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How do they move the pub??
Some fellas come along, offer to build a Tarmac road cheap [for cash in hand] then they wheel it down that
Well, that makes sense, otherwise how would travellers be able to go to the same pub every Sunday.
how would travellers be able to go to the same pub every Sunday.
Travel?
1. Oi, Bermbandit, did you read this bit?
Some of what you say is reasonable.
Hmm?
Yep and I wasn't terribly interested by it. Pretty patronsing in the general context of how you perform IMHO. I don't need your affirmation.
I've been travelling in the Indian subcontinent consistently for 25 years or so
And I've been part of an Asian family my entire life. So who wins here?
I wasn’t aware of the contest, but in the context of your previous and dare I say somewhat patronising assumption I feel it would be reasonable to claim that point, were I of that nature.
What I took umbrage with was this comment:
Fellas can shag anything that moves, get falling down drunk, beat their women, generally treat them like dirt, girls must look girly, remain celibate, do as they are told and not drink.
Whilst I don't deny that this happens, such behaviour is not generally condoned or acceptable within the communities/cultures of which you speak. Nor is it the 'norm'. What pisses me off is the negative portrayal of such cultures by yourself and others, and the lack of appreciation of the positive aspects. Such behaviour is not limited to 'Indian Subcontinent' cultures, but can be found in cultures all over the World, including 'British' White Middle Class communities. But you don't seem to make much mention of that.
I have no doubt the behaviour is replicated elsewhere, but I don’t actually have much if any knowledge of that, so only referred to that of which I am aware. No doubt had I broadened the point, you or someone like you who seem to specialize in nitpicking would have picked me up on it. I could not then have defended the point or been able to claim the “win” apparently.
In 'discussions' such as this, it's common to see people point out negative aspects of a culture, without much recognition of the fact that these aren't exclusive to the cultures under scrutiny.
As above
Oh and by the way, my research on the subject of travelling people formed part of a thesis.
What a coincidence! I also presented academic work about transient cultures/communities, as well as marginalised communities/cultures, as part of my studies. I've also spent time with people from 'travelling' communities.
In which case it does rather pour piss on you earlier wikipedia comment, also patronizing and designed to intimidate IMHO
Point 2: My wifes comment on the affordability or otherwise would I suspect be based on the fact that I'm a company director, we own our home outright, she is a highly paid manager, and that we are fairly affluent by southern UK standards, but would nonetheless baulk at the amount being expended on dresses and limousines for a wedding.
So, little more than assumption, then. And perhaps a lack of ability to understand that other cultures have differing values. So, you're wealthy etc etc blah blah blah, and wouldn't spend so much on a wedding, but what the tomato does that have to do with the choices others have a right to make? Maybe other people might think you're mad to do the jobs you do, spend so much on your house, lifestyle, etc.
There you go, making assumptions and jumping to conclusions again. We all have value systems, which we base our judgments and decisions on. At no point did I suggest anything other than surprise at how people could afford such lavish celebrations. I even went on to expand that to other groups, but that was not relevant to this thread initially, its about the Gypsy wedding documentary!!
I know folk with pots of money who think me crazy for spending so much money on bikes, yet think nothing of spending loads on a bottle of wine, or a meal, or a Phillipe Starck juicer. Funny old World, in't it?
Yep, strangley my Mrs being one of them, but like I said its not really relevant here on this thread is it?
Quite impressed by your response, but still think your comments are those of someone who assumes their own values are superior/somehow more 'correct' than others.
Patronsing again ? When on earth did I say anything other than my opinon? I think I have said several times that I don’t claim to have the answers, total moral authority or anything of the sort. Actually, I was just commenting on a TV programme that I watched along with several other people on this forum. My views, not necessarily correct for others, simply mine. Personally I think this forum is greatly reduced by the constant nitpicking, holier than thou contributions of people such as yourself. Simply amusing yourself by taking some sort of self proclaimed morale stance to belittle others is in my view similar to pulling the legs off spiders. It says more about the person doing it than it does their victims!
Easy to criticise others, but how about looking at yourself, and have a think about how imperfect you might be, in the eyes of others.
And how about you do the same? I’m comfortable in my skin, (yeah yeah I know….its a turn of phrase with no racist overtones before you start!). May I suggest a similar period of introspection might be as helpful if not more so for you?
p3wned!
3 cheers for Berm Bandit
Bravo.
interesting show. (edit.... wrote loads but deleted it in case i get told off by elfin)
So, my original statement still stands then. You and your wife made assumptions and judgements about people whose culture you have little knowledge of.
You can type out millions of words in response, but it still doesn't change things. Your tone comes across as sneering and condescending. You chose to ignore any of the positive aspects of Gypsy culture, and instead focus on the negative. Who are you to judge? You are better than them, because...?
p3wned!
Don't be so silly. I am un-pwnable.
Phil; feel free to say what you like mate. It's a public forum. 😕
I am un-pwnable.
Pah! The BermBandit has pots of money he could buy and sell you and your Trotteresque flat with one phone call.
You can type out millions of words in response, but it still doesn't change things
That I believe is your domain, my posts tend to simply quote yours back at you, with short comments, thus the appearance of a million words.
Would it be fair to say that this the equivalent of "its my ball and I'm going home"
BB; your comments came across to me as sneering, condescending and culturally ignorant. You've presented a good case for your defence, yet I still see little evidence that you [i]don't[/i] see yourself as somehow superior to others whose culture, as I'll say once more, you appear to have little knowledge of other than what you've seen on a TV programme.
I myself have little knowledge of Gypsy culture, yet I don't go making sneering statements loaded with negativity towards them. Instead, I accept that all cultures have their own problems and negative aspects, and try to focus on the positive aspects. I find that helps me get on better with all sorts of people.
I hope you can understand my point of view, without getting all worked up about it.
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Now, how about a bit of Gypsy music?
[quote=elfin]What a coincidence! I also presented academic work about transient cultures/communities, as well as marginalised communities/cultures, as part of my studies. I've also spent time with people from 'travelling' communities
[quote=elfin]I myself have little knowledge of Gypsy culture
Are we talking about Gypsies or travellers now?
Don't. I'm too confuddled. 🙁
BB; your comments came across to me as sneering, condescending and culturally ignorant
In the playground the correct move at this point would have been to flounce off home with the ball, perhaps with a nonchalent flick of the hair. Definately a bad idea to continue the argument at this stage, especially with slightly less than witty insults.
especially with slightly less than witty [b]insults[/b]
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So, if I don't agree with someone's views, I should just burger off, is that what you're saying? That I shouldn't respond at all?
I'm still trying to work out whose ball it is... 😕
So, if I don't agree with someone's views, I should just burger off, is that what you're saying? That I shouldn't respond at all?
Pretty sure I didn't say that, and here we go again trying to put words into or an interpretation on someones words that simply isn't there for the sake of argument or worse self engrandismen. Leave it I'm not worth it!
Best I could find. Skip to [b]2mins 14secs[/b] please
Pretty funny this - mrsdezb just decided to watch this on 4OD, one of the first things said by the dressmaker: "they dress like prostitutes"
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[b]Elfin of the Bailey said:[/b]
You've presented a good case for your defence
And this is what every thread is to you and a number of others, isn't it Fred? It's a trial, where there has to be a plaintiff (you), a defendant (someone else) and a verdict (delivered by you with your judge hat on).
The only acceptable outcome for you is when the defendant is found guilty, thanks to your Rumpole-esque deconstruction of every comment/opinion they post.
Do you have a high horse on 24-hour stand-by, or do you have some sort of shift system with more than one lofty equine?
I am un-pwnable.Pah! The BermBandit has pots of money he could buy and sell you and your Trotteresque flat with one phone call.
Double pwned! 😀