And what’s even duller is someone responding by saying how dull the previous opinion was. That’s really **** dull. So was that. It is like a gravitational pull of utter dullness.
I'm actually less interested than you are, and so is my wife.
Amid all the journalistic bollocks surrounding Harry I've just read a piece by a republican army veteran in the Guardian that replys to some of the bollocks quite well:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jan/08/prince-harry-afghanistan-deaths-spare
‘The media’ then continued to run stories on them*, so ‘eff ’em, good on them for having the cajones to go full nuclear.
Damned if they do, damned if they don't.
They can't win - the media has decided to destroy them, so they may as well go down fighting....
I feel quite sorry for him, he can't be very happy right now (or at all with that family).
Well, it's Tuesday, what will Prince Harry Reveal today?
I find it insane that the general public seem to be more outraged about Harry's whining than they were about Andrew paying millions of pounds to silence a victim of sex trafficking (despite having never met her). See also arms sales, racism, bullying, his wife selling access to him etc etc.
The remarkable thing about Harry is is total lack of awareness of real life issues. He sits in his mansion, being paid millions of pounds to talk about family fall outs and press being intrusive. Sure, his problems are real to him, but most people would say he is still in an overwhelmingly fortunate position having been born into a life of luxury and financial security. Perhaps he might benefit from a little bit more self awareness of how his life isn't actually so bad. He is hardly choosing between heating and eating.
I guess it shows what happens when families live in denial for so long it becomes a poison that causes a slow, miserable death of the relationship. Just in this case we all get to suffer it to. I mean does anyone actually still think he's related to King Charles?
Book is out today. This is the closest shop to Windsor Castle that you can buy it. Half price too! Photo from my dog walk last night. Henry was uninterested.
Some people are just county.
I assumed you were trying to avoid the swear filter until...
I know how many cars I’ve owned, I’m not keeping track or aiming for the high score table, it’s just a thing my brain does.
The remarkable thing about Harry is is total lack of awareness of real life issues. He sits in his mansion, being paid millions of pounds to talk about family fall outs and press being intrusive. Sure, his problems are real to him, but most people would say he is still in an overwhelmingly fortunate position having been born into a life of luxury and financial security. Perhaps he might benefit from a little bit more self awareness of how his life isn’t actually so bad. He is hardly choosing between heating and eating.
You think he is totally unaware of his incredible privilege? You think he'd doing this because he believes he's the victim and need a bit of extra cash?
I'd suggest you've possibly got that wrong. I think there is a counter position where he's realised just how ridiculous the whole monarchy situation is (possibly with the help of his millionaire celebrity wife who also has an incredible life of privilege) and thinks the royal world needs a rude awakening to its ridiculousness. I don't despair at Harry for telling his version of events. I do despair that so much of the UK populace has decided he's the bad guy in this and defaulted to protecting the establishment; once again demonstrating that the citizens/subjects of the UK get led in most of their thinking by the media and rarely pause to reflect on their own lives and the society we live in.
You think he is totally unaware of his incredible privilege?
Well, we have a PM who thinks homeless people might be in banking, so it potentially a thing.
You think he’d doing this because he believes he’s the victim and need a bit of extra cash?
I think exactly that.
I don't hate him for it though, he's earning cash and fair play to him for doing so. As I said in my post, I don't think he is the biggest problem in the royal family.
TBH, you can have mental health issues and crises sitting in your mansion, and while he is undoubtedly privileged, he is not insulated from those problems, in fact his upbringing probably makes them more likely.
It's not surprising entirely, Charles is emotionally screwed-up, and has managed to help pass it on down a generation.
Man hands on misery to man.
It deepens like a coastal shelf.
Edukator
Free Member
Amid all the journalistic bollocks surrounding Harry I’ve just read a piece by a republican army veteran in the Guardian that replys to some of the bollocks quite well:OK, so i can tell thee it's very easy to have that view when you're raining death down from 1km away, but when you have to go and walk/drive over the remains of what you've done/ had done at you, the picture and memories are no longer of the"they'd/them'd" especially when the people on the reciving end are not always combatants -that shit haunts you no matter what training.
I do despair that so much of the UK populace has decided he’s the bad guy in this and defaulted to protecting the establishment; once again demonstrating that the citizens/subjects of the UK get led in most of their thinking by the media and rarely pause to reflect on their own lives and the society we live in.
I think he's the bad guy* in this and I'm a newspaper-hating grown-up and can come to my own conclusions.
* I actually think he's a sad guy with definite issues who has been taken advantage of by those around him - going to live in the US has not helped.
This piece on the BBC makes it sound like a pretty good read actually.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-64223264
Also - there doesn't have to be a "bad guy", you don't have to take sides, it's not that simple.
The remarkable thing about Harry is is total lack of awareness of real life issues. He sits in his mansion, being paid millions of pounds to talk about family fall outs and press being intrusive. Sure, his problems are real to him, but most people would say he is still in an overwhelmingly fortunate position having been born into a life of luxury and financial security. Perhaps he might benefit from a little bit more self awareness of how his life isn’t actually so bad. He is hardly choosing between heating and eating.
Looking at it he other way the middle of the bow tie is the media. As this thread shows, enough people do care just enough to click on a few links, read a few tweets, which generates revenue, which is where those millions come from, they don't exist in a vacuum.
We have an NHS on the brink of collapse, endemic corruption, a government that is fascist in all but name and the press is getting its collective knickers in a twist over a privileged family's spat.
Bread and circuses springs to mind!
for all the froth and rage in the daily fail, if the spare was a good little boy Viscount Rothermere would be paying him to act up, it must be verging on 75% of their website content! Never seen so much click bait :/
OK, so i can tell thee it’s very easy to have that view when you’re raining death down from 1km away, but when you have to go and walk/drive over the remains of what you’ve done/ had done at you, the picture and memories are no longer of the”they’d/them’d” especially when the people on the reciving end are not always combatants -that shit haunts you no matter what training.
Plenty of AH pilots have struggled with PTSD as a result of their actions in Afghanistan. Watching in HD as you ragdoll enemy fighters into the air after a hellfire strike or 30mm volley isn't something you probably forget anytime soon.
Not one capbadge or role has a monopoly on what war is or how it affects them, and if you've served then you should have a degree of understanding for the way that those experiences vary from bod to bod.
He is now claiming to be on the sea marshes near Sandringham and calling in Tornados from RAF Marham practising targetting Charles, all whilst staying incognito in a '£100 per night cheap hotel.
Deluded.
Sh1t. Just got sucked in......
I have not really been following this as I consider the whole lot of them parasites but:
PTSD is ruddy awful. I had PTSD type symptoms myself and flashbacks and nightmares are so vivid and nasty I have also looked after WW2 veterans with untreated PTSD. They were really damaged people. Watching 89 yr old men crying at the DDay anniversary was humbling
Harry has also come from a dysfunctional family of emotional cripples. Really damaging as well. His treatment since marrying will also have contributed. what role models did he have? A father incapable of showing affection and a mother who used emotional manipulation to get what she wanted. Has he ever known a normal human?
This is a badly psychologically damaged individual who is thrashing around in reaction
I did catch a glimpse of one interview in the paper and in it he clearly acknowledged his privilege
He is now claiming to be on the sea marshes near Sandringham and calling in Tornados
Rumour has it that he shot 2 Hen Harriers at Wolverton!
The bloke needs help.
He is suffering from the death of his mother and is finding way to release.
Well, Spare had set a new record for the fastest selling non fiction book in the UK.
That'll p**s off the Daily Mail anyway.😁
Well, Spare had set a new record for the fastest selling non fiction book in the UK.
That’ll p**s off the Daily Mail anyway.😁
Conversely 'Happy Valley' had higher viewing figures than his ITV interview.
That’ll p**s off the Daily Mail anyway
Not as much as netflix if the reports of how much they handed over is accurate.
I think people who read watch tabloids and people who read books are two demographics, there may be some crossover but there are two distinct markets there.
Lol
Well, Spare had set a new record for the fastest selling non fiction book in the UK.
Well it did probably have the best marketing and awareness of release of any non fiction book. What other book has had so much help from TV, news media, social media etc,.?
Fiction wise, probably 'Troubled Blood' by Robert Galbraith (JK Rowling)?
Everyone got up in arms about one of the characters dressing up as a woman to assist with a murder.
Turns out that this was a working theory of the lead character. And wrong.
Didn't stop the hysteria getting the book mentioned everywhere.
Harry has also come from a dysfunctional family of emotional cripples. Really damaging as well. His treatment since marrying will also have contributed. what role models did he have? A father incapable of showing affection and a mother who used emotional manipulation to get what she wanted. Has he ever known a normal human?
This is a badly psychologically damaged individual who is thrashing around in reaction
The problem is, they are all the product/victims of the same environment, he is no more a victim or less a perpetrator than the whole family, he has opened his eyes to the problem in a self entitled way without accepting they all had the same upbringing and have the same problems. His reaction to it is turbocharging the impact not breaking away and protecting his new family.
His reaction to it is turbocharging the impact not breaking away and protecting his new family.
Is that not the hollywood way? All family drama can be capitalised on and monetised; the Kardashians have a lot to answer for. 😂
Fiction wise, probably ‘Troubled Blood’ by Robert Galbraith (JK Rowling)?
The fact I have never heard of that book suggests the general public publicity was not even close...
I know it is cheap rumouring but can anyone seriously look at that picture of him and not think that James Hewitt is his dad?
relapsed_mandalorian
Full Member
OK, so i can tell thee it’s very easy to have that view when you’re raining death down from 1km away, but when you have to go and walk/drive over the remains of what you’ve done/ had done at you, the picture and memories are no longer of the”they’d/them’d” especially when the people on the reciving end are not always combatants -that shit haunts you no matter what training.Plenty of AH pilots have struggled with PTSD as a result of their actions in Afghanistan. Watching in HD as you ragdoll enemy fighters into the air after a hellfire strike or 30mm volley isn’t something you probably forget anytime soon.
Not one capbadge or role has a monopoly on what war is or how it affects them, and if you’ve served then you should have a degree of understanding for the way that those experiences vary from bod to bod.
@relapsed_mandalorian i mostly agree with your last point, and yes i have served. I just take annoyance that he seems to think he's managed to "them" the combatants. At the point in time there i'd agree an element of truth in that statement, but he should not be chucking it around so belligerently as it does undermine what others have gone through.
he seems to think he’s managed to “them” the combatants
He's stated what he thought was his coping strategy at the time. That doesn't preclude him being hit hard later. And I don't think he claims to have avoided that happening. He has definitely spoken before about how it can and does hit people, especially in regards to people has has got to know through the Invictus Games. The reporting is very much as if he has made a glib comment about what he did while in service... it's just another example of quoting out of context and cherry picking for clicks and manufacturing outrage as regard him (and his wife).
But on a more general point. We ask people to do the unthinkable when in service. And we also expect them to have strategies to help them function while doing that. But we don't want them to talk about either, despite now have the knowledge gained over the last hundred years to know what that silence can do to people.
I'm still confused or undecided on what I think of Harry. Attention seeking whingy idiot, intentional destabilising monarchy wrecker, damaged and confused, or victim in need of help. I guess I was more toward they first two but an moving much more toward the third. Still with a good chunk of the first too.
I'm not normally interested in monarchy stuff or celeb stuff but the BBC review is the book and a similar guardian one made me think there are probably bits about the book that could be quite entertaining.
I’m still confused or undecided on what I think of Harry
Mad, sad, and valuable consumer product*.
* able to supply a selection of advisors and hangers-on with a long-standing income by keeping the Saxe Coburg Gotha soap opera running and running in the media.
I know it is cheap rumouring but can anyone seriously look at that picture of him and not think that James Hewitt is his dad?
Given what cheap rumouring about his parents and he and his wife appears to have done to him, you'd think decent people would have figured out that it isn't the right thing to do to him - or anyone else?
There is footage of the kitchen square go.
I passed through Glasgow airport earlier. A big pile of Harry’s book, 50% off. What’s that, three days after it was released?
That's not exactly unusual.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Best-Sellers-Books/zgbs/books
Top three books on Amazon, all half price hardbacks. It’s not because they’re not selling.
Spare £14 £28
Bored of Lunch: The Healthy Slow Cooker Book £9 £18.99
Pinch of Nom: Enjoy £10 £20
Similar story for WHSmiths…
https://www.whsmith.co.uk/charts/?c_productFormat=Hardback
[ makes note to pick up the Beano and Private Eye annuals ]
What’s that, three days after it was released?
For some odd reason thats how hardback book predicted bestsellers sales work. Priced high and then immediately discounted by the big chains.
