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You can read his resignation letter on the BBC here.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51688261
It seems pritti obvious.
Tribunal or court will involve Patel testifying under oath. Could be interesting
You don’t need an NDA to fire someone who’s not doing their job.
It is a "sweetener" to make the transition easier good or bad.
It seems pritti obvious.
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Tribunal or court will involve Patel testifying under oath. Could be interesting
Does that mean he wants his job back? As many of you have said many times to avoid working in a toxic working environment so what does he want? What if he gets his job back at the expense of public purse and the govt starts to give him more measurable objectives does that mean he can negotiation with the govt objectives?
Wow - what amazing timing for an announcement...
https://news.sky.com/story/boris-johnson-and-girlfriend-carrie-symonds-expecting-first-baby-together-and-get-engaged-11945648
Shall we have a sweepstake on what the papers lead with tomorrow? The Johnson dynasty growing or the odious behaviour of a government minister?
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Hopefully, this will lead to some clarity over how many other kids he has. Would be great if he could turn up on Today on Monday morning to tell us.
Also, if the police are called to your house following reports of a disturbance by a member of the public, will there need to be a social services check on the safety of the new child?
AD, that's spaffing news!
His resignation speech will empower bullied civil servants across all departments to 'call out' the bullying that is endemic from Ministers. Fantastic leadership.
His resignation speech also looks like it was very carefully drafted with legal input.
He’s not going down without a fight, is he?
Tribunal or court will involve Patel testifying under oath. Could be interesting
Lovely jubbly. Let's hope he plays it cool and keeps a few things back so she can be drawn into perjury.
Popcorn, please...
In ref to my experience above - I too could have gone down the constructive dismissal case but the employment lawyers advised me to take a settlement and NDA just because the cost and effort to fight the case against a millionaire business owner could ruin me anyway.
I hope he has good backers and/or a crowd funding campaign so he can prevent them just buying their way out of standing up and answering the allegations in public court.
His resignation speech also looks like it was very carefully drafted with legal input.
Yes, it looks like a nice combination of taking away some avenues of retreat whilst leaving open the possibility of luring her into a direct lie.
Fingers crossed.
It also takes some sting out of the inevitable smear campaign that Dom is probably working on right now....
crowd funding campaign
Where do I sign?
Pritti I loved, absolutely loved by some of the Tory faithful voters. In their eyes she is one of "those brown people" that is actually acting more English than they do.
It also allows them to rationalise in their own minds that they aren't racist as they like her. Win, win for them.
She hates immigrants as much as they do and they lap that up.
They wouldn't let her marry into the family, mind...
She's still not THAT English to them.
I imagine union membership in the public sector will be growing hugely on the back of this, it really will be a boost to the wider cause. Useful given they'll be supporting him in this case.
How long before some tory MPs find a spine?
Well, they're Tory MPs, so...
Well, they’re Tory MPs, so…
Even snakes have a backbone.
It's pretty obvious that with an 80 seat majority & no opposition the Tories feel they can do whatever they please.
Ever since the Brexit vote incompetence, dishonesty & stupidity in government have no repurcussions as long as they of the true Brexit faith.
They'll boot out all the people who know what they're doing & replace them with spineless yesmen
It won't end well, but it won't be the MPs that pay the price.
It won’t end well,
Indeed. The problem with this government's culture in terms of its relationship with Whitehall is they've made it clear its in nobody's own interest to shout 'Iceberg!' if you're sailing towards an iceberg.
Senior Civil Servants don't get there by accident, or ineptness. They are not there by blagging competency interviews. Maybe a few are not the best get through to SCS 1, but by the time the rest have progressed to beyond that and into the realms of real importance, they are they amongst the most astute, erudite and articulate people in their department that you could wish to have representing your interests to the respective government minister.
"I work in the Civil Service and I've had to implement silly policies" carries as much weight as someone with a share in a bank suggesting they understand how it is run.
Thanks bear for your insight. I'll agree with it all regarding the very top civil servants. But as you say, those below the very top can be idiots, as are our political overlords.
I could give you the specific examples of what I meant, but you know I'm not allowed to, and the specific legislation has been done a few times on threads on here since the Blair government
Thanks bear for your insight. I’ll agree with it all regarding the very top civil servants. But as you say, those below the very top can be idiots, as are our political overlords.
Not so different to the private sector.
I can't believe how low his salary was in relation to his responsibilities. The private sector in London would command a multiple of that. I hope that's what he gets next, after having cleaned us up of a couple of millions for his troubles. She will be back in 12 month time. Moral compass well and truly broken.
Shame really, if Philip Rutnam had held out, he'd probably have been destined for big things; just look at his predecessor's career...
Shall we have a sweepstake on what the papers lead with tomorrow? The Johnson dynasty growing or the odious behaviour of a government minister?
Christ almighty, that was a dead cert.
Metro: Covid.
Express: Covid
Sun: Covid - Tories - (blitz spirit! send in the damnbusters!) "we'll shutdown the cities!"
Grauniad: Covid, Turkey/EU border immigrants.
Daily Nazi: Covid - Find the carriers (presumably so they can be hung for treason), Boris Baby.
Times: Covid, why dogs have cold noses, soldier suicide rates.
Torygraph: Covid, Johnson press office spin
FT: Covid, cost of covid, Italy bailout
Mirror: Boris Baby, evil prisoners on probation still murdering people.
Star: Man with no teeth.
Incidentally, how old is the oldest Boris Baby, and is he/she older than the mum of the recently announced Boris Baby.
Eldest child is four years younger than the latest mistress he is marrying while pregnant. Wrong thread though. There’s another one for all this Boris soap opera chat.
Quite right. Apologies for sidetracking...
The civil service is the effective opposition, remember Yes Minister and Yes Prime Minisiter?
A couple of thoughts on this line, one which has been seen in various places over the weekend.
A couple of weeks ago when this story first blew up there were "informed sources" being quoted as saying that one of the things the Minister and Perm. Sec. disagreed with was the rule of law "he believes in it and she doesn't" was the quote I saw but sadly can't find now. There is a suggestion that the removals flight that went off half full following a court hearing was at the centre of this.
One person's "The PS rightly and properly informed the minister that she couldn't do what she wanted, because it would be unlawful" is another person's "he's blocking what we've been elected to do."
Of all places, twitter this morning showed me that difference of outlook in a real world example. Damian Green, former minister, tweeted
I remember the days when @jdportes spend his last few months in Whitehall trying to sabotage the immigration policy-showing complete disregard for the electorate which had just voted for it!
Very damning. Fortunately for us watchers, Jonathan Portes responded, thusly
[edited together from several threaded tweets]
False. I advised PM @DamianGreen's numbers didn't add up & would be undeliverable without significant economic damage. So govt was setting itself up to fail. I was right -- & if PM had listened government would have been much better off... I didn't like the policy - but I did *not* try to sabotage it - I suggested a different, and more realistic, approach to achieving it. Because I was *doing my job* and working *in the interests of the government*.Good insight here into what Philip Rutnam faced..
Sad but revealing a senior Conservative can describe telling Ministers their pet policies are undeliverable, and offering constructive, workable alternatives to achieve the same objectives, as "sabotage". @FDAGenSec @CSW_DepEd. Not how to run a government
Blocking a democratic mandate, or prudent and professional administration? You decide, largely based on the colour your politics I suspect.
Secondly, and a bit tangentially, but I think we're at the point now where we need to put Yes Minister / Prime Minister to bed as thinly disguised documentaries about the workings of government. YM first aired 40 years ago and YPM finished 32 years ago. Things have changed an awful lot since then. Don't forget that with a first transmission in 1980, this is really a product of the 1970s not the 1980s, the time of the post-war "consensus" in British politics when the people and parties in government would change often, but the general outlook of those governments changed relatively little, by more modern standards. It really doesn't stand as a guide to the British state post-Thatcher.
[I think we’re at the point now where we need to put Yes Minister / Prime Minister to bed as thinly disguised documentaries about the workings of government.
Absolutely. Though some of the more interesting elements of my job in Whitehall are uncannily similar to The Thick of It...
The crucial thing the Tories have learned over the past few years is no matter how incompetent, how cruel, or how damaging they are for the country, they'll be voted in year after year. Boris Johnson, upon questioning, could basically shit in a crisp packet and pop it into a journalist's face and the billionaire media but pass it off as a sensible policy or just ignore it altogether. It's simply unimaginable the scrutiny someone like Abbot would be under if she had children out of marriage, made racist slurs (postboxes etc.) or simply declared '**** business' when asked about how central government's policy will affect UK businesses, on which people's livelihoods depend. Basically, truth and coherence don't matter anymore because no one, including the left, can offer a cohesive narrative of their own.
Given her track record of making up government policy on the hoof on a freelance basis while 'on holiday' it can't be much of a surprise that she thinks that she can do whatever she likes and it's everybody else's job to unquestioningly 'make it so' whatever madam demands?
If you look at the backgrounds of everyone presently in this prep school of a government, there can't be any of them who've heard the word 'no' too many times
If you look at the backgrounds of everyone presently in this prep school of a government, there can’t be any of them who’ve heard the word ‘no’ too many times
I wouldn't be surprised if quite a few have, in an Operation Yewtree sort of context.
Oh, the stories they could tell eh?
Being a senior civil servant in HMG seems a pretty varied role all told!
Besides having held influential positions in the Blair administration, Philip Rutnam's predecessor at the Home Office (when Theresa May was Home Secretary*),
Sir Mark Sedwill is:
President of the Special Forces Club
Cabinet Secretary
National Security Adviser
overseeing all intelligence services and the entire Civil Service.
No doubt qualified for such responsibility:
https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/836186354379784192
He also played a key role in the invasion of Iraq...
though suppose that's only to be expected, since prior to being most senior non elected employee of Her Majesty’s Government, he was a UN weapons inspector in Iraq, before being posted to Cyprus...
*Hmmm:
in an Operation Yewtree sort of context
So it looks like she's already got form for bullying. Well who'd have thunk it?
Priti Patel staff member received £25k payout over bullying allegations
A former aide to Priti Patel received a £25,000 payout from the government after claiming she was bullied by the then employment minister.
Legal correspondence seen by the BBC alleges the woman took an overdose of prescription medicine following the alleged incident in 2015.
Stay classy! A normal human being, actually capable of compassion and empathy, rather than a raging sociopath, might possibly have a bit of a think about the way they conduct themsleves given an incident like that. Not Priti. She didn't get where she is today by displaying even the merest shred of humanity or decency.
They really are a truely hateful gang of utter ****s!
Hearing the previous issues being relayed carefully ("alleged" and "they had many hours to reply to our statements") on R4, I got the feeling that a) Evan Davies enjoyed it and b) there's more to come.
I think R4 are keen to twist the knife given the Today boycott.
I think R4 are keen to twist the knife given the Today boycott.
Quite ironic isn't it, considering the BBC did everything they could to get these b***ards into power!
Yes, that's exactly what the BBC did.
And that's exactly why some in the Gov't now want to destroy it.
