theres more quotes than anything else
we owe al at least five pages no?
ftfysimples
Eeny, meeny, miny, moe... Nuanced?
Be fair the professional tv presenter tried so hard to avoid saying it that he inadvertently said it. Despite the repeated incidents he, and the show, are really really not racist. Who amongst us is not in trouble yearly at work for a clumsy racial faux pas?
Pretty much the opposite of what he said.
Like the others your point is lost on me
Harry_the_Spider - Member
Thank you, [s]God[/s] Al.
For reminding me.
Thank you [s]God[/s] Harry
For continuing to let it go over your head.
[b][u]DO YOU GET IT YET?[/u][/b]
Wonder what happend to the cars they left behind?
How many pages by the time it's shown on DAVE?
I tell you what - I'd rather end up in a pub having a pint with Hammond, May and Clarkson, than most of the miserable buggers on here
That include me TAFKASTR?
As per usual the same names crop up with the same tired sentances about Top Gear being racist, homophobic , zenophobic etc, like proffesional politically corrected management types.Its NOT its like people i work for every day, i meet when out that talk like that have a laugh and accept the banter back, and if they do go to far, apologise profuesly and learn from their mistakes..
When you consider all the work that must be put in to create such a large budget programe, and the amount of travel, hotels, and equipment along with vehicles that ned to be bought and transported to a foreign country populated by foreigners, surely somewhere down the line those foreigners would say we dont like that or we do like that and ask /demand changes, we will never know, whgat we do know is a lot of excellent filming editing and preperation goes into each episode, and yet the few find one or two seemingly racist terms to themselves anoying and worthy of complaint on a cycling forum instead of the BBC, or Ofcom etc.
If you dont like TG, dont watch to look for some child like japes, we would all love to be part of, no one gets hurt, and a lot get enjoyment from.
[b]cynic-al - Member[/b]That include me TAFKASTR?
Most definitely not Al - I'd have a pint with you any time
If it is just professionally offended PC types why is Clarkson on his last warning? There is considerable difference between banter between friends and being the butt of the loudmouth racists/homophobes jokes/rants/bullying.
whgat we do know is a lot of excellent filming editing and preparation goes into each episode
and despite this they still keep using racist language
Nice defence
If you dont like TG, dont watch
I dont watch it this is a thread on it.
apologise profuesly and learn from their mistakes
In what world has Top Gear or Clarkson done this? As credible as the nuanced humour argument
so without watching TG, you now believe its full of non PC language.
and that clarkson is on his final warning, when the programe is totally scripted and the foremat decided by the producer and editor and director, its not live so can easily be edited which it is very well done.
Just perhaps saying clarkson is on his final warning will make peeps look at the programe and think whats that all about,always seems to happen just before a new series
without watching TG, you now believe its full of non PC language.
yes and without going to the north pole i think its cold and without beating my wife I think its wrong
Even you think that its just you just dont care/ term it banter. Everyone agrees on that we only disagree on whether it is ok or not. FWIW i called him a racist as that is what he is or a person who uses racial words and racit stereotypes...though i may just be missing the nuanced humour of it all.
as for the warning you could google how often he has said and see if he says it every series. You are clutching at straws somewhat with that point.
You seem to be arguing its not possible to think its not PC without watching it and also arguing the BBC publicise it as not PC in order to get folk to watch it.
Youtube car stuff is so much better than Top Gear these days- The episodes of Roadkill with the General Mayhem 😀
Without the "controversy" it was another incredibly predictable rehash of a long tired formula. I was wondering what the odds of him choosing that car accidentally would be, then I saw this on facebook
[url= http://www.cityam.com/1412417770/jeremy-clarkson-falklands-number-plate-fiasco-how-likely-it-registration-was-accident ]h982 fkl[/url]
I don't actually agree with their method there, but they've also just assumed it was set in stone that Clarkson would choose a Porsche 928, out of the many thousands of V8 cars he could have chosen. Absolutely no way the entire production crew missed that. As you've now seen the support team is enormous, but that's just the tip of the ice berg. There will have been double or triple that number of people involved in the production before the shoot.
Would like to see a behind scenes program of a TG special - didn't expect there to be as much gear/vehicles as was shown in the snippets last night
Pretty much the opposite of what he said.
Like the others your point is lost on me
Morecashthandash specifically said using the N word or Slope was not acceptable.
DrJ then replied as though he had said that using them was ok. And was defending their use.
ie: exactly the opposite of what morecashthandash said.
Morecashthandash specifically said using the N word or Slope was not acceptable.DrJ then replied as though he had said that using them was ok. And was defending their use.
ie: exactly the opposite of what morecashthandash said.
Well done, nealglover.
Pretty much the opposite of what I said.
I said that if MCTD could defend using a sterotype of Mexicans because it is outdated, then logically he must defend an outdated stereotype of black people and consider it ok to use the "n" word, which he specifically did not. In other words his position, such as it is, is not consistent.
I was wondering what the odds of him choosing that car accidentally would be, then I saw this on facebook
whatever number plate he got the odds are roughly that - ie very long indeed as it is with your number plate and mine- ie all number plates - 1 or there abouts. It does not show they knew or did it on purpose. They may have been unlucky but it is hard to be sure as it seems unlikely they would go there and not mention the Falklands,
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The N word is offensive because of it's historical connection with slavery, "slope" is offensive because of it's historical use. There are genuine reasons why those terms are offensive.
Calling all Mexicans lazy, or all Scots people fat, or all Scousers work shy, or all Irish people thick, or Welsh people sheep botherers, those are (inaccurate) but commonly used stereotypes used for humorous effect, and have been for decades. The INTENT in their use is for fun, not to offend.
Extending my argument and twisting it to say that the N word must therefore also be OK is what someone on here recently termed "exaggerative whataboutery" - an extreme and completely false attempt to twist the debate into something it is not purely to score imaginery points in the forum game.
I'm glad some on here understood the point I was trying to make, I was wondering if I was completely thick or had lost the use of the English language.
Now I'm off to bed, I suspect I'll have a busy day of being taken out of context ahead of me tomorrow. 🙄
Well said More cash, and pity yopu deleted your post Kryton.
(inaccurate) but commonly used stereotypes used for humorous effect, and have been for decades. The INTENT in their use is for fun, not to offend.
Big assumption and utter bollocks yes the irish are thick and scousers lazy is just "banter" and humour 😕 they piss themselves laughing everytime it is sad to them and every single person who does this is having a laugh.
People dont call a race fat lazy or stupid for humour anymore than they say jews are avaricious or blacks stupid for a laugh.
I'm glad some on here understood the point I was trying to make
Unfortunately you failed to make the point you tried to and DrJ was correct about your argument being inconsistent .
TBH its barking and makes no sense at all.It's ok to be racist as long as the racism is inaccurate ??? what sort of racism is accurate? Seriously what racism is accurate - it makes no sense to say this.
Your argument is gibberish and DrJ explained why.
Calling all Mexicans lazy, or all Scots people fat, or all Scousers work shy, or all Irish people thick, or Welsh people sheep botherers, those are (inaccurate) but commonly used stereotypes used for humorous effect, and have been for decades. The INTENT in their use is for fun, not to offend.
I would be offended if you called me a sheep shagger.
Wonder what happend to the cars they left behind?
They were moved into storage in an Argentine customs building.
So were there any racist comments made on this years TG special, or are people just repeating complaints from old editions?
Well, if TG can repeat a load of tedious old shite on a regular basis, I don't see why we can't too.
🙂
Does anyone doubt that Clarkson actually is racist?
I suspect (being an editor) this show has been very carefully put together to not add anything else to Clarkson's naughty boy list.
In keeping with their general sense of humour I would be shocked if there weren't plenty of references to the war on the cutting room floor this time around given the potential back-lash involved.
The number plate seems exactly like the kind of joke they would try to pull off to me. When it dramatically backfired the sympathy edit was put together.
Pure speculation but that's how it reads.
As someone who rarely leaves the shores of Britain, I rely on the Top Gear specials to learn about other countries and cultures...
(They're a bit like the old 1970s 'Holiday' programme, but with V8s and more in-depth cultural insights.)
[url= http://www.reddit.com/r/TopGear/comments/2qp9a9/about_the_argentina_incident/ ]It's even on reddit. Top Gear, not STW.[/url]
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[quote=brant ]It has been stated by BBC/Top Gear team that:-
Plates original
Car not bought for plate.
MRD (RIP) applies
[quote=TheArtistFormerlyKnownAsSTR ]I tell you what - I'd rather end up in a pub having a pint with Hammond, May and Clarkson, than most of the miserable buggers on here
Yep, me too. I'm hoping Hammond and May would have a good laugh at my nuanced humour when I tipped a pint over Jezza's head.
[quote=project ]When you consider all the work that must be put in to create such a large budget programe, and the amount of travel, hotels, and equipment along with vehicles that ned to be bought and transported to a foreign country populated by foreigners, surely somewhere down the line [s]those foreigners[/s] some producer would say [s]we dont like that or we do like that[/s] that's not acceptable and ask /demand changes
Fixed
The Facebook link assumes that the car came from Dudley (using the FK in FKL) The identifier is the KL, which is Maidstone in Kent.
There are currently 5 Porsche dealers around Maidstone and 3 around Dudley (Google maps) How many were there around 1990?
TG production team based in London, next to Kent. Does JC choose his car, or does a researcher do that?
IMHO it's inexcusable to use terms that are known to be offensive
In the late 80s early 90s there was only 1 Porsche dealer in Maidstone. However until a year or so ago there was a DVLA office in Maidstone, so the KL suffix could have been allocated from there to any other nearby dealer.
What I thought was telling is that until the end, there were so many comments about the Falklands, how nice it was there and being diplomatic etc that it was either setting up to a planned finale or a hasty bit of filming after getting wind of the possible trouble to play innocent.
We all know they don't buy the cars, but thought it was a bit blatant that on the mustang key set you could clearly see a tag with RH on it!
And post of the thread is:
Rusty Spanner - Member
Well, if TG can repeat a load of tedious old shite on a regular basis, I don't see why we can't too.
Close second:
deadlydarcy - Member
...I think they might have been a bit pissed off when they found out that one of them wasn't even a real hamster.
Calling all Mexicans lazy, or all Scots people fat, or all Scousers work shy, or all Irish people thick, or Welsh people sheep botherers, those are (inaccurate) but commonly used stereotypes used for humorous effect, and have been for decades. The INTENT in their use is for fun, not to offend.
Aah - the good old "Bernard Manning Defence".
We need more angst and more investigation behind this story..
Off you go!
Not like it's not been done before, but why let that spoil a good riding day eh.. 🙄
and pity yopu deleted your post Kryton.
I can put it back. I stated that Dr J's comment...
I said that if MCTD could defend using a sterotype of Mexicans because it is outdated, then logically he must defend an outdated stereotype of black people and consider it ok to use the "n" word, which he specifically did not. In other words his position, such as it is, is not consistent.
... is entirely wrong. The "N" word is not a stereotypical description of black people, its a word intended to cause offence regardless of who uses it and therefore is not acceptable in any context.
And to add to the rest of the context of this thread; these so called "nuances" were only deemed acceptable when our society was more secular. FWIW I grew up in a small sussex white english only village and was constantly and with ignorance bombard with jokes about other races and no one batted an eyelid. However, society and for the sake of this thread - Top Gear - is now so much in the national and international public eye the audience which is the recipient of such comments is far greater, and the target of the comment more likely to experience it.
I won't excuse Clarkson, he has the will to refuse to speak the comment, but the producers etc are also responsible for the script an subsequent editing, which they must appreciate will be experienced by a large number of potentially offended people. Its Marketing 101 btw, and the fact that this thread exists shows TG has been successful in marketing it own exposure.
As an aside, I didn't understand the "Peugeot in Chile" issue - anyone care to enlighte me?
The "N" word is not a stereotypical description of black people, its a word intended to cause offence regardless of who uses it and therefore is not acceptable in any context.
No reason why it can't be both, is there?
Yes. Its highly offensive to black people, and is not a "descriptor" or "nuance" of a race / culture. Its a word intended to offend and was created for and is continued to be used that purpose only.
Your welcome to come to dinner at ours and try out your theory on my wifes uncles, I wont charge you to use the phone for the resulting 999.
What do you suppose my "theory" is?
I don't doubt for a second that it's highly offensive word - that's not the point. However, it IS a descriptor, describing a skin colour, and I remember my grandfather using it to describe a person as such, without intending insult. It's different in degree from most other racial appellations, but not different in kind.
Dr J are you black? If no please go an have the conversation with someone who is and update us with the result.
Cheers
Conversation about what? As I already said, that word is highly offensive and I wouldn't dream of using it.
Nor would I make a TV show suggesting that all Mexicans are lazy.
I'm wondering what you're actually disagreeing with me about?
The N word is widely used by black people. So the offense IMO is very context specific.
Top Gear is one of the BBC's most successful programmes, its hugely popular here and abroad. I very much doubt Clarkson is on his last official warning, the BBC well know he "is the programme". The BBC own the rights to the format but they know if Clarkson went out on his own he could easily attract the funding to create his own show. All this is PC gone mad. I read today "It Ain't Half Hot Mum" has been banned from re-runs since 2013.
