[Closed] Christian Hotel Ruling

You'd fight to the death over religion? I guess you're part of the few billion other idiots who believe in ghost stories (or use them a way to persecute others...).

Kettle's just boiled, and there's some Earl Grey ready.

Biscuit anyone?

FuzzyWuzzy - Member

You'd fight to the death over religion?

No, I'd fight to the death for freedom of choice. 🙄

the "powers that be" deem it necessary to remove pigs from childrens' farmyard sets in toy shops

Really?

Assam here please, and a choclate Hobnob if you have them.....

<settles into the comfy chair for the afternoon, just in reach of F5>

You'd fight to the death for those two fuddy duddies? 😯

[i]should be married in accordance with their religion.[/i]

I don't think they insisted that people had a Christian marriage before they stayed there, just a marriage.

The judgement said that them exercising their rights shouldn't be at the expense of someone elses.

Captain Jon, they've removed pigs from farmyard sets in Toys R Us as they might offend muslims, who naturally must believe that pigs don't exist.

Biscuit anyone?

Ooh, got any choccy digestives Flashy?

Not seen Shibby on here for a while. This should be fun! 😀

Shibboleth, you're missing the point.

You can insist on whatever you like [b]in your own home[/b], but this was a B&B i.e. a commercial enterprise.

Would you be happy for a commercial enterprise to turn someone away because they were Jewish, Muslim, black? I know I wouldn't.

I bought some Darejeeling last week. Not very impressed, so back on the Lady Grey now.

they might offend muslims

****in muslims. Vegetarians and vegans probably whinge about them too.

Choccy diggers and Assam coming right up.

Early Learning Centre, actually. And it wasn't "the powers that be" that deemed anything, the ELC did it off their own bat.

Still, facts and rants, eh.

****in muslims. Vegetarians and vegans probably whinge about them too.

I'm vegetarian and I don't whinge about Muslims.

any Jaffa cakes? really fancy one now.

Church and state separation, what you do in the privacy of your room is your problem, but expect me to conform to your ideas. As long as it is reasonable and within the law, that is how things are.

I'm vegetarian and I don't whinge about Muslims.

Well until you do, you're not staying in my B&B 😛

Shibboleth - Member
Captain Jon, they've removed pigs from farmyard sets in Toys R Us as they might offend muslims, who naturally must believe that pigs don't exist.

Source?

(and the first person to say 'Apple' gets a slap!)

Should have just refused to let them stay citing the right to refuse to serve anyone
Can hardly take anyone to court over an assumption, just as easy to say that room had a leaky bog or some such spurious excuse

Can't blame them, I wouldn't want anyone from Huntingdon staying in my house either

Source?

Is Google down?

Would you be happy for a commercial enterprise to turn someone away because they were Jewish, Muslim, black? I know I wouldn't.

No, and this country prides itself on its willingness to respect other people's religious beliefs. The owners didn't turn them away because they held different religious beliefs, but because they weren't joined in matrimony in a way recognised by their own religion.

The gay couple singled out the hotel BECAUSE of its stance on this, purely to make a political point. It's completely unfair.

Yes, sorry, ELC not Toys R Us. The 'Powers that Be' to whom I was referring were in fact the powers that be. Idiot. 🙄

The ELC put them back:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11765420

****in muslims

I suspect the OP couldn't fight to save his own life let alone someone stranger's religious freedom

[url= http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-News/Pig-Early-Learning-Centre-Shop-Criticised-After-Removing-Toy-From-Farm-Set-To-Avoid-Offence/Article/201011315810300?f=rss ]Pig Story[/url]

🙄

Well until you do, you're not staying in my B&B

That's fine, I probably couldn't eat the &B bit anyway.

The 'Powers that Be' to whom I was referring were in fact the powers that be. Idiot.

No. The ELC *chose* to withdraw the pig based on 'customer feeback'. No one made them do anything. Certainly not the powers that be, and what does that even mean anyway?

And, we'll have less of the insults, if you don't mind.

iDave - Member

I suspect the OP couldn't fight to save his own life let alone someone stranger's religious freedom

You would have probably said that about my grandmother. She worked at Bletchley Park decoding Enigma machines and probably did far more to end the Second World War than any drafted man with a Lee Enfield and a bayonette. 🙄

Isn't there some distinction between B&Bs and hotels, that means the owner of the former is allowed to take this stance as its still private property or something?

Anyway, CFH, is there any tea left please...?

The gay couple singled out the hotel BECAUSE of its stance on this, purely to make a political point. It's completely unfair.

That's your assertion, which they deny.

I have no religion; would you consider it reasonable for me to refuse you a room because you told me you were Christian?

Shibboleth - I have just read your your post twice (and read the story earlier today) and I am still not sure on whose behalf you are indignant - the gay couple or the B & B owners ??

Perhaps the inclusion of some terminology like "religious fundamentalist nutters" or "leftie guradian reading fags" (but not both) might help get your point across better - I am not sure if I agree with you or not yet...

*realises new gap in the market*

*opens up "The coloured gay muslim and pig aknowledging B&B"*

*retires at 29years old*

Cougar - Member and what does that even mean anyway?

I decide whether the toilet paper should hang next to the wall, or away from the wall. That's because, in my bathroom, [b]I[/b] am the powers that be.

Hope this clarifies things. 🙄

WHAT?!! PIGS ARE REAL?!! REALLY?

would you consider it reasonable for me to refuse you a room because you told me you were Christian?

Correct me if I'm wrong (I've not read the full story), but they weren't refusing rooms to people who didn't share their religion, they were refusing double rooms to unmarried couples? So the analogy doesn't really work.

Is the issue really that a married gay couple wanted to book a room, and the owners refused to accept that their marriage was valid? Is that the actual story here?

ey up - he's bringing his granny into it now.

To recap - pigs are still sold in ELC toy sets, and we're not sure if the OP wants to die for Christians, B&B owners, or gay people... or all three groups, or just one.

shiboleth, if you knew what my grandparents did in the war you'd send me a cheque each month for being related to such awesomeness and set up a website apologising for ever doubting the quality of people with tatoos.

but what have grandparents got to do with the original idea of this thread? also what the deytookourjobs have muslim and ELC pig toys got to do with it too?

i eagerly await your response no doubt saying you didnt realise i was AWESOME and you'll know fight for my right to post this 😀

I decide whether the toilet paper should hang next to the wall, or away from the wall. That's because, in my bathroom, I am the powers that be.

Well, no.

a) "the powers that be" generally imply some sort of government or ruling body. If I said "the powers that be told me I can't have a dog" then I'd be unlikely to be refering to my girlfriend, unless I was trying to deliberately mislead.

b) you were talking about "the powers that be" removing pigs from toy sets, it wasn't in reference to the B&B's decision, so your bathroom has no relevance here.

You can stop rolling your eyes, too.

iDave - Member

I suspect the OP couldn't fight to save his own life let alone someone stranger's religious freedom

You would have probably said that about my grandmother. She worked at Bletchley Park decoding Enigma machines and probably did far more to end the Second World War than any drafted man with a Lee Enfield and a bayonette.

I think you just proved iDave right.

Does the B+B serve bacon at breakfast?

probably did far more to end the Second World War than any drafted man with a Lee Enfield and a bayonette.

but what have grandparents got to do with the original idea of this thread? also what the deytookourjobs have muslim and ELC pig toys got to do with it too?

My grandparents and great grandparents HAD to be prepared to fight to the death to protect freedom in this country, Europe and the rest of the world.

I've always held the opinion that if I was put in the same position, I too would be prepared to make the same sacrifice for freedom.

Now, on one hand, we afford other culture and religions - who generally come to us to enjoy those freedoms that they might be denied elsewhere in the world - so much respect that people would remove pigs from kiddy's farmyard sets, and yet a Christian couple are being persecuted, under our own laws, for wanting to insist that people who share a bed under their roof, should be married in a way recognised by their religion.

No matter how many holes you want to pick in my hastily cobbled arguments, there's no denying that this is a completely unfair situation.

So you book a B and B for the wekend, away for yourself and partner, you travel there, and on arrival you are told youre not welcome, because you intend to sleep in the same bed as your partner of many years.

You complain, the case is taken up by a public body to look at discrimination issues, the media get hold of the case and let it run on a quiet news day, you get unwanted media attention and also £1800 quid each, and possibly get to sit on the sofa on breakfast tv.

The B and B owners get a lot of prime time publicity, and also get to sit on the breakfast tv setee.

Everyones a winner. 😀

I don't necessarily agree with their views, but like my grandparents and great grandparents, I would be prepared to fight to the death to protect their right to make that choice.

This afternoon, I'm starting to wonder whether this country is still worth fighting for.

Hilarious. 😆

You were joking right? Or would you really fight to the death (fight who btw?) so that some uptight B+B owners can carry on exercising their prejudices?

Now, on one hand, we afford other culture and religions - who generally come to us to enjoy those freedoms that they might be denied elsewhere in the world - so much respect that people would remove pigs from kiddy's farmyard sets, and yet a Christian couple are being persecuted, under our own laws, for wanting to insist that people who share a bed under their roof, should be married in a way recognised by their religion.

Some idiots took pigs out of a toy set, some other idiots got in trouble for being discriminatory - what's the connection exactly? Maybe write a letter to the Daily Mail.