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He’s being poorly advised as the lawyers are claiming he never had a friendship with Ms Maxwell, despite several papers stating that they dated in the past! It can only be a money thing now and he loses either way.
In fairness just because the press say it, doesn't make it true! I think his wording was more specific than no friendship (that would be daft to claim - he invited them to Balmoral!) but no close friendship (or something suitably subjective!).
A significant chunk of Americans don’t think things have moved on since George III so the idea of a member of the UK royal family, partiularly one with a semi-detached view of his own self importance, requesting a jury trial is a joke (I realise that if he doesn’t settle that he won’t have a choice about a jury trial).
Who is advising him, how much are they getting paid, & can I apply for a job?
Radio 4 had an interview with an ex US prosecutor this morning. She pointed out the Ms Guiffre has already requested a jury trial, so Mr Windsor doing the same makes no difference - Ms Guiffre has the right to have this civil case tried by a jury.
She also thought the rest of the submission was very standard.
Surely this is master stroke. If her lawyers prove he was a close friend/associate of Epstein then he should be covered by the agreement she signed and the case thrown out.
If they don't there is no way he could have known she was trafficked and the case thrown out.
Or this might just be posturing to lower any settlement.
Or shock horror he might not have known anything and simply had his picture taken when someone came up/was pushed towards him at a party. As a Prince I suspect he has had his picture taken with a lot of people and I suspect Epstein took many such pictures irrespective of if anything else happened so he could imply something might have happened if his associates ever turned against him.
Americast interviewed an excellent US lawyer recently and he talked through how things might pan out. He suggested the most likely outcome is the Andrew will default, basically not show up. He will be found guilty in his absence but without any form of trial. He will claim that that he would not have had a fair trial due to his profile and that is why he did not attend, so in his mind guilty on a technicality only. He will then use that to justify not paying up and good luck chasing his wealth from the US.
Even if he was to attend and be found not guilty, the publicity of a trial could potentially be worse that guilt through default.
Have you misunderstood what it means to ask for a jury in a US civil court case? I think she may also have suggested it should be a jury?
Radio 4 had an interview with an ex US prosecutor this morning. She pointed out the Ms Guiffre has already requested a jury trial, so Mr Windsor doing the same makes no difference
yes, I heard similar on R6 news this morning. She said all Andrew Windsor had done is agree to it.
II like this bit from the BBC website "On the matter of a photograph of the prince with his arm around Ms Giuffre, with Maxwell in the background, his lawyers say they do not have enough information to admit or deny its existence."
Um guys, scroll up a bit and the photo is there. So yes, it does exist.
II like this bit from the BBC website “On the matter of a photograph of the prince with his arm around Ms Giuffre, with Maxwell in the background, his lawyers say they do not have enough information to admit or deny its existence.”
Um guys, scroll up a bit and the photo is there. So yes, it does exist.
That's not actually what the lawyers wrote though!
What they actually said:
38. The below photograph depicts Prince Andrew, Plaintiff, and Maxwell at Maxwell's home prior to Prince Andrew sexually abusing Plaintiff.
Prince Andrew lacks sufficient information to admit or deny the allegations contained in paragraph thirty-eight of the Complaint.
It could be that Prince Andrew is unable to confirm that the photograph was taken at Maxwell's home, or perhaps that the premises was even Maxwell's home. More likely he can't recall if it was taken before or after abusing her 😉
Its all over?
Settled?
Original photo lost?
What is the latest news, have we forgiven him and realised she was just trying grab some $$$?
Bugger...fun over!
Thanks BillMC. I wonder if we will ever see the numbers involved.
I was looking forward to seeing him in court, desperately trying to wriggle his way out of it.
He avoids court
She gets compensation
His reputation is trashed.
Everyone sorted?
"Prince Andrew intends to make a substantial donation to Ms Giuffre's charity in support of victims' rights.
How thoughtful
I was looking forward to seeing him in court, desperately trying not to sweat
to wriggle his way out of it.
Everyone sorted?
I suspect not.
He was always going to do this - there was no way his legal team were going to let it get to court.. Based on previous performances he'd get torn apart if cross examined.
I really wanted to see him sweating in the witness box but realistically he was never going to go to court.
Would it be noncencical to think we'll be paying for this?
Can we still have a revolution?
His legal team probably said to her how many £million will it cost to make this go away...
Wonder if you'd be able review donations to her charity accounts if it gets a massive boost?
The duke also pledged to "demonstrate his regret for his association" with the late convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein by supporting the "fight against the evils of sex trafficking, and by supporting its victims".
He also commended the "bravery of Ms Giuffre and other survivors in standing up for themselves and others".
What an utterly cowardly little shitty slimeball he is. We can only be thankful that all those close to him will know just exactly what he is – and it extends to well beyond just being an utterly cowardly little shitty slimeball.
Hmm, I wonder if the bank of mum (ie: us) made this possible in exchange for his titles etc last month?
I suspect all those close to him have known a long time just exactly what he is and aren't particularly fussed. I think they get a bit annoyed when it's "the Firm" getting tarnished but it's only the little people...
He obviously comes out of this extremely badly & he's finished as an 'active member of the Royal Family', but it does suggest she was only in it for the cash.
it does suggest she was only in it for the cash
Turning down a settlement doesn't go down well in the courts there.
The cash is going to charity, unless she’s a manager of it like Cpt Tom's daughter
but it does suggest she was only in it for the cash.
I too thought I had heard she was adamant she wanted her day in court and an apology
That said, the payout is imo as good as an admission of guilt. And if I was her I’d rather have the cash than an acknowledgment of guilt and a half assed apology
Well, there's the unsurprising ending. Rich man solves legal problem with large sum of cash.
I was hoping for the Scooby Doo ending, but you can't have everything.
The cash is going to charity
I read it as both.... she'll be getting a settlement (which she needs, not least for legal costs) AND he'll be donating to the charity.
the payout is imo as good as an admission of guilt.
That's exactly what it is
it does suggest she was only in it for the cash
... which she won't see a penny of as she's donated it all to a charity supporting the victims of sex trafficking
I was hoping for the Scooby Doo ending
What - pulling his mask off and finding out it was the Queen all along?
What – pulling his mask off and finding out it was all four members of Queen all along?
TBH I was just shamelessly pilfering jokes from Mike Myers, but your plot works.
I read it as both…. she’ll be getting a settlement (which she needs, not least for legal costs) AND he’ll be donating to the charity.
That's what I thought, but the articles I've re-reard don't actually make this clear.
all four members of Queen
Freddie Mercury has an alibi...
I was hoping for the Scooby Doo ending
He was meddling with the kids.
I'm pretty sure VG would have preferred to have seen justice done but that was never going to happen.
A settlement and the admissions he has made was the best she was going to get.
Lawyer on the news reckons Andrew's total cost is £10million.
So many variables, reality is that the reason is down to the lawyers, his were costing a fortune, hers were working on a win based fee, so having a settlement suits both sides of the lawyers, they all get paid, Andrew minimises his losses as it's now ended, and Guiffre gets a payout.
I don't think anyone comes out of this well, Guiffre was always going on about her day in court, now that's gone, again, potentially taken away by the lawyers getting the least riskiest payout for them, Andrew avoids court, but settling out of court always looks bad, even though in the states it happens a lot with innocent parties minimising their losses and negative press.
Personally, i just see Andrew as an entitled twit who's spent his life a bit sheltered, did he sleep with her, again, my opinion, probably, but he again probably thought she really liked him (who wouldn't like the dashing prince he thinks he was!) and that was it. Will he be back, i think he will be, slowly but surely, look at the amount of celebrities who have settled out of court in similar circumstances, when it comes down to civil cases and that burden of proof argument, they panic, which i'd say is also not a good thing, as it pushes civil cases to being settled, even with very limited evidence.
HRH was never going to let Andrew be cross examined. That would have been a disaster for the firm. Everyone including Guiffre has a price and the palace coughed up. Good on Guiffre for not giving in and taking them on.
Nonce.
Argee sums it up for me. He's guilty of being a dick at the least, at 40 he should have been aware and mature enough to know sleeping with a 17 year old was not right regardless of how much she wanted to although I can see how he got into that position it doesn't excuse his behaviour. And that's the best case scenario. She's not entirely a victim here either, we don't know how complicit she was, she has been implicated in trafficking others as well so her demands for justice seem to ring a bit hollow. Hopefully they will all go away and the news can get back to important issues like getting Boris out if power.
An expensive shag 😀
As odious as Prince Andrew may or may not be, it's irrelevant. It's a shakedown, plain and simple. Somebody's getting paid.