Saville was predatory whereas it seems Andrew let things happen to him.
If there is a difference between the two it's more in the profile of the women. Saville preyed on the most vulnerable but Andy in general was seen with women in their 20s. Whether he was covering his own arse we can't know but the cop was very clear that the women he was letting into Buck house were over 20 in his opinion. I'll give Andy the benefit of the doubt on whether he knew Jenna was under 18, he should have asked/checked. However, I have no doubt that he was aware that many of the women he benefitted from the services of were being paid. The morality of adult prostitution is up for debate, under 18 pimping and prostitution is universally condemned, he was careless and is paying the price.
I wasn't sure whether to put this here or the Trump thread but,
A searchable database of the leaked Epstein files, you say?
https://journaliststudio.google.com/pinpoint/search?collection=2283eeed70befac7
Source: (link is via 'xcancel' which is a filter depriving X of traffic)
http://xcancel.com/zeteo_news/status/1989399768666395066
They've got him.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c70kjr9wjw0t
Police statement in full as Andrew arrested
We've now seen a statement from Thames Valley police, which says:
"As part of the investigation, we have today (19/2) arrested a man in his sixties from Norfolk on suspicion of misconduct in public office and are carrying out searches at addresses in Berkshire and Norfolk.
"The man remains in police custody at this time.
"We will not be naming the arrested man, as per national guidance. Please also remember that this case is now active so care should be taken with any publication to avoid being in contempt of court."
Assistant Chief Constable Oliver Wright said: “Following a thorough assessment, we have now opened an investigation into this allegation of misconduct in public office.
“It is important that we protect the integrity and objectivity of our investigation as we work with our partners to investigate this alleged offence.
“We understand the significant public interest in this case, and we will provide updates at the appropriate time.”
About time !
I'm getting the word.....
The arrest isn't actually for the noncey stuff though, is it?
Wow. How far he's fallen.
Could open the food gate to other charges, we'll see.
I'm not so certain he'll see the inside of a prison though but for an entitled guy like him this is about as low as it can get I would imagine.
I hope that was a deliberate decision to arrest him on his birthday, that should really mess with his inflated sense entitlement
Sarah next.
astonishing development. My understanding is that misconduct in public office is hard to prove so the cops must have some high quality evidence
Must have significant evidence now to make it stick ! Calls for people to come forward about the sexual abuse as well.
The arrest isn't actually for the noncey stuff though, is it?
Capone was only arrested for tax evasion...
And on the day of his 66th. Happy birthday you sweaty nonce!
I’m looking forward to the food gate opening, will it be all pizza?
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My understanding is that misconduct in public office is hard to prove so the cops must have some high quality evidence
I was thinking the same. They must be very confident in the evidence they have.
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Its hardly good news for the UK though is it. One of the most prominent public figures in Britain paraded through the courts on the world stage with all that entails.
Once again the yanks have shafted us whilst protecting their own.
Flight risk!!!
Once again the yanks have shafted us whilst protecting their own.
hopefully open a few more eyes
He won't go behind real bars if convicted, will he? Shirley it will be house arrest.
Once again the yanks have shafted us whilst protecting their own.
In defence of a huge number of Americans, I'm sure that plenty would happily see justice served to their countrymen in those files. But rule one of the authoritarian playbook is to keep your friends close and your enemies closer, because they are two sides of the same coin.
Its hardly good news for the UK though is it
All depends on whether you see pursuing justice equally, no matter who the person, is a good thing or not I suppose.
Its hardly good news for the UK though is it.
I would say its mixed. If they are held to account it shows we do actually have some standards unlike the USA. Plus its not just the UK.
Norways former PM Thorbjørn Jagland has been charged and a few others are under investigation there including a princess.
France has at least one ex senior minister being investigated with properties being searched but dont think any arrests yet.
Various others as well.
Its hardly good news for the UK though is it.
I think it demonstrates that no-one is above the law, that we have the ability to identify and deal with wrong-uns.
Remember, other that Ghislaine Maxwell, no-one else anywhere in the world has been held to account for any aspect of the Epstein horror show. So, surprisingly, the UK is showing some leadership here.*
*still only the tip of the iceberg and so much more that needs to happen
The arrest isn't actually for the noncey stuff though, is it?
But now he's under arrest the police can search all his premises and confiscate computers, phones & iPads etc -
It's going to be the Windsor Files next ...
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Arrest means police can search Andrew's homes and possessionspublished at 11:10
Dal Babu, former Metropolitan Police Chief Superintendent, tells BBC News that pressure has been "growing and growing" over the last few weeks.
The ex-senior police officer says that by arresting Andrew, police will be able "to access computer equipment, files, photographs, any other evidence".
He also says officers "can carry out searches of any premises he owns or occupies, or any other premises he controls, so there may well be searches in other areas as well".
All depends on whether you see pursuing justice equally, no matter who the person, is a good thing or not I suppose.
I'm not sure equal justice for all is really the motive at the bottom of all this.
That not withstanding, it would be a good time to conduct a thorough audit of the whole rotten lot of them (the Royal Family) - how they have managed to amass (steal) so much wealth from the country and when they are going to pay it back. Its about time the whole edifice was brought down and with so much negative press around it might as well be now.
I mean if you just take five minutes to think about 'a royal family' in 2026 and what it means..........its insane they exist.
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Its hardly good news for the UK though is it. One of the most prominent public figures in Britain paraded through the courts on the world stage with all that entails.
Once again the yanks have shafted us whilst protecting their own.
on the contrary. The UK is prosecuting while the US does nothing. It shows the rule of law is still working here.
The UK is prosecuting while the US does nothing.
Not quite true - the Septics have prosecuted Ghislaine Maxwell who is <checks notes> a woman. And the Dow is at 50,000 (or something)
ill bet hes not bothered, hes excellent under pressure and theres no way he'll incriminate himself under interview...
'Let me state clearly: the law must take its course.' said Charles
Your ****ed Andy.
But now he's under arrest the police can search all his premises and confiscate computers, phones & iPads etc -
It's going to be the Windsor Files next ...
That's it, isn't it.
Either they believe that they have enough evidence to secure a conviction for "misconduct" or they have a high degree of confidence that they're going to uncover some serious shit once they've got the powers to go looking for it. Or, ideally, both.
It's going to be a particularly messy and highly public climb-down if they have to go "oops, sorry about that old chap, we were just making enquiries." Also it would send a very clear message to those who think themselves untouchable that that are in fact just that.
This surely must be a one-way route, it has to be. No-one is going to arrest the artist formerly known as a Prince unless they're very certain that it'll stick. Surely.
Your ****ed Andy.
Possibly - but I think the King has know about this for quite some considerable time. Whether he (the King) remains protected will be interesting to see (well of course he will)
Fergie and Andrew have been put out to dry for a while whilst the children have remained 'in the Palace' tells you everything you need to know
I wonder how much additional incriminating evidence will turn up as part of all these arrests and investigations around Europe, which will not be under the control Trump.
Hopefully it will snowball. If we can deal with ours properly, it might embolden the yanks to stand up to their dear leader a bit
The UK is prosecuting while the US does nothing.
Not quite true - the Septics have prosecuted Ghislaine Maxwell who is <checks notes> a woman. And the Dow is at 50,000 (or something)
And they'd already convicted Epstein of child sex offences and were pursuing sex trafficking charges when he 'killed' himself in prison.
So not an entirely accurate assessment of them doing 'nothing'.
Hopefully it will snowball. If we can deal with ours properly, it might embolden the yanks to stand up to their dear leader a bit
Doubtful. Andrew was essentially a celebrity with connections.
In the US side of this are people with real pull and the man who controls the judiciary in their pocket. It would be good to see but I won't hold my breath.
Possibly - but I think the King has know about this for quite some considerable time. Whether he remains protected will be interesting to see (well of course he will)
I'm not so sure, you know. That quote from Charles reads very much like damage limitation to me. He's distancing the Palace from Randy Andy and tacitly saying that they should throw the book at him.
I have learned with the deepest concern the news about Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor and suspicion of misconduct in public office.
What now follows is the full, fair and proper process by which this issue is investigated in the appropriate manner and by the appropriate authorities.
In this, as I have said before, they have our full and wholehearted support and co-operation.
Let me state clearly: the law must take its course.
As this process continues, it would not be right for me to comment further on this matter.
Meanwhile, my family and I will continue in our duty and service to you all. Charles R.
astonishing development. My understanding is that misconduct in public office is hard to prove so the cops must have some high quality evidenceYou may have confused arrest and charge. All that's required is an allegation and reasonable suspicion for the arrest, a search can then follow and he can be interviewed - but if he gives a no comment interview, and a search doesn't find anything there's a good chance he is released without charge. He could still be out in time for his reservation at Pizza Express this evening! Here's the requirements for charging: https://www.cps.gov.uk/prosecution-guidance/misconduct-public-office
Feels like its a wee bit of a royal PR stunt! Be seen to be on a level playing field with the proles, but in reality no real prospect of a conviction. Do nothing and the public might actually start to question the institution rather than the individuals. And of course the police will be playing the same game - wanting to be seen not to have favourites.
Hopefully it will snowball. If we can deal with ours properly, it might embolden the yanks to stand up to their dear leader a bit
this!
Cant help but feel it's the other way of getting un-redacted evidence out into the open (eventually) - i bet Trump is pooping himself - though that's not unusual.
It's going to be the Windsor Files next ...
Very difficult to release anything they find with a warrant that is not pertinent to a trial for the specific offence the warrant was issued for. Even matters they find on unrelated criminal offences become complex / messy. The juicy gossip the media crave should certainly not be released.
All that's required is an allegation and reasonable suspicion for the arrest, a search can then follow and he can be interviewed - but if he gives a no comment interview, and a search doesn't find anything there's a good chance he is released without charge. He could still be out in time for his reservation at Pizza Express this evening! Here's the requirements for charging:
Agreed and I know our Police force sometimes make huge errors in judgement but I doubt even they would be that daft to arrest the highest profile person in the world right now, only to ‘say afterwards it was only a hunch and we got it wrong ‘
The decision to take it further would have been made based on lots of evidence been put before the Police, PM and king
I’d imagine the decision was made the day before he moved house in a hurry
Meanwhile, my family and I will continue in our duty and service to you all. Charles R.
Excellent trolling from the Kingy
Feels like its a wee bit of a royal PR stunt! Be seen to be on a level playing field with the proles, but in reality no real prospect of a conviction.
If this is their plan, it's beyond terrible.
misconduct in public office
Isn't passing confidential information to foreign nationals normally described as spying? Would it be described as 'misconduct in public office' if his paedo friend had been Russian instead of American?
Sounds like treason to me.
Feels like its a wee bit of a royal PR stunt! Be seen to be on a level playing field with the proles, but in reality no real prospect of a conviction.
misconduct in public office
I've never really understood what this means?
Peeing in the filing cabinet during an office Xmas party........all the way through to spying for foreign nationals, it seems.
Feels like its a wee bit of a royal PR stunt! Be seen to be on a level playing field with the proles, but in reality no real prospect of a conviction. Do nothing and the public might actually start to question the institution rather than the individuals. And of course the police will be playing the same game - wanting to be seen not to have favourites.
It’s a complete PR stunt to protect the King. Why hasn’t Charles ever been arrested for taking brown bags of cash from dubious sources? What about his role in the attempted cover up he and his Mum spent £12million on plus whatever other shenanigans they tried via the back channels. Im sure the protection officers knew what was going on and the family were. All this talk in Charles statement of no one being above the law is hilariously pathetic coming from him.
They could have carted him off in the back of a van or a knackered Astra rather than some fancy Range Rover.
Suddenly everyone in the country wants to do jury service 😂
And remember what happened to the last royal to be arrested, Charles I.
It would be a neat and tidy way to remove him from the line of succession too.
And remember what happened to the last royal to be arrested, Charles I
I'm not sure he was actually arrested as we understand it in a modern sense 😀 , but I googled a list of Royal arrests and the recent ones were Princess Anne (the current one) for a charge under the dangerous dogs act. Then Zara Tindall for crimes against rugby or something. Bunch of wrong'uns, but we knew that in the 1640s.
Could the do him for possession of an offensive wife?
All that's required is an allegation and reasonable suspicion for the arrest, a search can then follow and he can be interviewed -
Indeed - but to arrest such a high profile person I still expect more than a hunch - some decent quality info already
Could the do him for possession of an offensive wife?
Maybe they could also arrest him for walking on the cracks in the pavement and walking in a loud shirt in a built-up area during the hours of darkness? 😀
So has Sarah fled the country already - UAE I believe. Warrant for her arrest soon ?
Could the do him for possession of an offensive wife?
I don't usually go there but, given the vile things that Andrew had done, do we really have to revert to shit like this?
Suddenly everyone in the country wants to do jury service 😂
I'd want the heating maxed out in the room to see if the little bugger sweats.😁
I don't usually go there but, given the vile things that Andrew had done, do we really have to revert to shit like this?
I think you are missing the reference, see post below on walking on cracks in the pavement. It's if you are not as old as some of us actually a reference to police racism and to a lesser extent misogyny rather than how it might be read in isolation
Indeed - but to arrest such a high profile person I still expect more than a hunch - some decent quality info already
...the police tipped the BBC off over the Cliff Richard raid - just saying! 🙂
misconduct in public office
I've never really understood what this means?
Ideally you go for a primary offence, whether that be fraud, assault or whatever.
In this case you link acts in public office to what happened on a specific day.
A police officer is always in public office while appointed, but is a prince always in public office, or only when on Royal duties? I dunno.
Misconduct is a bit of a broad catch-all, but can involve "Cases involving abuse of position for a sexual purpose", eg police officers having sexual relations with a vulnerable victim, ie otherwise legal and consensual.
There's a raft of civil offences too: misfeasance, malfeasance (more serious) and nonfeasance (doing nothing when you should act).
Sounds like treason to me.
Cool, can he be the next "attraction" at the Tower of London?
That's still the penalty for treason isn't it, being locked up in the Tower?
Possibly - but I think the King has know about this for quite some considerable time. Whether he remains protected will be interesting to see (well of course he will)
I'm not so sure, you know. That quote from Charles reads very much like damage limitation to me. He's distancing the Palace from Randy Andy and tacitly saying that they should throw the book at him.
I see it as His mum protected him, his big brother is not
A police officer is always in public office while appointed, but is a prince always in public office, or only when on Royal duties? I dunno.
MY understanding its in connection with his role as a trade envoy and passing sensitive info to Epstein - so not as a royal but as a trade envoy
Are you suggesting he has done a "Richard Roper" ?
im 50:50. There are conspiracy theories knocking around for sure, with photographs of a guy whole looks suspciously like him with a few personal protection looking blokes, in TelAviv.
Conspiracy theorists used to claim there was a cabal of word leaders trading children too, so i dont know what to believe any more.
Feels like its a wee bit of a royal PR stunt! Be seen to be on a level playing field with the proles, but in reality no real prospect of a conviction.
If this is their plan, it's beyond terrible.
It's not. Charles doesn't control the police or the prosecution service, not on paper and not in reality.
A police officer is always in public office while appointed, but is a prince always in public office, or only when on Royal duties? I dunno.
MY understanding its in connection with his role as a trade envoy and passing sensitive info to Epstein - so not as a royal but as a trade envoy
Thanks TJ. I haven't seen specifics, Thames Valley Police is also investigating allegations relating to a female https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp3zg9g3v4lo
the police tipped the BBC off over the Cliff Richard raid - just saying!
Well officer you see what happened was a Devil Woman introduced me to The Young Ones on a Summer Holiday and being a Bachelor Boy I thought I like the look of that Living Doll she's a real High Class Baby and isn't it Wonderful To Be Young but I really can't help you further because We Don't Talk Anymore.
think you are missing the reference,
Rigjto. Ta.
Will have another read if my brain ever starts working
I see in the news that Princess Anne is out today visiting a...
...prison.
You couldn't make it up.
A textbook example of FAAFO. 😏
MY understanding its in connection with his role as a trade envoy and passing sensitive info to Epstein - so not as a royal but as a trade envoy
When Mandleson passed info to Epstein in relation to the banking details he was privy to, was he a public servant/MP? Presumably if he was, he can expect to also have his collar felt?
I hope so. It seems to me from the press reports the Andrew case is more clearcut but Mandy must be sweating