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Would Psycho Stapleton have been walking down the street with a gun if he thought plod were on an equal footing?
he is a psycho so it is unlikely he thinks rationally...unless he is going for an insanity defence in which case he has played his cards well so far
Elfinsafety, there are many different types of air gun in the same way there are many different ways of providing suspension on a MTB....some are more efficient than others and you always get what you pay for.
A cheap spring powered air gun will be way under the legal limit and crap for shooting vermin....think BB gun for an idea of what these things are like....but an air pressured air rifle on or near to the legal limit will easily kill small animals around the 25 yrd mark.
A mate has one that is perfectly legal and we tend to use that for rabbits as a shotgun is too loud and scares the others away.
How many others carry because they know that plod won't be able to do anything?he is a psycho so it is unlikely he thinks rationally...unless he is going for an insanity defence in which case he has played his cards well so far
How about, 'Jury service with Z-11'?
Jury? Don't be bloody silly
This thread has got me thinking and have a couple questions (not trolling, just something I don't have knowledge of):
Do police in the UK carry firearms at all or is it just special/tactical teams that do in special circumstances?
Does UK law require a firearm (of any kind) to be kept in a locked case and ammo at another location in the home?
Yep, Elf, this is completly irrelavent to the topic, but I can't stand a complete strager being wrong on the internet.... (which so accuratly sums up STW!) That link does not specify range beyond 'short range'
I've done a lot of hunting with an air rifle. My BSA Supersport SS was (actually, is, it's in the loft as it has been for the last 8 years) a .25 caliber, short range, rat gun that measured 11.89ft/lbs at the barel. I was happy taking rats out to 25m with it, even though the .25 loses power at range a lot faster due to the greater wind resistance. When I say happy, I wouldn't take a shot if not sure of a kill, and rats are a LOT tougher than squirrels!
The .20 BSA Goldstar would happly take rabbits, squirrels and pidgens out to 40 meters, as long as I was sure of the shot (ie, taking pride that the animal did not suffer any more than well, being dead!)
Still smack that muppet shooting around a public area in the knackers though, I'm not argueing that it's a good thing to do, more that even with a legal rifle, it's bloody unsafe. Interestingly though, the air rifle would have a lot less stopping power than say a Black Widow catapult, with more accuracy. Yet you see a kid with one of those and you don't blink....
What's with all the ass kissing Elf ?
Not 'ass-kissing' at all; I'm not in the habit of making affectionate gestures towards equine creatures. 😐
Elfinsafety, there are many different types of air gun in the same way there are many different ways of providing suspension on a MTB....some are more efficient than others and you always get what you pay for.
I'd still not want to use something that low-powered to try to make a clean kill from that sort of distance tbh.
All irrelevant as he'd be breaking the Law anyway. I'm hoping the threat of me grassing him up will dissuade him. The fact he's got any sort of gun worries me, as he's not yer most thoughtful and well-balanced sort....
busydog, more Police carry than is publicly known.
I think the view by joe public is that if a firearms incident occurs then special officers are summoned from some hidden base in spectacular SWAT team style....the reality is far more mundane.
I can only comment on Surrey Police since they are who i have the closest working relationship with but their firearms officers patrol as normal and the only way you'd know there are guns in the car is because of the fluorescent yellow dot in both the rear side windows (about the size of the base of a coffee mug)....they dont routinely wear their sidearm, instead keeping them locked in a gun cabinet between the two officers in the front roughly behind the handbrake/gear stick area....only once have i come across them at an RTC when they had pistols openly holstered on their belts.
Notice you've been rather quite on any of the threads about the Stephen Lawrence case....
been to busy to read/watch much news and i don't really have any interest in the case and have no real knowledge of the facts so have no desire to comment.
i happen to know a fair bit about firearms and a reasonable grasp of the 1997 firearms act (i have a copy somewhere).
i no longer hold a license though but will reapply if/when i move back to the countryside.
Do police in the UK carry firearms at all or is it just special/tactical teams that do in special circumstances?
Specialist teams, some armed all the time, some armed at times as necessary.
Does UK law require a firearm (of any kind) to be kept in a locked case and ammo at another location in the home?
technically, you only have a duty to keep securely, in [i]practice[/i], this means a locked metal cabinet to BS standards with two locks, and for rifles, a separately locked (can be internal) cabinet for ammo and bolt (if removable)
I think the view by joe public is that if a firearms incident occurs then special officers are summoned from some hidden base in spectacular SWAT team style....the reality is far more mundane.
Yeah, the public perception of SWAT teams and the reality is pretty far apart---I guess we can blame the TV/movie portrayal for that. I have a guy a couple street over from me who is SWAT officer and he says it's mostly a lot of getting called out of bed in the middle of the night, getting all his gear on and together, only to rush out for something that (thanksfully) turns out to be pretty tame.
technically, you only have a duty to keep securely, in practice, this means a locked metal cabinet to BS standards with two locks, and for rifles, a separately locked (can be internal) cabinet for ammo and bolt (if removable)
That makes sense, especially in the case where there are kids in the home---you can hide them, but kid are really adept at finding whatever you don't want them to. Whenever my grandkids or other kids come to the house, I lock my handgun up.
Do police in the UK carry firearms at all or is it just special/tactical teams that do in special circumstances?
Some do, not all. Its a specilised department for most forces. Some officers dont carry guns on them, but can get access to them if needed. Some departments carry them whilst on patrol, but they normally need to be specifically authorised by someone very high up in the force to draw and use them.
On speaking to the firearms chaps who carry firearms on patrol, they comment that most of the public notice the taser gun ( its bright yellow ) and are often oblivious to the pistol ( black plastic looking )
Does UK law require a firearm (of any kind) to be kept in a locked case and ammo at another location in the home?
Already answered above by Z11
On speaking to the firearms chaps who carry firearms on patrol, they comment that most of the public notice the taser gun ( its bright yellow ) and are often oblivious to the pistol ( black plastic looking
A lot of the police here carry the Tasers now, along with firearms (usually Glocks) and try to use them as a tool of first resort--of course we recently had a case where a 300 lb dude (on meth) went violent on two police who were trying to arrest him, so one of them tasered him and he died of a heart attack--so the family has lawyered up and suing.
so the family has lawyered up and suing.
I don't see a problem with this. If the police have followed procedure the [i]victim's[/i] family are just throwing money away, if the police haven't followed correct procedures, they need to understand that they're not above the law. Put some faith in the law.
Hmmm. It's good practice to lock ammo up separately, but I don't think it's a 'legal' requirement. I don't think that it even has to be locked away, legally. (not sure on that last bit, pretty sure on the first bit, and I'm talking shotgun cartridges, have no working knowledge of other firearms)
I don't see a problem with this. If the police have followed procedure the victim's family are just throwing money away, if the police haven't followed correct procedures, they need to understand that they're not above the law. Put some faith in the law.
Totally agree---the investigation by a police affairs team exonerated the officer that did the tasering, but the family will try to sue anyway, hoping for a sympathetic jury I suppose. We had another case where a couple of police were subduing a carjacking suspect and got caught by a security camera giving the guy a couple extra kicks to the crotch and both got fired and face charges.
I don't know about there in the UK, but here it has become a very litiginous enivornment (i.e. suing McDonalds because their coffee is hot and the person spilled it on their own lap, etc.).
Hmmm. It's good practice to lock ammo up separately, but I don't think it's a 'legal' requirement. I don't think that it even has to be locked away, legally. (not sure on that last bit, pretty sure on the first bit, and I'm talking shotgun cartridges, have no working knowledge of other firearms)
Different rules for shotgun cartridges - can keep them anywhere - stroll about with them in your pocket if you like.
Proper bullets, locked up and not with the rifles - hence the gun cabinets with a separately locked bit at the top.
but here it has become a very litiginous enivornment
Sorry, I forgot that you're in the States, I've seen the pages of silly lawsuits, some of them are great reading.
The woman who sued a furniture shop because she tripped over an unsupervised child in the store, her own child!!
The guy who put his Winebago on cruise control and the went back to make a cuppa, then sued because it crashed.
😀
Thought it was something like that, TheGreatApe. Odd though, bullets, cartridges, both deadly, both not a lot of use without a gun. Is it to do with the stealability of bullets vs cartridges do you reckon?
Me, the reason I keep a shotgun is purely as part of my Zombie Apocalypse (tm) escape plan. It's what I told the copper, I think he may have thought I was joking...
Sorry, I forgot that you're in the States, I've seen the pages of silly lawsuits, some of them are great reading
Way too many lawyers around the US--too many "ambulance chasers"!!!
What was the Shakespeare quote "kill all the lawyers" or something to that effect?
Me, the reason I keep a shotgun is purely as part of my Zombie Apocalypse
Hey, it could happen---I keep mine due to the potential of another invasion of New Mexico by Pancho Villa 🙂
Exactly. 😈 as could the breakdown of social cohesion and societal law and order as we know it... Not likely, but you never know. 😯
invasion of New Mexico by Pancho Villa
hahaha - I think we settled the other week that TJ thought you should be handed back to the Spaniards, along with the Falklands 😯
( [i]threads passim[/i] )
breakdown of social cohesion and societal law and order as we know it
Reminds me - I must go and top up my ammo from my dealer.
Anyone here got a vacant slot for a .303? - got a friend clearing some workaday SMLE's out for a couple of hundred each 8)
Is it to do with the stealability of bullets vs cartridges do you reckon?
I don't know to be honest. Perhaps shotguns and therefore shotgun ammunition is considered to be less dangerous than rifles? Certainly it is simpler to get a SGC than a FAC.
Man, this thread seems to have finally be on it's last throes!!! Guess everyone got their frustrations/feelings/opinions out!!!
Have a good night, all---I still have a couple of hours work to do before it's Jack Daniels time.
as could the breakdown of social cohesion and societal law and order as we know it
From the way this thread was going, had me thinking it was already happening 😉
Certainly it is simpler to get a SGC than a FAC.
Can you not get a firearms certificate for the impending zombie hordes then? Doesn't matter anyway, [i]everyone[/i] knows that a twelve bore (with pockets full of shells) is [b]THE[/b] weapon of choice for dezombification duties.
Elfinsafety - MemberI'd still not want to use something that low-powered to try to make a clean kill from that sort of distance tbh.(30-40 yards)
But you claimed that...
I can repeatedly hit the centre of the bullseye from 100M, with a 6.5mm rifle. Repeatedly.
How did you put it again. Oh yeah...oof, always a pleasure to watch.
Is it to do with the stealability of bullets vs cartridges do you reckon?
I do know that ammunition is readily available on the 'black market' (as it's racistly known), and comes form originally legitimately obtained sources. Plenty of farmers etc making a few bob selling on spare ammo. Guns aren't quite as easy to come by for the general public as the media might have you think, but if you're suitably scummy, it's not impossible. It does mean having to deal with some proper 'orrible types mind.
But you claimed that...
Yeah, so what? I'd rather have a more powerful air rifle to shoot small animals at that sort of distance, so as to minimise the chance of not making a clean kill. I'd not want any creature to suffer unduly.
And? This is advice I've bin given by people who actually hunt a range of animals, from rabbits to elk/moose. What's your credentials?
That I can successfully hit a static target does not in any way mean I'm expert at hitting small fast moving ones.
Are your chips a bit soggy? Soz about that.
Plenty of farmers etc making a few bob selling on spare ammo
you have proof of this?
you have proof of this?
Why do you need to know?
Why do you need to know?
Because otherwise, it's yet more fuel for the 'world according to Elf' fire... And that's a fire that is burning somewhat out of control to be honest.
Well, I'm not all that bothered tbh. You can believe what you like; it makes no difference to me. I'm mistified as to why you think it would be, tbh.
D'you seriously think I'm going to divulge such information on a public forum? Don't be daft.
So I'm afraid you'll have to take my word for it. Or not. Up to you.
V8 I think you can take it that its another FACT 😉
Again, a distinct lack of flippancy from you, Elfin. Strange that. [Edit : my mistake, you edited-in some of your usual BS at the end]
The remainder of that post where you brag about your target-shooting prowess includes the claim that you were a better 'shot' than someone else on this thread. If you were that good you would be able to translate that to killing vermin in a humane fashion, especially at 40 yards - they don't always run around and can easily be found in a reasonably stationary position.
I've never tried shooting vermin. TBH I woon't want to, and have no personal need to. I do however think it's a more humane method of pest control than poison and/or traps.
Perhaps I'd be quite good at it. I don't know. I have no real desire to find out really.
I would however like to go hunting Elk in somewhere like Norway; do it in the traditional style, with dogs and that. Had invitations to do so, but sadly it never worked out. Would still like to do it one day though.
Z-11's video of the boar hunter was interesting. That seems to me to be about actual hunting, with a proper edible end result, rather than the ego-boosting 'hunting' many people do in the UK. That bloke is an amazing shot. You woon't go hungry hanging around with him, would you? 😯
What's happened to the smart-arse comments and little kisses...?
Mmmm. Wild boar sarnies... (drool) now I know what I having for breakfast tomorrow...
What's happened to the smart-arse comments and little kisses...?
Z-11's still doing his best, bless him.
X
now I know what I having for breakfast tomorrow...
A packet of Quavers?
A cup of coffee and a cigarette?
Full English?
A croissant?
Why do you need to know?
quite simply because i wish to know if it's true.
Sometimes in life, there are things that you will just never know, MrSmith.
As I've said, I'm not that daft I'm going to divulge certain things on a public forum.
I have no need to 'prove' anything to you; as I've said, it's your choice to believe what you wish.
Now I know you're out there, so hands up everyone who's eagerly waiting for the thousandth post?
(everyone else- if you stop posting now it'll break their hearts)
Shhh!
FFS.... 🙄