[Closed] Private ownership of firearms

but what is the point in owning them?

Some people just like to do this stuff - I don't see the fascination in guns in the slightest bit but I can understand why people like to collect things that interest them and that Armoury is an example of someone who collects.

Elfinsafety, he'll be able to legally hold those weapons

What, including the handguns? 😕

Having an interest in firearms?

What's the difference between that and someone having an interest in knives?

(Loving the attempts at justification here. Getting weaker and weaker and weaker..)

by the way he may live next door to you...

One of my neighbours is on about shooting squirrels with an airgun, cos they keep messing up his plants (they don't really, just a couple were dug up cos they were burying nuts). I've told him he can't, as he'd be shooting out into a public area, he's within 50m of a public highway, and he's got shaky haynds coon't hit a barn door anyway. It's not about the squirrels, it's about his urge to prove himself a mayn all the time. Quite pathetic. If I even get a sniff of him firing a gun into a public area, I'll grass him. I've told him this. He thinks I'm out of order cos he's 'only killing vermin'. Is he bollocks. He wants to act out his fantasies.

Is it five years minimum for illegal firearm possession?

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How about this? A Walther G22 bullpup in .22 rimfire. 10 shot magazine and semi-auto mechanism. You telling me this isn't for fantasists?

Gorgeous sofa 😮

An airgun is not a firearm unless its been massively modified...there are rules regarding the pounds-per-square-inch they fire at and the police have equipment to test this.

Deviant. Why are you being all shouty about something you know sod all about?

Pounds per square inch is a unit of pressure not muzzle energy.

How about this? A Walther G22 bullpup in .22 rimfire. 10 shot magazine and semi-auto mechanism. You telling me this isn't for fantasists?

Airguns in the UK are subject to the firearms acts, under the Firearms (Dangerous air weapons) rules 1969 they are classified as low powered Air Weapons and as such they are restricted to a maximum power of 12 foot pounds force for a rifle and 6 foot pounds force for a pistol. Above 12ftlb a rifle is classified as a Section 1 Firearm and requires a licence called a firearms certificate, and a pistol above 6ftlb is again a Section 1 Firearm requiring a firearms certificate in the UK.

Anything that is capable of killing a squirrel from 20-30 yards will have a tad more power than 12ftlb.

And knowing him, anything he gets will be significantly more powerful than that.

[quote=TJ]...There is no possible reason that stands up to have a collection like that

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I quite agree.

Some people are a bit weird and they like to collect weird stuff.

Other people don't actually need to understand why.

They just need to realise that unless there are any laws being broken, it's none of there business.

mf - no! If you have a slot on your FAC for a .22 semi auto then you are free to buy this rifle.

mastiles_fanylion - Member
What is the point of collecting stamps? Or Delft Pottery? Or Heinz Beans cans?
Some people just like to do this stuff - I don't see the fascination in guns in the slightest bit but I can understand why people like to collect things that interest them and that Armoury is an example of someone who collects.

So someone gets pleasure from it...I don't see that as justifying ownership of firearms.

Oh and this one needs to turn that maglight the other way round, he'll blind himself.

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Derek the pedant, sorry i got the exact terminology wrong.

I was explaining that the point at which an airgun becomes a firearm is dependent on the force with which it shoots....and i was correct was i not?

To Elfinsatey, your neighbour is legally entitled to use an airgun in his garden provided no pellets leave the boundaries.

Use in a public area has always been a no go area as far as i'm aware....the distance ruling you speak of relates to proximity to public highways....the distance is 50ft not 50m and your neighbour would have to be 'causing upset or inconvenience to anybody using that highway' for the Police to be interested.

As kids we all used to own airguns and shoot in our gardens, never had any complaints from neighbours or interest from the Police...this forum really is full of grey killjoys.

Oh and this one needs to turn that maglight the other way round, he'll blind himself.

It is a sight, not a Maglight.

mf - no! If you have a slot on your FAC for a .22 semi auto then you are free to buy this rifle.

So someone gets pleasure from it...I don't see that as justifying ownership of firearms.

I honestly don't have an opinion on this other than that people should be allowed to carry on whatever legal activities they want to without there being an assumption that they are potential murderers simply because they have an interest in the subject - see my above post regarding Lemmy - to me, his obsession with Nazi stuff is much more disturbing than someone owning a few guns. I wonder if Lemmy could get a UK firearms licence? 🙂

it doesn't make it wrong to want them.

Or does it?

That's the point really. Personally I think that most of the $hit that people "want" these days is stuff that we would all be better off without.

Just because lots of things are legal (or the law is unenforceable) doesn't mean that it's a good idea for society.

It is a sight, not a Maglight.

Where's that gif where that bloke is about to say something, then thinks about it, then can't actually be bothered cos it's pointless?

Some people are a bit weird and they like to collect weird stuff.

It might just be me, but I can't actually see anything here designed with the specific purpose of killing.

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This is the optional integral laser sight available for the Walther G22 I posted above.
There is a silencer available too for £70. Quite a weapon. Point and shoot in silence.

DP

Where's that gif where that bloke is about to say something, then thinks about it, then can't actually be bothered cos it's pointless?

That would apply to over 20 pages of this thread, especially to some of the guff you have come out with. 🙂

To Elfinsatey, your neighbour is legally entitled to use an airgun in his garden provided no pellets leave the boundaries.

He's on about firing it out of a window of his flat, at a tree which is in a public area. Beyond the tree are more flats. Given that he has bad haynd shakes (and likes a drink), I don't feel that this is a fit and suitable person to own any weapon of this kind, and will report him if he tries to.

As kids we all used to own airguns and shoot in our gardens, never had any complaints from neighbours or interest from the Police...this forum really is full of grey killjoys.

This is a grown mayn with anger issues and a drink problem, not a child in a private garden...

That would apply to over 20 pages of this thread, especially to some of the guff you have come out with.

No you are wrong read what I've posted then you will learn stuffs.

Cynic Al will be along shortly. Expect a pwning.

Some people are a bit weird and they like to collect weird stuff.
It might just be me, but I can't actually see anything here designed with the specific purpose of killing.

Given that he has bad haynd shakes

Like what you've done there, subtle 🙂

Anyway, should people be allowed to own one of these?

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Yes!....

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Elfinsafety - Member

Airguns in the UK are subject to the firearms acts, under the Firearms (Dangerous air weapons) rules 1969 they are classified as low powered Air Weapons and as such they are restricted to a maximum power of 12 foot pounds force for a rifle and 6 foot pounds force for a pistol. Above 12ftlb a rifle is classified as a Section 1 Firearm and requires a licence called a firearms certificate, and a pistol above 6ftlb is again a Section 1 Firearm requiring a firearms certificate in the UK.

Anything that is capable of killing a squirrel from 20-30 yards will have a tad more power than 12ftlb.

And knowing him, anything he gets will be significantly more powerful than that.

Wrong Elf, a 12ft/lbs air rifle has the ability to take small animals (rabbits, squirrel etc) easily out to 35-40yards.
This doesn't change that really, firing it unsafly in a in a built up area, it ought to be jammed up his arse backwards.

No you are wrong read what I've posted then you will learn stuffs.

Elf, you are right, I've learnt an awful lot of 'stuffs' from your posts.............

it ought to be jammed up his arse backwards.

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[quote=Elf]...It might just be me, but I can't actually see anything here designed with the specific purpose of killing.

I didn't say there was did I ?

Or did I miss the bit where I typed what you think you might have wanted me to say ?

I said some people like to collect weird stuff.

And other people don't need to understand why.

They don't need to approve either.

As long as no laws are being broken, they just need to mind their own business.

The original purpose of any collection is irrelevant really - just as long as the collector isn't collecting them FOR that purpose in the case of guns.

What do you think is behind the psychology of collecting?

It might be mostly harmless, but in grown ups I don't think it is a good thing - it kind of points to the grasping childish id winning out over the more sensible and rational ego.

Grown men collecting children's toys - now that's concerning.

It might be mostly harmless, but in grown ups I don't think it is a good thing

so, how many people on here have a collection of bikes...?

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The one on the left is lethal - she can cast hexes and she is mean. Prunella by name. don't cross me or I'll set her on you

I am a little disturbed that Neal has actually taken the pic and put it on his photobucket tho

Wow--this is still cranking along??? Only read the last couple of pages, but no-one seems to have convinced anyone else of anything.
Well, back to work--can't afford to spend all afternoon following it like I did yesterday.
Good luck everyone.

I am a little disturbed that Neal has actually taken the pic and put it on his photobucket tho

sadly I had to. posting from an iphone and I couldnt do it direct.
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my Point stands though, regardless of your avoidance of it 😕

If people want to collect things, as long as they are legal, what has it got to do with you ?

you dont need to understand it, or approve of it..

If people want to collect things, as long as they are legal, what has it got to do with you ?

you dont need to understand it, or approve of it..

Is it OK to point out that it's a personality defect?

In the case of guns Neal its not harmless that the point. It fuels rambo style fantasies and the occasional mass killing. If all they are is a collection then make the guns unfirable - solid barrels

Hmmm...I remember at about 11 I met an uncle's cousin or something on holiday...he had a Luger and showed it to me (the Luger)....TBH despite me being well into war etc it seemed a bit weird.

higthepig - Member
Oh and this one needs to turn that maglight the other way round, he'll blind himself.
It is a sight, not a Maglight.

SOMEONE BIT! YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEUS!

It fuels rambo style fantasies

Any proof on this, or is it another FACT along the "porn causes rape" line ?

Any proof on this, or is it another FACT along the "porn causes rape" line ?

Have I missed another TJ doozy? Damn! We need an "if you liked this thread you'll like..." feature on this forum 🙂

It fuels rambo style fantasies

Isn't that kind of an over-generalization???

I have quite a number of workable firearms (pistols, rifles, shotguns, black powder) and I haven't had the slightest inkling of rambo fantasies or committed any mass killings----but god help the fool who tries to forceably break into my home while I'm here.

I'm just watching a girly firing a big rifle and started thinking about the feeling of power there must be, it's years since I've fired a gun, so I can't remember the feeling. It must be akin to the feeling I had when hammering the ZZR, a macho thing.

---but god help the fool who tries to forceably break into my home while I'm here.

And there is the proof in one phrase. Or Have I bitten on a troll?

I sense a new tangent in this thread; we've not really discussed the right to defend your own home much. Off you all go now, and play nicely

And there is the proof in one phrase

If you really believe that my statement that I would protect my home against someone breaking in to steal or cause bodily harm is somehow a "rambo fantasy", you and I will just have to agree to disagree.

Are you really saying you would use your gun to shoot someone who broke into your home - then yes that is a rambo fantasy and should disqualify you from holding guns.

You would go to jail for a long time if you did and rightly so.

Edit - see CFHs post a few pages back to see an non fantasy sensible attitude to guns for self defense

stilltortoise - Member

I sense a new tangent in this thread;

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