Exactly how long does diesel or petrol last? Maybe i should store up a lifetimes supply.
If you did you could be a very rich man in 20 years.
If you did you could be a very rich man in 20 years.
Are you saying the HoratioHufnagal has only got 20 years left? If so, you should have broken it a bit more gently I think.
I think it's about a year (for petrol)? Let me ask my resident petrolhead, moment.
Potentially 10 years with huge faff...
20 years gives enough time to enjoy the riches.
Seems I'm partially misremembering; according to my petrolhead mate it was Optimax I was thinking of, they used additives to boost the octane which deteriorated over time.
However, there's a nice write-up here,
http://www.autocar.co.uk/forums/t/8984.aspx
Basically says that in a sealed container and optimum conditions it'll last for 6-12 months before it starts going off. In suboptimal conditions (like for example, your petrol tank) it'll start going off after a couple of [i]weeks. [/i]Eep.
Diesel isn't wholly dissimilar time-wise as far as I can gather, but rather than losing potency it absorbs water from the atmosphere, then destroys engines. 😯
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Done! NO queueing well trucks were but I went round them! You need to know where to go.... Starions have popped their prices up though. Funny that.
Well i nearly ran out on the way to work because of a load of fuppin muppets. At least i could still laugh as i watched people waiting in a massive line and still insisted on using only the pumps on the same side as their filler cap when i finally found somewhere not sold out! Luckily as i was on my bike i just ignored the line!!!
supposed to be driving to liverpool tonight im relying on londoners being too lazy to panic buy so hopefully my empty tank will get filled!
Petrol grabbing idiot:
Empty can grabbing idiot you mean, surely
That, or worlds stongest man 🙂
Potentially 10 years with huge faff...
So the stuff we have stored at work from about 12 years ago that has nothing done to it is breaking the law of science. It was tested the other week and the guy declared it as perfect, I asked him how long it should last. His answer was pretty much forever as long as no water gets in.
Well, when the stupid effing strikers realise they are running out of food at home, and their familes are going hungry becasue of what they are doing, they'll all toddle back off to work.Striking = Shooting yourself in the foot in every way imaginable.
So you think that fuel tanker drivers who are organised in a trade union and engage in collective bargaining are at a disadvantage ? That all they have managed to do is 'shoot themselves in the foot' ?
Tell me PP, what would be the pay and conditions of fuel tanker drivers if they hadn't been in a trade union and been prepared to take industrial action if necessary ? ...... although this will be the first national strike for 12 years.
Presumably they would be much better off than they are today - if they hadn't been shooting themselves in the foot. Any ideas what that might be ? Care to have a guess what they might be earning today, if the unions hadn't screwed things up for them ?
I have to say that it amazes me how some people on here begrudge ordinary working men and women earning a half decent wage, preferring instead for the money to go to wealthy oil companies - which never cease to make mind-boggling profits even during hard times and recessions.
They denounce workers who want a decent wage as "greedy" whilst throwing their weight behind greedy oil companies who are screwing them !
Unless you are an oil industry executive it makes about as much sense as a chocolate fireguard.
It reminds me of the Wapping dispute. Here one of the world's wealthiest and most powerful men was in dispute with his own workers because he wanted to be even more wealthy and more powerful. Unbelievably, some people who were clearly not billionaires themselves, and probably barely had a pot to piss in, backed Rupert Murdoch claiming that the print workers were "greedy".
I never did figure out why it was perfectly ok for Rupert Murdoch to be greedy despite already having far more money than he knew what to do with. But more importantly, how they thought Rupert Murdoch becoming even wealthier at the expense of ordinary workers like themselves would enhance their own lives. Most bizarre.
[url= http://www.counterfire.org/index.php/articles/opinion/15668-a-fuel-tanker-drivers-story ]A fuel tanker driver's story[/url]
the oil industry effectively prevented any unionisation of workers when the north sea infrastructure was developed by the last lot of torries
im sure the fact that the tanker drivers are so heavily unionised really pisses them off
i wonder if the new tory government has taken any large donnation from the oil industry lately
oh yeahh.........
which never cease to make mind-boggling profits even during hard times and recessions.They denounce workers who want a decent wage as "greedy" whilst throwing their weight behind greedy oil companies who are screwing them !
Hmmm - The government take nearly a pound in tax from every litre of petrol at the pump, to pay for your beloved public services.
Yet you somehow think its the fuel companies who make a profit of about two pence per litre that are screwing us.
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Perhaps we should be told now where Tandem Jeremey is, obviously plaaning the real fuel strike and bringing the country to its knees, and as a starter geting Stanstead bagage handlers to strike over easter.
lol.
Only Zulu-Eleven would come along and claim that oil companies don't make huge profits ! 😀
[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-14321819 ]Shell profits jump 77% on higher oil prices[/url]
Do you understand how percentages work Ernie? 😉
At least i could still laugh as i watched people waiting in a massive line and still insisted on using only the pumps on the same side as their filler cap
I only use the pump on the cap side, otherwise I have to either scratch my paintwork or stand holding a hose above the car for 5 minutes. Both are stupid when there's nothing but a short wait for a pump on the right side.
Well I understand that oil companies make huge profits, and I also understand that Zulu-Eleven will claim black is white and white is black, and make any other ridiculous claim which completely contradicts reality, if he feels he needs to. HTH
I struggle with long sentences, but has anyone mentioned the theory this is a govt idea to avoid a double dip recession?
capt jon,
yes, already agreed and established as fact*
*probably 😉
I wasn't too bothered about the fuel 'crisis' but it's now prevented the ice cream man from making his rounds & ive had no pudding.
Well, the idiots have won. No fuel in either of the garages I passed on my way home tonight.
Filled up last night, because I was in the red and had to get to work the next day. Passed 3 petrol stations with small queues but nothing too crazy, though I heard the local ASDA which has the cheapest petrol was rammed and ran out last night.
To be honest, I'm kind of liking this at the moment, because it's exposing the Tories for being a bunch of ridiculous morons.
Right,i've got my jerry cans full of fuel but don't know where to store it!!
The baths allrady full of the stamps and pasties i'm stock piling 😀
Tell me PP, what would be the pay and conditions of fuel tanker drivers if they hadn't been in a trade union and been prepared to take industrial action if necessary ? ...... although this will be the first national strike for 12 years.
Tell me what you know of ADR and the hours they must work. The tanker drivers are well paid for the hours they work (limited by law) and the job they do.
TooTall - MemberTell me what you know of ADR and the hours they must work. The tanker drivers are well paid for the hours they work (limited by law) and the job they do.
You think PP is wrong and the fuel tanker drivers have done rather well as the result of being in a trade union and being prepared to take industrial action if necessary ? I suspect you might be right.
And if you want to know more about fuel tanker drivers and the reasons for this possible industrial action, then I suggest you watch the video in this link :
[url= http://www.counterfire.org/index.php/articles/opinion/15668-a-fuel-tanker-drivers-story ]A fuel tanker driver's story[/url]
It's delivered in a soothing scottish accent and pleasant background music.
Tootall are you sure? Voxpox on TV last night and a woman was complaining to a Union leader/driver on the news that he 'gets upto 47k a year for driving a vehicle'.
His counter-argument was that he has to drive upto 15hours a day.
If anyone drove for 15hours aday regularly you'd kill yourself nevermind drive a petrol tanker into someone?!!!
His argument did seem abit ❓
Yes tanker drivers earn good money, but,
They aren't allowed to drive for 15 hours, that will be the working day.
They have the shift pattern from hell.
And it's not the money there striking about.
Pension, training and shortening of the daily run times are the main problems.
So you think that fuel tanker drivers who are organised in a trade union and engage in collective bargaining are at a disadvantage ? That all they have managed to do is 'shoot themselves in the foot' ?
Yes. I think they, and anyone else who strikes, is a bloody idiot. A selfish one at that.
That is my opinion. There is nothing you can do to change it.
In my job, nobody strikes. Striking over H&S? Give it a fekking break! I work in the inshore industry that kills more than any other. Last year I had a 20%-ish pay cut. Nowt I could do about it. That's the way it goes for some of us.
You suck it up, or go elsewhere if you don't like it.
Yes, I have done that.
I have to say that it amazes me how some people on here begrudge ordinary working men and women earning a half decent wage
Lorry drivers? Hard working? Phhhhhhhhhhh.
I don't begrudge them anything they own, or anyone else. It's none of my business. But they earn 50+% more than me, apparently, for sitting on their arses all day.
Tell me PP, what would be the pay and conditions of fuel tanker drivers if they hadn't been in a trade union and been prepared to take industrial action if necessary ?
Probably no differnet to what it is now, except they'd have more money in their pockets after not wasting money on union subs. And if they're on strike, they're loosing money (Unauthorised absence) on top of that. Hence the foot shooting.
Its not just the fact they can strike its WHEN they chose to strike. To cause misery to the people that use their product/rely on their service.
That is pathetic.
Another case in point is the 'we must have a bonus just to work as normal during the Olympics'.
. Striking over H&S? Give it a fekking break! I work in the inshore industry that kills more than any other. Last year I had a 20%-ish pay cut. Nowt I could do about it. That's the way it goes for some of us.
Yes there is something you can do about it - join a union and bargain collectivly.
its no coincidence unionised workplaces have the best pay and conditions.
Hora - there is no point in a strike that causes no inconvenience. Please note tho that the drivers have not done anything yet.
Lorry drivers? Hard working? Phhhhhhhhhhh.
Who said anything about "hard working" ? I don't believe that anyone should work hard - just work.
If some people want to work disproportionately harder than other people, then that's up to them - no one should be forced to.
Yes,
Wanting a bonus for doing your job is the same as being made to rush and cut corners when delivering 30 tons of fuel. 😯
Here I go, agreeing with TJ again 😯
There is no strike and there probably won't be one for the best part of a fortnight at the earliest, the whole situation has been manufactured by the government to deflect the media and bring in a handy tax windfall before the end of the financial year.
It amazes me just how many stupid people there are in this country, falling for this.
there is no point in a strike that causes no inconvenience
MAXIMUM inconvenience by any chance? I seem to remember train strikes were always scheduled for hardworking workers holidays.
I have to agree with the OP - Petrol grabbers = IDIOTS
Making a total mess of the traffic through my village. 👿 ( Ashtead, A24 running through it )
Sensibleness seems to be reigning in the Scottish Borders. Our local stations all have signs up saying "£30 max" and no queues. I can't fit £30 in the motorbike if I try.
But yes, not much worse than morons causing the very situation they are trying to selfishly protect themselves from !! Such a Me First Bugger Everyone Else attitude, should be ashamed of themselves.
And every cloud has a silver lining, I can't get to work if things get so bad the buses don't run...
In my job, nobody strikes. Striking over H&S? Give it a fekking break! I work in the inshore industry that kills more than any other.
Quite frankly that's nothing to be proud of. Perhaps if your industry was a little more unionised then you wouldn't kill so many people!
Quite frankly that's nothing to be proud of. Perhaps if your industry was a little more unionised then you wouldn't kill so many people!
Errr right. He works in an industry where they don't sit in a 80's office in Slough you know. 🙄
I'm with PeterPoddy on this one in many ways, I think all industries should be made to be as dangerous as possible for the workers in order to ensure that profits can be maximised.
I'd even go further, I'd get rid of sick pay and holidays as well, ban being able to sue your employer for negligence and, once again, allow provision of your home to be at the discretion of the employer - allowing him to make you and your loved ones homeless if you step out of line, fall ill or maybe just on a whim.
What about being paid in company currency so that you cannot buy freely but have to buy goods at the company owned store at inflated prices.
Aye, just get rid of all those benefits that employers were freely handing out to the working classess.
I reckon it was just a coincidence that unions were developing and exercising their power at the same time.
Are you still in school? Have you heard about a balance and common sense?
Every strike ballot now comes with a 'safety' tag next to 'pay and conditions'.
The safety bit to avoid their members getting a hardtime from tired and stressed tube users who are sick of people holding them as the hostage in a stand off?
Errr right. He works in an industry where they don't sit in a 80's office in Slough you know.
Again someone I can agree with. Mining/steelworks/shipbuilding etc.didn't get significantly safer with unionisation, did they?
hora - Member
Quite frankly that's nothing to be proud of. Perhaps if your industry was a little more unionised then you wouldn't kill so many people!
Errr right. He works in an industry where they don't sit in a 80's office in Slough you know.POSTED 14 MINUTES AGO # REPORT-POST
Offshore oil and gas actually.
Also very glad that I don't work for Total at the moment!
Who said anything about "hard working" ? I don't believe that anyone should work hard - just work.If some people want to work disproportionately harder than other people, then that's up to them - no one should be forced to.
Should those that choose to work harder be remunerated accordingly?
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Are you totally ignorant of most things?
No, I can see both sides of an argument. 8)
Yet you only ever choose to voice one?
Sensibleness seems to be reigning in the Scottish Borders. Our local stations all have signs up saying "£30 max" and no queues. I can't fit £30 in the motorbike if I try.But yes, not much worse than morons causing the very situation they are trying to selfishly protect themselves from !! Such a Me First Bugger Everyone Else attitude, should be ashamed of themselves.
This has accelerated my plan to leave England. I'm truly ashamed to live in a country of such selfish morons, run by cynical, nasty, self-interested twunts.
In my job, nobody strikes. Striking over H&S? Give it a fekking break! I work in the inshore industry that kills more than any other. Last year I had a 20%-ish pay cut. Nowt I could do about it. That's the way it goes for some of us.
You should join a union.
Wanting a bonus for doing your job is the same as being made to rush and cut corners when delivering 30 tons of fuel.
Absolute $h1t, I work in the oil industry and most of my bonus was calculated on safety related perfomance.
OK after a few days of this I'm confused about where all the petrol is going. Surely most muppets (that didn't need to fill up anyway) already have a tank full of petrol now, so who's still sitting in the queues?
I'm down to 1/4 tank so I'd normally just fill-up on my lunch break today ready for the weekend. I figured just in case there were queues still I'd fill up on my way to work, get to Tesco at 6:45am and not only is the forecourt rammed but the queue is going out of the supermarket complex and jamming up the roundabout leading into it, wtf?
OK after a few days of this I'm confused about where all the petrol is going. Surely most muppets (that didn't need to fill up anyway) already have a tank full of petrol now, so who's still sitting in the queues?
The muppets that filled up a few days ago now have 75% in the tank and are now refilling (probably)
No real issues her i guess we realise the worst that could happen is I could not get to work and I would have to go riding instead
I am driving on vapours and praying they strike soon
Mark, the tanker drivers now have to do more drops, in less time. All because some muppet in an office says it's possible, and they can make more profit. I didn't mention bonuses...
In my job, nobody strikes. Striking over H&S? Give it a fekking break! I work in the inshore industry that kills more than any other. Last year I had a 20%-ish pay cut. Nowt I could do about it. That's the way it goes for some of us.
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You're a dream employee- at least you know you'll never get sacked, they'll just keep cutting your pay and conditions.
Well I filled up this morning. No queue. No survivalists filling old milk cartons with diesel. Nothing out of the ordinary, except all the newspaper headlines shouting about FUEL PANIC!
(and yes I needed it: driving 460 miles to Warwick and back at the weekend).
Yes that's a good point, shirley. Once all the Muppets have filled their tanks, are they really going to sit in a queue for three hours just to squeeze in £10 more ? Its a logistical mapping challenge for somebody, lets get the folk fired (ha ha as if) from the Edinburgh Tram Project right on it.
I filled up last night (no queue) and drove for 25miles at circa 50mph to 'save fuel for the weekend'.
I then became very bored and defaulted back to 80 😆
Filled up yesterday, previous person at the pump had filled up 4.57gbp. This was a motorway service station too, not in a town where someone might have wondered up with a fuel can. Most others were putting in 20-30 quid.
GrahamS aren't you in Scotland too?
I'm meant to be going down south for my grandpas 90th birthday on Monday and now I don't know if I'm going to be able to go thanks to the selfish morons in the government and on the streets.
Fuel light came on this am so went to the local station on the way to work. Queues. No worries, I'll swing by the East Lancs roundabout services. Big sign no fuel. OK. I'll go right out of my way to the next nearest. Very vibrant forecourt but managed to fill up. Spoke to the guy there and asked how much fuel they had left. "Oh about half and hour at this rate."
Well done Camercock you shiny-faced chicken shit poltroon. Idiots in panic for no reason and a massive boost to the treasury's coffers so the end of year results don't look quite so bad. ****
Oh and has anyone else noticed the mysterious fuel price hike overnight?
Sounds petty but I've done this before (M62 service station). In the grand scheme of things its a waste of time v pence however principle dictates that when I'm driving to Hudds from Manchester and need just a quick squirt to get me there - a couple of times I've filled at the ridiculous 1.50 @ lt petrol at Birchwood for circa a fiver. Then filled up properly in Hudds for 1.32
grum - MemberGrahamS aren't you in Scotland too?
I'm meant to be going down south for my grandpas 90th birthday on Monday and now I don't know if I'm going to be able to go thanks to the selfish morons in the government and on the streets.
Sounds like you should get some jerry cans and stock up
But isn't hels correct? Let the panic buyers fill their tanks and then just pop round to the local filling station in a couple of days once the new deliveries are in.
Hels may be correct but when the fuel light is on I tend to associate that with a requirement for fuel in the not too distant future.
GrahamS aren't you in Scotland too?
Not these days. Living in Northumberland now. My local petrol station is Heddon-On-The-Wall
(140.9p/l for unleaded. Ouch!)
It amazes me just how many stupid people there are in this country
I'm amazed that anybody is amazed by that.
Once all the Muppets have filled their tanks, are they really going to sit in a queue for three hours just to squeeze in £10 more ?
Some of them will. I mean clearly there are some complete idiots out there, otherwise there wouldn't be the issue there is. I'm just hoping that by this time next week, when I might need some fuel, most of them will have got bored.
I predict the end of the V8 Interceptors...
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Just been on the news some poor woman set herself on fire while transferring petrol between containers in her kitchen 🙁
Been using my bike this week, was away last week so car sat on the drive. I drive in this morning and notice there's less than a quarter of a tank left... what shall I do? WHAT SHALL I DO? ARGH! HELP ME!
It's easy DezB: if you NEED petrol, that is you have less than 1/4 tank and use your car regulary, then you can fill your tank without breaking the unspoken contract within the parameters of which we all rub along together on this planet.
If you don't NEED petrol, that is, your car sits on the drive most of the time unless you need to pop to the out of town shopping mall and is at 3/4 but you decide to fill it JUST IN CASE, as you actually have the time to spare in your day to queue for 3 hours for petrol, then you are a Muppet.
My problem is: I don't do queueing. My head will explode.
Lets start a muppet watch. See if we can identify the areas of massed muppetry.
In Glasgow, no significant queueing at petrol stations that I've noticed and my office sits across the road from a Shell.
PeterPoddy may not express it in a very sensible way but he has got a point.
Unionisation is obviously a good thing for workers rights. They keep a check on the excesses of unrestricted capitalism (which is a good thing) and the threat of strike is obviously their ultimate bargaining chip.
But I think where this becomes dangerous, if left to flourish unchecked, is when it relates to essential services. A strike here is not only holding the employer to ransom but the general public as well.
So when we get a bit pissed off at the tanker drivers (or the teachers, train drivers, fire brigade etc) its not because we favour BP and Shell getting richer but because we are angry that we have been sucked into the unions games and have become collateral damage.
This anger will be magnified when we see what the union is asking for is out of whack with what is happening to everyone else. It makes it look like they are using their strong bargaining power of a strike threat (only available to them due to their position of providing essential services) to get over the odds, more than the worker in another sector can get when they don't have the general public by the balls.
Unite, Bob Crow and all their other despicable cronies would do well to recogise this.
Massed muppetry? Bradford West yesterday!
This anger will be magnified when we see what the union is asking for is out of whack with what is happening to everyone else. It makes it look like they are using their strong bargaining power of a strike threat (only available to them due to their position of providing essential services) to get over the odds, more than the worker in another sector can get when they don't have the general public by the balls
Big companies use their strong bargaining power to make profits that are 'out of whack with what is happening to everyone else' all the time, and no-one bats an eyelid.
DezB: do you have any unemployed teenagers locally you would trust with your car ? Send them to queue, for an hourly rate. Get them to wash it too.
In fact if they had any sense local entrepreneurs would going up and down the queue offering to wash cars. Not to mention the local hookers and drug dealers. So I won't.
Loving this on the metro news website .. ahem.
Number of filling stations affected by panic buying….. 8,000+
Rise in sales of jerry cans at Halfords…………………… 500%
Rise in sales of petrol since fuel farce began………….. 81%
Extra fuel duty collected on Wednesday alone………… £32m
Number of fuel delivery strikes announced…………….. 0