[Closed] Plane crash in the alps

So now we are debating how his parents feel and just how suicidal they are 😯

Can we all have a collective word with ourselves here 🙄

I reckon this misunderstanding was pre meditated

So now we are debating how his parents feel and just how suicidal they are

Can we all have a collective word with ourselves here

Totally agree.

Maybe not intentional, but incredibly insensitive.

Junkyard - lazarus
So now we are debating how his parents feel and just how suicidal they are

Can we all have a collective word with ourselves here

Nobody was debating it and it may not be relevant as far as you're concerned. It was simply a thought that's been going through my head today - but you're right, I'll **** off and have a word with myself.

[quote=paulwf ]They said on the news yesterday that him and the captain had already flown that morning to Spain

Thanks - I assumed it was likely that they wouldn't get their pilots overnighting away from base, but nothing I found seemed to mention that.

In which case I'll make a (probably futile) attempt to nip some of the speculation in the bud. If his intentions were as some people seem to think when he got out of bed that morning, why did he wait until the second flight and not just get on with it? It was mentioned earlier, but everybody seems to be ignoring it - it does seem there was some sort of disagreement with the captain during the flight. Maybe this was what cause him to snap, and decide to end it there and then.

Has anyone mentioned schizophrenia yet? We may never know, however that's the sense I'm getting from this.

It was simply a thought that's been going through my head today - but you're right, I'll **** off and have a word with myself.

Please dont be angry at me [ it was not said to annoy but i can see hwy it has] but please do have a think about it. We dont need trial by social media on here and we certainly dont need it for his parents.

Exits thread wishes aracer luck

Ex girlfriend now stated he told her he was planning his place in history and everyone would remember his name and what he had done. Still need convincing this wasn't murder?!!! 😯

http://mic.com/articles/113896/everyone-s-trying-really-hard-not-to-call-the-germanwings-co-pilot-a-terrorist?fb_action_ids=10153757374109778&fb_action_types=og.shares

Has anyone mentioned schizophrenia yet?

Well you have now if no one else has.

It's an easy explanation - the incompetence of the neuropsychologist who was treating him from depression to diagnose untreated severe schizophrenia.

And of course we all know that sufferers of schizophrenia are either murders or murders in the waiting.

Trying to live with schizophrenia is truly shit enough, something which you are obviously lucky enough not to know, without ignorant people demonizing suffers with ill-thought comments.

[url= http://www.theguardian.com/healthcare-network/2015/mar/27/schizophrenia-portrayed-negatively-the-voices-louis-theroux ]Why is schizophrenia portrayed so negatively on screen?[/url]

[i] BBC documentary reinforce the stereotype that people with schizophrenia are dangerous[/i]

Ex girlfriend now stated he told her he was planning his place in history and everyone would remember his name and what he had done. Still need convincing

Just idle speculation, but hey, sauce for the goose and all that

What should happen: a deep review into mental health issues amongst pilots - is there anything companies can do to reduce stress levels, and how do the authorities ensure people comply with doctors instructions?

What will happen: A knee-jerk reaction introducing a pointless counterproductive set of rules, to pacify the media.

Sadly.

In which case I'll make a (probably futile) attempt to nip some of the speculation in the bud. If his intentions were as some people seem to think when he got out of bed that morning, why did he wait until the second flight and not just get on with it?

I am wondering what element of planning went into this in terms of crash location. But then I remember that he could never have predicted when the captain would go to the loo.

If it's a regular run then there could be an established routine.

The Times is reporting he'd flown over the area before in a glider, but I'm failing to see how that's relevant if, like you say, he was on a regular route. Just more press speculation.

Chubby bloke, you seem to have anger issues. Perhaps a chat with some loved ones is in order? Not sure what's going on in your life but best to talk it over with someone.

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I am wondering what element of planning went into this in terms of crash location. But then I remember that he could never have predicted when the captain would go to the loo.

We'll probably never know what was going on in the first officer's head. It's possible he was psychotic at the time of the crash and thought (for example) the sky was about to turn into rock and only by flying under the sky through the mountains could he save everyone. In that scenario he had no intent to harm anyone. Perhaps the psychosis started at the point his answers became curt. (Apparently depression can morph into conditions that include psychosis.)

My point is perhaps we should be slower to blame this guy. He didn't ask for a mental illness. Although, clearly in more lucid moments he should have told his company he was unfit to fly for whatever reason - being honest about the situation didn't harm his career before.

FWIW I don't believe the story in the Mail about him threatening to do it some time ago - if he'd said that and she thought he meant it she'd have told the airline.

The Mail's headline doesn't reflect the truth though.

Full black box transcript available now. Terrible reading. Actively encouraging the pilot to go to the toilet and leave the cabin and making references like "we will see" when talking about the landing.

Whoever leaked that needs their backside kicking.

Not what I was expecting from the headline, he talks more sense than a lot of you

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-32101305

The glider experience in the area may be relevant. After working for many years in a Lakes MRT, we had a lot of suicides with people coming back to a favourite or regular holiday location to end it all..

How is the motive of the co-pilot not relevant? Not sure many would agree with that point of view. Agreed that the airlines need to ensure full accountability for the well being of their crew, but in this case there would need to be wide-sweeping changes to transparency of medical notes and their availability to the employer. This would have much wider reaching consequences.

How is the motive relevant?

Lessons learnt. Ensuring history is not repeated. What if he left a note stating that his employer had pushed him to the limits, he had told them endlessly for months that he couldn't go on under the pressure and the only way they would pay attention is if he did something drastic like this. Understanding that motive would be extremely beneficial to implement remedial action to ensure nothing like this happens again. How do you put remedial action in place without understanding the direct or root cause of the issue?

Pretty obvious stuff.

Have you forgotten that the guy was possibly severely mentally ill?

Where's the line between terrorist / mass murderer / insane... Because this has pretty much got them all crossed..

May have been mentally ill, but the facts need to be reviewed and understood as to what the direct / root cause of the mass murder was. Being mentally ill is a direct cause but not necessarily the root cause. What he did was carefully calculated and planned so motive plays into it.

What he did was carefully calculated and planned so motive plays into it.

You are either a troll or an idiot, and I'm not sure which.

Without resorting to infantile insults, explain why it was not calculated.

Lack of capacity.

In your opinion.

That day he...

Deliberately tore up his sick note
Actively encouraged the captain to leave the cockpit to go to the toilet
Locked the cabin door and activated the controlled descent into ground
Ignored the CCTV and requests for access to the cabin
Hit the override button for the cabin door keypad
Ignored for over 8 minutes pleading and screaming.

A very calculated series of deliberate actions with only one outcome - the murder of 149 people. This was all berated a few days ago as speculation but has now been shown to be factual from the black-box recording.

Very similar to what Anders Breivik did.

How is the motive relevant?

It is very relevant, to understand how it is that this happened and to do everything you can to ensure it does not happen again.
This does not just extend to the relevant industry experts and health professionals.

But to joe public who fly and entrust there life's to the airlines everyday.
If I am going to use air travel, when a plane crashes I want to know why and know all investigations are transparent no matter what the reason is.

This man was well enough to know he was ill enough to see a doctor and then chose to do what he did.

When Living with mental illness you have a responsibility to your self and others to keep yourself well and when not to seek help.
Which he did, but then chose to ignore medical advice for his own selfish reasons.

LHS - Member

Without resorting to infantile insults, explain why it was not calculated.

LHS - Member

May have been mentally ill,

What he did was carefully calculated and planned

Still not spoken to someone on your anger issues. Consider it. It may help.

I hold this man responsible even if he was stark raving mad and the last thing heard on the voice recorder was wibble before he put that plane into the mountain.
Because at some point he would have realised he was becoming unwell and it was at this point he should of sought professional help and stopped work because of his job and all the responsibilities that go with it.

It is for not doing the right thing then that I hold him responsible.

Mental health is a terrible thing. Your reality can become very different to others.
The guy was very good at wearing a "normal" mask.
Looks like that mask fell off at the worst possible time.
My condolences to the families of the poor innocents who were at the wrong place at the wrong time.
My condolences also go out to his family.
Just a very sad state of affairs to all concerned.

Just read some of the transcript that was leaked. The betrayal of trust the co-pilot demonstrated towards his colleague and those passengers is truly awful. I feel deeply sorry for the captain, he would have known what was happening and what the horrific outcome would be. Very sad. Seems the captain did everything he could in that short period of time to try and regain entry and stop what was happening.

RIP.

There are some indications that there may have been doubt about the co-pilot's eyesight, leading to him losing his job, plus there had been talk from the parent airline that due to competition from the likes of easyjet and other low-cost airlines, there would need to be cost cuttings possibly involving pensions, salary, etc.
These, along with his relationship issues, may have been the final contributing factors that pushed him over the edge.

Prosecutor revealed today that the co-pilot had been treated previously for suicidal tendencies.