[Closed] Prince Harry: Racist, or just plain idiot?

Well if I was black, I would be deeply insulted that you thought "black" was a swear word !

I don't! But who knows what a PC filter might think? Or didn't you read my first post? I had hoped that might make my position clear... 🙂

over the top ,imo gutter press at it again,im sorry but it seems such a petty thing the way they wibble on and on about it ,ffs ( not wishing to offend anyone ) just my thoughts

Firstly my bias, I'm for a republic and think that royalty is an irrelevance.

This is a nasty ill-intentioned beat up. The film was done by a young loon at an age when he is entitled to the odd mistake. In the section of the film I saw, I got the impression the context was affectionate and not intended as a slur or insult.

To my mind, intention is what counts, and what we should be cracking down on is the anti-free speech numpties.

Well i had a laugh at work the other day, an Asian colleague & myself were discussing our backgrounds (me from the North East & him from Huddersfield) & then he calls me a 'foreigner' (our workplace is in Yorkshire)to which I pi$$ed myself at the irony of the comment. Later that day I was sitting in a chair on C Wing & Faz rolls up & says, 'Ha, lazy t**t, get some work done, If you don't like to work in this country then **** off back home' Once again I was in stitches & told him to pi$$ off.
Should I have filled in a Racial Incident Report Form?
(Anyone who so much as dares to answer yes to that question is a dick head & is party to the sh!t state this country is in.)

I pi$$ed myself at the irony of the comment.

Where was he born? In Yorkshire? If so, he's got every right to! 😀

I like banter like that, though, as it reminds everyone of the stupidity of real prejudice. Relieves tensions. Me and some of me close mates call each other all sorts. Just absolutely ridiculous. But it never goes outside the group.

I like banter like that ............Relieves tensions

I once told someone at work, "Why don't you **** off you ****". Oh how I laughed ........ does that count ?

.
No idea where he came from mind.

I used to tell people that every day...

...not the best thing to do, when they're customers! 😕

Still funny, though.

So I'm getting this "banter" malarkey right then ?

Cool ....... I can see I'm going to have a right giggle at work tomorrow 8)

Just like his grandpa innit.

🙄

Army officer in use of racist word non-shock....The whole response is getting away fronm the point of why its caused such a fuss, which is the complete and utter pointless at best and vile at worst concept that is royalty. Which is similar to racism really, your birth somehow makes you superior. as for is HArry racist well, I dont know never met him but it doesnt look good. If the comment was made beer in hand with a smile on his face to the guy rather than from distance without the guy hearing it would have looked better.

I have not read the whole thread - but I suspect he is a thick idiot.

this is the most pointless thread I've ever read

Ernie, I get where you're coming from, but you can appreciate the hate wrapped around that word.

So... I've managed 40 years without realising it was considered anything other than an abbreviation. I must be more careful around my nephews girlfriend...

The point of these ponderings?

If I can miss the racist connotation I can fully appreciate how a prince would miss it too.

Lots of replies here seem to consist of people saying "I know a person of asian ethnic origin who jokes with us whites about his racial identity, so therefore it's fine to call people '****'."

Do any of you also refer to your "**** friend" as a "good ****, not like the rest of them"?

Only guessing.

Interesting how some people work from the basis that people aren't racist. In which case calling someone a **** is nothing more than an abbreviation. Others assume they are racist so **** must be a racist term.

Says a lot about the person jumping to the negative conclusion.

Like Blackboard can't be blackboard.

Yes it can. That was one of those stories that the newspapers admit they just made up or distort, like the [i]baa, baa rainbow sheep[/i] thing, or anything related to [i]The War On Christmas[/i].

i'm sure somebody said this before but he's a racist idiot, bit like his grandfather really!

[i]Yes it can. That was one of those stories that the newspapers admit they just made up or distort, like the baa, baa rainbow sheep thing, or anything related to The War On Christmas.[/i]

not all made up - you can't say 'brainstorming', it must be 'thought shower' - at least this is what mrs yosh was told during one of her many guest speaker staff meetings - apparently brainstorming can be offensive to people with epilepsy..................no seriously, this is true!

not all made up - you can't say 'brainstorming', it must be 'thought shower' - at least this is what mrs yosh was told during one of her many guest speaker staff meetings - apparently brainstorming can be offensive to people with epilepsy..................no seriously, this is true!

Made up and then passed on by others who believe it then 🙂

I'm a teacher. We brainstorm and we write on whiteboards (schools don't have blackboards anymore otherwise we'd write on blackboards).

yoshimi - Member
this is the most pointless thread I've ever read

I disagree. From my perspective, it's one of the most interesting ones in a good while.

this is the most pointless thread I've ever read

I agree with RudeBoy; I think this has been a very interesting thread. It's pretty difficult to have a conversation about race and racist (or not) terms with a fairly broad cross-section of people in the real world, so this has been very useful.

@ Yoshimi

"people with epilepsy"

How dare you?!?

It's "[i]people living with Epilepsy[/i]" according to the latest PC nonsense in the NHS. Apparently I'm also not allowed to say I'm diabetic as that's not allowed either. It has to be "[i]I am living with Diabetes[/i]".

[i]Made up and then passed on by others who believe it then [/i]

thats a very good point........................I do remember questioning the credentials of this guest speaker (or person of little relevance trying to impart their knowledge on people at the coal face as mrs yosh would say) when I was told this.

[i]It's "people living with Epilepsy" according to the latest PC nonsense in the NHS. Apparently I'm also not allowed to say I'm diabetic as that's not allowed either. It has to be "I am living with Diabetes".
[/i]

I'm glad I only live with alcohol as opposed to being an alcoholic 😀

I still maintain this is a pointless thread - but I keep reading:(

An interesting aside on this. For many years I used the term - "**** shop" for the small grocers open all ours that we all know and love. Now I use the term "asian grocers"

Is "**** shop" offensive? I must ask my local asian grocer

TJ; what, actually ask someone who might be affected, what they think? Blimey, that's an unusual tack. What a strange concept.. 🙄

Please, do. I'd be very interested in what they have to say, actually. Last couple of days, from talking to Asian people locally, it seems that most think it's a storm in a teacup, and only a few think Harry was in any way being racist. But almost all said they'd prefer not to hear the term '****' being used to describe themselves (especially as many are Bangladeshi, and don't appreciate the association with a nation which theirs fought a very bloody war against). And one ****stani bloke I spoke to, said that he felt the term had racist and abusive connotations, and that people had to be very careful about it's use.

Interesting, the difference between what the papers say, and what 'real' people think...

Does any even half intelligent person not realise that like ****, **** is used as a racist term. Of course **** shop is an offensive term, whether or not someone is offended by it is another question but it is so obviously racist I cannot believe someone would be dumb enough to ask...... Its bringing race into the discussion of a corner shop and IMO it is therefore racist.

I think **** is an offensive word as it has become a generic term for everyone with origins in the Indian subcontinent, regardless of wether they come from ****stan or not.

If used to describe folks from ****stan, it shouldn't be any more offensive than Brit or Aussie but over the years it has gathered a more sinister feel to it and I don't think it's a word that anyone should really consider using.

But almost all said they'd prefer not to hear the term '****' being used to describe themselves (especially as many are Bangladeshi, and don't appreciate the association with a nation which theirs fought a very bloody war against).

It is rather like an Asian calling someone British a German, isn't it?

I think my local asian grocers are not of ****stani descent anyway. 3 generations of them work in it and the two younger generations have Edinburgh accents.

**** shop has been used in my experience as a generic term for "cornershop run by folk from the Indian subcontinent open all hours" for decades.

It is rather like an Asian calling someone British a German, isn't it?

Hmm, never really considered the similarity, but yes, I suppose so.

Bangladeshis and ****stanis do get on quite well round here, actually. I think it's because they are mostly Muslim. I know there can be tensions towards Sikhs and Hindus, which is sad.

I love the way that people who are not from a particular race can call something that people call members of that race 'not racist'.

(re-reads sentence and not sure he understands it himself)

It's like me saying 'I can't see what the problem is, some bloke at work called a welsh person a "cottage-burning leek-crunching inbred baby-killing retard" and everyone's up in arms. That's not offensive, it's just long-hand for 'Welsh'.'
Whereas if I were a welshy, I'd probably find that a bit of a sweeping generalisation.

so Tandem how is an asian run corner shop different from any other? I use the term asian shop for the ones near me that sell lots of funny shaped fruit and curry powder and would think that the people running them would be within their rights to be offended if I went up to them and said "hows the **** shop today mate". I dont understand why you need to bring race into the discription of a corner shop. I've got a white mate who runs a corner shop I dont call it a white shop or brit shop, because its not useful in describing it.

3 generations of them work in it and the two younger generations have Edinburgh accents.

I was at uni with a lad from Edinburgh called Colin, who was of Chinese descent. When I first met him, I'd got all ready for a Chinese accent so couldn't understand what on Earth he was saying, until I realised he had a "Scottish" accent.

A pal of mine from the northeast said he was "popping down the **** shop", I was gobsmacked and told him "you can't say that".

He was just as surprised that I was shocked.

I suspect that casual/unthinking racism is just more acceptable in some parts of the country, perhaps where there's been less immigration?

cha****ng, was that because he was actually off to Waitrose?

Its funny though what people dont realise, my boss, constantly and I mean constantly waffles on about it being grim up north, everytime I mention I went back to the midlands this weekend to see mates/family or what ever. Now its not really offenive at all but it does start to grate after a while (especially as I'm from the ****in MIDLANDS you retard!!!) and the fact that he is my boss makes it worse, now I'm sure he'd be upset and sorry if I pointed it out but he really doesnt seem to understand. The fact that he's in a position of power makes it worse. I think it may be the same as Harry using ****, its his position that makes it worse.

especially as I'm from the ****in MIDLANDS you retard!!!

And that's in the south, as everyone knows.

exactly us midlanders get it from both ends, so to speak.

angallis - I wasn't defending the practice and as I said its not a term I now use.

The "small corner shop open all hours" is something I have never seen run by anyone but folk from the subcontinent. "**** shop" became a common use shorthand for this - certainly in Manchester / Glasgow / Edinburgh where I have lived. I am talking about something that goes back decades - into the 70's when folk were not as aware of the racist connotations as they are now.

"Asian Grocers" - to distinguish this type of shop that is actually useful and open all ours and belongs to a subtype of shop usually run by asians?

Sloppy use of language and I posted it to see others views on it.

no anagallis, the fact that you say it grates, yet haven't even raised it with him is what makes it worse. Don't whine about something you're in a position to change yet have made no effort to.

But yes, to most right thinking people, the midlands is as good as north.

Naive, not malicious or racist IMO.

But the worse thing is that it was reported like it was the "crime of century".

I continue to ignore journalism.

Overheard one of my cousins children saying to my daughter "You're not allowed to call me a ****" By way of an introduction once, (both were about 4/5 at the time) Ohhh the ruckus..... 🙂

Pk ripper - midlands is way down south.

A friend of mine from Manchester came to a party I held in Edinburgh. He was most put out to be introduced to folk as "my pal from down south"

but TJ, i would probably introduce you as the chap that lives next door to Santa, you're that far north!