through clever marketing, such as calorie-free water, and those who are conned through clever marketing into voting for completely useless government policies which are also of no benefit to them at all.
Capitalism has always excelled in taking people for suckers.
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So is it worth wasting an hour of my time?
Its sat on my iplayer.
So is it worth wasting an hour of my time?
I'd go for it, I thought it was quite informative and interesting.
I'd say watch it.
I just enjoyed knowing I'd been right all along. Despite what all the clever people say on here... a surprising number of forumites and fitness enthusiasts buy into all the supplement shite.
So Ernie, a few too many powerades last night? From the Harwood thread....
ernie_lynch - Member
I think probably only Zulu-eleven would try to claim that and turn this into a right v left issue.
..followed above by
ernie_lynch - Member
Capitalism has always excelled in taking people for suckers.
Why stop there....surely this is one for your Law to be invoked?
edit - BTW, probably is worth watching and IMO better than the earlier posts here predicted. As an ultra runner, it always irritated me the way that the (public body !?!) BBC would give out the wrong information about hydration for years in a row, without challenge. Hopefully that will be addressed now.
Love the irony of this thread headed by the SIS flash advertising on this website. what was it 40% better...
...so STW, are you happy with this claim and therefore happy to take money for this kind of advertising?
So you were right twice in one day then?! 😀I just enjoyed knowing I'd been right all along
I enjoyed the programme and it felt good to have my choices affirmed.
For very long rides I use cheese, sultana and mayo on gluten-free bread sarnies (with garlic if I am alone), or honey on gluten-free toast with cinnamon sometimes and sometimes a bit of salt. I include spread or butter because I like the taste. Also I find it psychologically beneficial to actually eat proper food.
But I take gels too, because they are a space-efficient way of carrying energy and I like the security of knowing they will push me back to the station/car if I bonk.
Always water in the camelbak/bottle - it's not sticky, you can wash stuff out of wounds/your eyes with it if necessary, it's free and it doesn't encourage nasty bugs to grow in your bladder/bottle.
My running shoes were £15 from Lidl . . . I really don't care if I don't look cool 🙂 They are comfy, and I trash running shoes quickly anyway. (I think it's because I actually do use them for exercise.)
I'm right many times a day Dirty. Infact I can count on one hand the times I've been wrong this year.
it's worth watching if you have the patience to wait for the few informative viewpoints to surface.
I didn't and kept turning over when it was along the lines of:
reporter: "do you know how many teaspoons of sugar are in a bottle of Lucozade?"
punter: "oh, I don't know, five?"
reporter: "Eight."
punter: "oh my god, I can't believe it. that's astonishing. that's a lot of sugar to put in an energy drink designed to give you energy from it's high carbohydrate content, etc."
I'm sure you are TSY, but that would make your ego even worse if i admitted that! 8)
Going to catch up with the programme tonight.
Just because I know I'm Awesome!!! doesn't mean I have an ego!
Where are the supplement fanbois when I want to point and laugh at their lack of muscular definition?
Common sense innit? And manufacturers aren't lying necessarily, you've just got to bridge the gulf between figures selected in isolation and what you're actually doing. E.g. it's probably true that manufacturer X's new frame is 33% stiffer than the last one, but it probably won't make a jot of difference to 99% of riders. Similarly manufacturer Y's sports drink might have twice as many carbs or vitamins or whatever as water, but for most people drinking it when they play footie once a week it's not going to do anything for them that water wouldn't.
My current [i]Sports Fluid Replenishment and Fueling Drink[/i]™ is pure apple juice mixed 50/50 with water.
For a [i]Sports Fueling Bar Food[/i]™ I'm using Asda mini pork pies at one per hour.
The hamsters seem to need some sort of kick in the arse...
The hamsters seem to need some sort of kick in the arse...
Or a Red Bull?
TSY - was that intentional???
Cue - Go West on the radio 😉
Was what?
I think it's worth remembering that Alf Tupper, Britain's best runner ever, lived mostly on fish and chips.
I'm sceptical - he's heel striking terribly.
Silly programme anyway. Do carb drinks help refuel after 3 hours in the saddle? Of course. Does an HMB pill every morning make you into superman? Of course not.
It's bizarre how no-one ever had a problem with lactose intolerance and other such pseudo-medical b***ocks until the past few years.
How do you know? Lots of people used to have a bad tummy after drinking milk, I'm sure. Now we just know why that happens. It's definitely NOT BOLLOCKS. Make my wife drink a pint of whole milk and then go into the toilet after her a few hours later. Go on, I dare you.
What about cheesecake and coke for an hours exercise Mol?
TSY, Enough said...phew....just my mind working overtime then!
It might've been THM... I just wanted to know if you know 😉
Just watched the show, I thought it was interesting, learnt a couple of interesting points, the rest of it is just down to common sense.
Jam sandwiches all round then?! 😉
I've been using the following routine for years:
When I'm hungry I eat
When I'm thirsty I drink
Sometime I get crazy and eat or drink even when I'm not hungry or thirsty!
When I'm hungry I eat
When I'm thirsty I drink
Lunacy
Took my eight year old daughter out last Saturday morning for some XC fun at Woburn. Stopped at the chip shop on the way home. Start 'em young so they don't learn bad habits - that's the way forward!
The Southern Yeti - Member
It might've been THM... I just wanted to know if you know
Not from personal experience ! 😉
It's bizarre how no-one ever had a problem with lactose intolerance and other such pseudo-medical b***ocks until the past few years.
Do a bit of research, Humans are Lactose intolerant except for a genetic mutation that allows some people to process milk.
[citation needed]
The farmers seem to be doing a good job of stopping people processing milk today.
{Daily Mail issue #295762 20/07/2012 page 4}
Just to add to the debate:
[url= http://www.torqfitness.co.uk/news/panorama ]http://www.torqfitness.co.uk/news/panorama[/url]
The sport drinks have been a con for many years ...
So what I took from it was:
-sports drinks do work but only if you do sports
-drink when you're thirsty
-wear trainers that fit
-the only supplements that have been shown to be effective are creatine and caffeine
The surprising bit for me was that the South African Scientist completely dismissed the need for electrolytes outright. I'm no expert but I always thought it was a good idea to replace all the salt that comes out through my skin and makes my face go all crusty. It must have been doing something, right?
The fact that they had to travel to South Africa just to find someone who had these views did make me sceptical though when you consider how many sports scientists there must be in this country.
The fact that they had to travel to South Africa
Or could it be that Noakes is a bit of an authority on the subject?
I thought the point was that the level of electrolytes in most products was so small so as not to be worth it? Proper dehydration products ie diarlyte require dilution in 200ml of water?
[i]The surprising bit for me was that the South African Scientist completely dismissed the need for electrolytes outright. I'm no expert but I always thought it was a good idea to replace all the salt that comes out through my skin and makes my face go all crusty. It must have been doing something, right?
The fact that they had to travel to South Africa just to find someone who had these views did make me sceptical though when you consider how many sports scientists there must be in this country.[/i]
It's no surprise to me; I've been banging on about this for ages, but everyone 'knows' that when you sweat you 'need' salt.
Except you don't.
http://www.sportsscientists.com/2007/11/muscle-cramps-part-1-theories-and.html
I've posted this link about 5 times on here, but it's up against years of recieved wisdom and more pertinently up against the marketing budgets of the sports drink companies.
The idea that sports scientists are somehow less valuable because they come from South Africa is a wee bit silly; ask yourself how many sports scientists in the UK align themselves with sports supplement manufacturers.....
Actually just rewatched that bit and he says "the amount of electrolytes present has no impact on performance". So yes it does sound like he's suggesting a higher presence may have an impact, but the way he says it makes it seem like we would need to be consuming multiple times the amounts present to get any effect. So how much do you actually need?
I usually stick about 5% sugar in my water and probably about 0.5% salt, usually just done by taste. Seems to work OK but no idea if it's optimum.
http://www.sportsscientists.com/2007/11/muscle-cramps-part-1-theories-and.html
That is an awful article. It's main point seems to be that electrolyte depletion won't cause cramp, then uses examples of people cramping due to electrolyte depletion as part of their argument "In fact, in people who have lost a great deal of salt and have become hyponatremic (not during exercise, but clinically), we know that they cramp in ALL their muscles."
They argue that as you sweat, the electrolyte concentration increases in the body then they say
"Of course, those of you who read our fluid series might be thinking that if you then drink a lot of sports drink, you can reduce the electrolyte content, but that's yet another reason why drinking too much is not a good idea..."
So they are saying that you don't need to take on electrolytes unless you are drinking while exercising, but you shouldn't drink while exercising because it will lower electrolyte concentration.
Um, I think you are a little confused, and you could do with reading the series of articles.
Or keep on drinking the Gatorade. 😆
Just read this one
http://www.sportsscientists.com/2007/11/sports-drinks-sweat-and-electrolytes.html
And the summary of that seems that if you drink enough water to maintain pre exercise hydration levels then your electrolyte concentration levels will be too low. If you do the same with Gatorade then the situation won't be quite as bad. So if you want to remain hydrated you should drink a drink with MORE eletrolytes than Gatorade.
This isn't the advice of their article though which suggests the best way is to allow yourself to dehydrate. Probably alright for most people but if you are completing multiple long sessions in a day this probably isn't the best advice.
About 1:00:00 in.....
Fortunately Power Balance didn't get a look in, so I guess they can't be included in the snake oil category.
The fundamental points are;
1.) Cramp in sports is not due to electrolyte depletion.
2.) Sweating increases the concentration of electrolytes in your body.
3.) The human body has a very well tested and extremely efficient method of regulating electrolyte concentration.
4.) Drink when you are thirsty.
5.) Sports drink companies exist to make money.
teamhurtmore - MemberSo Ernie, a few too many powerades last night? From the Harwood thread....
What a ridiculous comment. This is not "the Harwood thread".
This is a thread concerning how products which have no real value are marketed and sold to a gullible and poorly informed public.
Marketing goes to the very heart of capitalism and is indisputably linked to the sale of sports products.
This thread does not have the vaguest connection with an incident in which a thug who had successfully slipped through the Met Police vetting procedure attacked an innocent man who was walking away from him with his hands in his pockets.
I have to say teamhurtmore that you are starting to get as daft and tedious as Zulu-eleven with your petty nonsensical diversionary tactics.
beej - Member
Just to add to the debate:
Excellent article, just about says it all......
Damn thos gullible consumers for not doing any research? Damn those evil marketing men for forcing products on to stupid people... Hang on, haven't the powers of the marketing men been proven as being a big fat zero. Marketing doesn't work!! 👿
Marketing doesn't work!!
Only if you have a strong mind and strong head*
*One that doesn't need a helmet that a lot of people have been fooled into buying.