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Yup the Buccs were quickly withdrawn due to fatigue issues.

You wouldn't be in ground effect even at 50' with something with such short wings and at 600 Knots, however.

The Speys were forced upon the Phantom as a sweetener to offset the fact that we'd just cancelled the TSR2-a tragic decision for the UK aerospace industry. They (Speys) were heavy and underpowered by all accounts.


 
Posted : 29/06/2017 7:14 pm
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Intruder alert...

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Posted : 29/06/2017 9:04 pm
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The Jaguar gate guardian outside Bruntingthorpe is a very fetching shade of metallic green. It looks like a giant Matchbox toy.

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Glad someone has a photo of it, I'm in and out of Bruntingthorpe fairly regularly, but I've not had an opportunity to take a photo of the gate Jag.
I did have a happy hour or so to wait which I put to good used wandering round all the other aircraft last year, taking loads of photos, some of which are here, the Lightnings earlier being an example.
Also pleased to see the Lysander, always been a favourite, along with its spydery German equivalent the Storch.
The mentions of the Buccaneers reminds me of a little cartoon that was in the show guide for the Farnborough show I went to, which had a Buccaneer with a conning tower and periscope mounted on the back...
I wish I could track down the Red Flag footage the BBC showed of the two Buccaneers being filmed with gun cameras, hopping over the tops of sand dunes then disappearing again, only to pop up again even closer, banking so low their wingtips were raising little dust-devils off the sand!
The American crews manning the gun positions were getting hyper excited and abandoning their positions to go outside to watch!
Never seen it since.


 
Posted : 29/06/2017 10:13 pm
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Is this the vid?

Incredible for the authentic account of low flying and incidental 70s prog rock.


 
Posted : 29/06/2017 11:17 pm
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The RR powered Phantoms had better low level performance due to the more powerful Spey's, but the GE powered aircraft were better at high altitude, swings and roundabouts. Part of these deals are about the RAF having independent technical and engineering authority. In time of war you don't want to be relying on other nations for the supply of parts and design capability. The RAF has it's own design capability and airworthiness authority so is able to carry out it's own repairs and modifications on aircraft within its fleet, but airframes are easier than engines so having engines supplied by a domestic supplier is a big strategic advantage.


 
Posted : 30/06/2017 8:24 am
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My old Dad with a Venom? probably Changi in the 1950's.

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Posted : 30/06/2017 9:12 am
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airframes are easier than engines so having engines supplied by a domestic supplier is a big strategic advantage

Didn't quite pan out on the F35 though ๐Ÿ™


 
Posted : 30/06/2017 9:29 am
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@pjm1974 - I remember the video being talked about, the Buccanneers looked like they were prairie dogs popping up at random locations. It's not the one you've linked, it was filmed from a fixed position ground camera presumably mounted on a "gun" as the commentary from the operator was getting increasingly exasperated trying to track the planes.


 
Posted : 30/06/2017 9:34 am
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Get over to YouTube and check out the Aircrew Interview channel, some great stuff, the AirFrance Concorde crash one is an eye opener, much more to it than generally thought. And the Buccaneers at Red Flag is just mental!

Proper brilliant stuff - thanks for that. Need a lot of time to watch them, but they're so understated! Like the Red Flag Buccs not being able to fly as low as they could because the dust trails made them easy to spot, so they had to fly at 20ft. And inverted over ridgelines pulling 4-5g...

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about 42mins in.


 
Posted : 30/06/2017 10:20 am
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Mitsubishi A6M Zero

To extend its range they didn't fit any armoured protection for the engine, the fuel tanks or the pilot.

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I'm building one at the moment that will soon be on the [url= http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/christmas-airfix ]Airfix Thread.[/url]


 
Posted : 30/06/2017 12:26 pm
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Lots of reference to the Buccaneer video, Red Flag and other exploits here including an alleged incident where two Buccaneers hid under a Vulcan to evade detection ๐Ÿ˜ฎ

http://www.pprune.org/archive/index.php/t-48541.html

Seems that the footage you're referencing was originally shown on BBC Nationwide but has subsequently disappeared. Plenty of people have looked for it though.


 
Posted : 30/06/2017 1:45 pm
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One for Northwind and others on the Buccaneer; I remember as a youngster many times watching them working along Loch Ness at low enough level that the wingtip vortices were lifting water from the loch. You gotta be quite a bit under 50 feet for that and quite scary when you're in a small sailing dinghy and it's coming straight at you.... Pilots would run between the two towers of the Abbey School and brush the treetops just beyond, blowing twigs and leaves onto the front pitches.


 
Posted : 30/06/2017 2:17 pm
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Not my pic, but just came across it while looking at something else, RAF Jurby (IOM)

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Posted : 30/06/2017 8:48 pm
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I remember being at RAF Coltishall when I was in the CCF Cadets and Jags doing low-level runs along the runway there. We watched a video about their role in the first Gulf War and one of the pilots reckoned that "low-level" in Iraq meant 30ft. There was apparently quite a game on between the Jags and the rest of the airforce but the Yanks refused to even consider anything that low. ๐Ÿ™‚


 
Posted : 30/06/2017 9:13 pm
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Buccs on the floor;


 
Posted : 30/06/2017 9:18 pm
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Found it, I popped a photo up a while back of US planes of the 50s, but wanted an equivalent for the Brits, this will do for now, though it's not super sharp:

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How many can you name, without cheating?


 
Posted : 30/06/2017 9:20 pm
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This (the Granger Archaeoptryx) was built by two of my granddad's brothers in the early 1930s:

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I really don't know much about it, other than it's currently being restored by one of the sons. I really should find out more...


 
Posted : 30/06/2017 9:42 pm
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midlifecrashes

Best guesses, from front left....

B29, Valliant, Meteor, Anson and an Auster maybe in front? Harvard, Vickers Valletta ( maybe, although looks a bit like a 2 engined precursor to the Britannia...). Canberra, Shackleton, early mark with tailwheel. Down the taxiway in front are Venom/Vampire, F-86 Sabre, Supermarine Swift, (or maybe Scimitar, I think one was straight wing and one swept) and a Javelin in front. Bristol Brigand, Mosquito and maybe a T-33 to finish.

Fantastic pic, thanks for sharing.


 
Posted : 30/06/2017 11:08 pm
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And now I'm trying to work out where it might have been taken...


 
Posted : 30/06/2017 11:14 pm
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Well I didn't credit the photo before so as should have:

[url= http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?105912-RAF-Horsham-St-Faith-Norwich-Airport ]http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?105912-RAF-Horsham-St-Faith-Norwich-Airport[/url]

There are a couple of listings of what's what in the thread, I'll not cut and paste them in case of spoilers for anyone still scratching their heads. I'll just say 1957 is a bit late for a B29.


 
Posted : 01/07/2017 12:23 pm
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KB-29?

The US Air Force had tanker variants of the B-29 based in the UK, circa 1957.


 
Posted : 01/07/2017 12:28 pm
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The one at the front is a Hillman Imp.


 
Posted : 01/07/2017 12:42 pm
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Posted : 01/07/2017 12:52 pm
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That's definitely a B-50 to the left, an aircraft that I didn't even know existed until now! Zooming in you can clearly see the intakes underneath the engine nacelles, and to outboard drop-tanks. Amazing photo, that!


 
Posted : 01/07/2017 8:50 pm
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Lots of reference to the Buccaneer video, Red Flag and other exploits here including an alleged incident where two Buccaneers hid under a Vulcan to evade detection

http://www.pprune.org/archive/index.php/t-48541.html


I've read about the Buccaneers hiding underneath the Vulcan, sound plausible, and just the sort of thing they'd be likely to do just for the shits'n'giggles

@pjm1974 - I remember the video being talked about, the Buccanneers looked like they were prairie dogs popping up at random locations. It's not the one you've linked, it was filmed from a fixed position ground camera presumably mounted on a "gun" as the commentary from the operator was getting increasingly exasperated trying to track the planes.
Seems that the footage you're referencing was originally shown on BBC Nationwide but has subsequently disappeared. Plenty of people have looked for it though.

That's exactly the film I was talking about, BBC Nationwide sounds right, too; I'll bet the Beeb wiped the tape and reused it to save money, like they did with so many classic programmes, Dr Who being just one example.


 
Posted : 01/07/2017 9:20 pm
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Did anyone go to RIAT this weekend?

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