[Closed] Place your bets - Pistorius

culpable homicide

I think he'll walk.

Going down like a cheap lady of negotiable affection.

( murder )

gotta go down.....20yrs

To quote a certain forum member from yesterday

Yawn

Murder.

I think he'll walk

Bravo 🙂

Culpable Homicide

This, 15 yrs and out in 10. Also made to do some sort of Cummunity Service with a "Don't do Guns" type of message..

To quote a certain forum member from yesterday

Yawn

Very strange, no gross generalisation in this thread. Obviously bored.

Anyway moving on. I don't see how he can walk away from this, the prosecution will want the pre-meditated murder charge but will find it hard to stick.

Based on the judge's comments so far, culpable homicide

I don't see how he can walk away from this

Oh, come on now!

You'd have hoped that they could have got a judge that could read properly FFS 🙄

Hanging.

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say 'accident'

Judge has dealt the prosecution quite a blow thus far, dismissing their key witnesses.

Homicide, then appealed, then he'll walk..probably.

I think he'll walk. There is doubt even though hes guilty. Nevermind he admitted doing it. Its the story/it just doesn't wash.

Culpable Homicide

Unlawful or negligent killing - sounds about right in this given there's no doubt he did kill her.

From what the judge says so far its not going to be murder (which is what I thought he'd get).

I have to say this must be quite difficult for all concerned as she spends a huge amount of time reading her statement when what people want to hear is the verdict.

Guilty as sin IMHO. Probably why I'm not a judge.

Well, I was wrong about Michael Jackson so it has to be innocent.

cbmotorsport - Member
Guilty as sin IMHO. Probably why I'm not a judge.

No question, if he gets away with it and I was her father, I'd invite him round for a bit of good old SA truth and reconciliation give him a couple of drinks, then when he goes to the bathroom mistake him for an intruder.

Oh and I'm sure he's going to get away light.

I reckon he'll be found innocent, then fed to the sharkticons.

jambalaya - Member

I have to say this must be quite difficult for all concerned as she spends a huge amount of time reading her statement when what people want to hear is the verdict.

It's like reality TV isn't it. They should start by saying "TL;DL- GUILTY!" then do all the bollocks.

Will there be dramatic music and an irritating 30 second pause before she gives the verdict...?

Culpable homicide - judge made the point that he was thinking when aiming lower down rather that upper torso hence intended to discharge the firearm. There will be a degree of neglience so 10 - 15years your honour.

She was coming back to that but its now adjourned.

Expect a legal appeal .. Is this another OJ SImpson case but with less money involved ?

He seems like a nice chap, possibly a bit misunderstood.
I think he will bounce back, maybe get a job in coaching or at a shooting range .

They'll play the Coundown Clock music.

Do-do, do-do, diddly-did, did, bong. 10 years.

Whatever, it will take Scotland off the top of the news for 10 minutes. Perhaps they can rush DLT's trial through to next week.

Haven't been foloowing the case closely but he looks shifty - String 'im up!

From this: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-29143540

Judge Thokozile Masipa said humans were fallible, and may not have heard gunshots or screaming as they thought.

[b]Correspondents say this casts [u]doubt[/u] on a [u]key[/u] prosecution argument.[/b]

I haven't followed the case that closely, but I was suspicious about the police case when they found the blood stained sock tainted with EDTA...

not guilty enough - technicality/poor police work/just below the line for proving guilt beyond reasonable doubt. Next stop the airport

He's not got a leg to stand on, he's going down.

"a plethora of defences"

Ouch.

she disagrees with the submission of reflex action.. !! ouch again!

I was in South Africa on the day it happened. In all the business meetings I had in the days that followed, the universal opinion of South Africans was: "'Royd rage."

The accused was a very poor witness - ouch

I think he will bounce back, maybe get a job in coaching or at a shooting range

He could teach 9 year olds to fire Uzzis.....

He could teach 9 year olds to fire Uzzis.

I'm impressed. Quite good for you that one.

Why do they have to read out the summary of the trial? Shurely you should give your verdict and publish the summary afterward, seems quite cruel to take such a long and drawn out procedure.

Wolves did it...

Its explaining everything, so you can hopefully arrive and think 'yes then the verdict makes sense.

its coming now! argghh a five minute break

Will there be a long pause and some dramatic backing track like on the x factor?

I get "what" it is doing, but it seems agonsingly drawn out. Brief summary, Verdict, full summary published same day. If he is found to be innocent then he's just had to sit through all that dissection of the case somewhat needlessly. If he's found to be guilty then the full summary will allow for the appeal process if one is availble/possible. Justice should be swift, IMO.

its going all the way to lunch time .. i'm famished

7-10 years.

Nobeerinthefridge - Member

7-10 years.

DBL PST

The verdict is he has to be screamed at behind a close door then have 4shots fired at him.

Will there be a long pause and some dramatic backing track like on the x factor?

Lol are you actually reading this thread?? 😉

cbmotorsport - Member
Will there be dramatic music and an irritating 30 second pause before she gives the verdict...?

Sorry just dipped in 😀

No probs, I commend you on your very funny joke... 😉

I'm lost.

no life term / 25 year .. next count

Paddy Power were offering money back, with this rather controversial ad:

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Most complained about ad ever apparently.

I think he will bounce back

He seems symptomatic of the privileged white arrogant 'upper' class. I'll bet it makes him sick that his fate will be decided by a black woman.

looks like he's going to get cleared!

Edit: Definitely not murder anyway - but might be manslaughter, after lunch...

What a time for a lunch break!!!!

Of premeditated murder maybe, he's still gonna go down for manslaughter, possession of a weapon and ammunition.

So from the Guardian live feed it looks like the Judge is saying she agrees he thought Reeva was in the bedroom and had no intention of killing her, he didn't intend to go and kill but he knew that if fired he would undoubtably kill the person behind the door.

It could go either way however I do feel he will get off with self-defence but a 2-4yr sentence for possession suspended.

Its not dolus eventualis but culpable homicide hangs in there ... I'm sure everyone will feel better after lunch.. just keep those buckets at the ready 🙂

I thought she was saying he had no way of knowing if his shots would kill, so culpable homicide likely.

Most complained about ad ever apparently.

Indeed, and for good reason imho, which leads me on to...

...can I be the first sanctimonious tosser to suggest that this very thread is guilty of exactly what got so many people wound up about that advert for - trivialising and having cheap laughs about a trial which, lets not forget, concerns an innocent young woman losing her life in a brutally violent fashion?

and since I'm in "sanctimonious tosser" mode anyway can I also suggest that

I'll bet it makes him sick that his fate will be decided by a black woman.

is a hell of an accusation to make about anyone without any sort of anything to back it up with?

Eeeek! get off? really??

I do now wonder what the populas of SAfrica's large Black community will think..

And more importantly what the smaller White community will think now..

It's an important case this, for so many social reasons. 😕

loddrik - even by your standards, wow! Those chips on your shoulder must be feeling particularly heavy today.

Break for lunch.

I imagine he'll be feeling peckish.

he had no way of knowing if his shots would kill

Eh? Gun shot fired from a gun with bullets and everything? I'd say anyone firing a gun would have a fair idea of the potentially lethal implications (9 year olds with uzis excepted). Judge has been nobbled (by paddy power).

Multiple shots as well. Not a warning shot even- shots fired at close range into a door.

Eh? Gun shot fired from a gun with bullets and everything?

Hollow point bullets to be exact, maximum damage on impact. 4 hollow points fired into a 3ft square space are going to kill whoever's in that space. Daft really.

He intended to kill whoever was behind the door, or at least he didn't care if he did or not when he pulled the trigger.

he had no way of knowing if his shots would kill

Oh really 😯

On the night of Steenkamp's death, Pistorius used Black Talon hollow-point bullets, that Gert Saayman, the forensic medicine department at the University of Pretoria, described in court as "an expanding bullet" designed to cause "maximum tissue damage"

double post..weird.

Lunch break !!!

The state did not prove pre-meditated murder beyond reasonable doubt so he has to be acquitted of that.

The judge says the fact he fired low at the door showed he had thought about what he was doing. This plus she said he was an unreliable witness is very damning IMO

I think he will go down for a long time on one of the "lesser" murder charges.

Multiple shots as well. Not a warning shot even- shots fired at close range into a door.

I suspect that may be seen as reasonable reaction to burglars in your house by the man on the Pietermaritzburg omnibus

clearly innocent anything else would be a travisty.. he leaps up in the dead of night arms himself with a weapon and advances upon the intruder in the bathroom.. nay the toilet cubicle..
clearly fearing for his life at this point from the unknown unseen silent potential assailant hidden behind the closed loo door, he lets loose four shots from less than 3 meters away.. so frightened was he for his own safety that he actually missed the door with one of the shots.. even though he regularly trained at a firing range..imagine the pain he went through to only discover, as he pushed the door open, his girlfriend on the floor using her mobile phone to illuminate the loo as the light bulb was broken..

next you might ask ''if 1400 kids were sexually assualted/groomed in rotherham, and the police and council are apologising resigning, how come not one person has been arrested for commiting the crimes..'' or you could ask ''if cyril smith and his chums were at it large in rochdale with young kids in care and the local mp has made a fortune from sales of his book alledging the same.. why has not one person even been interviewed?''

he leaps up

How might he do this with no legs on?

I'm going for Not guilty for the Death, but they'll send him down on the firearm's offenses. Illegal Bullet's and firing his gun in public.

A bit like Al Capone, they can't send him down for Murder, but they can on a different charge altogether.

How might he do this with no legs on?

cbmotorsport - Member

He intended to kill whoever was behind the door, or at least he didn't care if he did or not when he pulled the trigger.

TBH a gun is for killing people with, it's possible to shoot to wound but even for trained marksmen that's not how it's done. If, arguendo, you accept that he did think there was an intruder in there, he's a disabled man with a gun, shooting to kill (or at least shooting in a way that was likely to kill) becomes a lot more reasonable.

Unless you think you could shoot someone to disable them, through a door?

I don't think I'd have shot someone in that situation. But then I'm not a paranoid disabled celebrity dude in south africa.