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Hello wonderful hive of knowledge!
My partner has just found out that he got caught speeding a couple of weeks ago by a speed camera. He was driving at 63mph on a dual carriageway with a 50mph limit, in the northeast of Scotland. First offence for him. So, some questions:
1- What kind of fines/points can he expect? What about court appearances?
2- Is he likely to have the option of a speed awareness course (we've both looked at the thread on it)?
3- His licence is currently registered at our previous address as we moved house in the last week. Should he change this with the DVLA before or after he goes to the cop shop?
Please help, he's stressed out about it and I wanna watch the telly! 😆
3 points dont know if the fine will be 60 quid or more .I think he was going to fast to get offered speed awareness training.He shouldnt need to go to court for that.
License needs to be changed to your new address as soon as you move really (even though I didnt and left it about a month)
1. 3points and £60, not unless he contests it
2. Dunno depends if that particular police force operate the scheme, if so then probably
3. Upto you I imagine but will need to surrender licence to the police to have points scribbled on it so probably easier to do it afterwards (assuming you have literally only just moved of its been a while that could be another offence)
I don't think you get the option of a Speed Awareness Course in Scotland.
Get him to send his licence off tomorrow morning for change of address and it should be back in time to send off with the police form. He'll probably get 3 points. I think he was going too fast to be offered the speed awareness course.
AFAIK no speed awareness classes in Scotland. Send it to the police station then when you get it back straight to DVLA for new address.
Ah, my speed awareness thread....
As well as all the other stuff, make sure you sort a mail forwarding service from old to new place.
Good luck!
If his passport is less than 5 years old he should be able to do the change of address online.
I just did my new photo ID card that way - filled it in online on Tuesday, got it back today, complete with the picture they held on file from my passport!
Flamed to buggery ? 🙂What's he gonna get ?
Just tell them he's lost his licence (while moving?), and currently applying to the DVLA for a new one.
Thanks for your responses everyone. he's actually decided to be upfront with the police and tell them he hasn't changed the address and will ask if he should do this before getting the endorsements put on. He figures that the penalty notice thing was actually posted out before we moved so it may not be an issue. Thanks for the information - we were just pretty clueless on the whole topic so at least we're better informed now!
Flame me but....
Was it daylight/good conditions, not a dangerous overtake before a rise/dip etc at a quiet time?
The Police should show leniency. FFS on our local 40 dual carriageway everyone does c60.
I got done for 64 in a 50, it was at 06:00 on an empty and little used D/C one morning between Christmas and New Year. They had put a film in a speed camera that hadn't been active for years and re-painted the calibration marks on the road.....
I was offered a speed awareness course, which I took so as to keep my licence clean. It was crap, I did not experience a life-changing decision, I still go faster than the limit when conditions allow (eg, in the middle of the night on an empty motorway going over Shap). At other times such as when driving along residential streets I go slower than the limit and annoy the hell out of drivers behind me.
I know of 2 people who have done speed awareness course after being done in strathclyde, but had to go to Carlisle for the course, all depends if it applies under Grampian police. But I think 63 would be too fast to qualify.
hora - Member
Flame me but....Was it daylight/good conditions, not a dangerous overtake before a rise/dip etc at a quiet time?
The Police should show leniency. FFS on our local 40 dual carriageway everyone does c60.
Not going to flame you mate (as it seems to be everybody's favourite pastime on here) but as it was once explained to me by some solicitor friends, it is the speed limit therefore the maximum speed permissible, and shouldn't be exceeded, or to put it another way if you said to me the limit for me sleeping with your wife was zero, would it be okay if I was just over that?
Ron Jeremy, I doubt you'd get out of your saddle to lay down with her.
thats the problem with people on the road,they all think they know best, so speed limits are just that, limits, go over them but accept the consequences, sorry but have no sympathy for speeding drivers-- too many dead people can't talk......
I've seen appalling driving within the speed limit on many many occasions. You only notice speeding when someone is out of their depth and/or driving to close to you.
So if 'speed' is bad, how can you overtake in a NSL?
News flash! Driving fast kills people and dolphins.
bad driving is not restricted to speed, that's another thread, if someone is doing the NSL -- you don't overtake. i know you can, but you should not- judging speed is notoriously hard, its why you get so many head on crashes on seemingly straight roads.
Every close miss that I've had on a bike had nothing to do with the driver driving fast, just inconsiderate/poor skills/rude.
Assuming speed is the main contributory factor in the majority of accidents/subsequent deaths - which it isn't.
Speed limits are arbitrary figures in place since the 60's. If you obey every single law because it's there regardless of whether is makes sense then you're dafter than those who do speed when it's inappropriate.
HTH
Points on your license = £££ on your car insurance, so if offered a driver awareness course do it.
hora - Member
Ron Jeremy, I doubt you'd get out of your saddle to lay down with her.
You ain't see me move mate,
To the OP I once got caught at 86 on the motorway (70) and was sent on the speed awareness course, where I learnt the dangers of speeding outside of schools and also what bad coffee tastes like
dangers of speeding outside of schools
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Why use this analogy? My references to making good progress have nothing to do with reckless driving.
If you want a shock, read 10 pence shorts prison diary on Pistonheads.
Every close miss that I've had on a bike had nothing to do with the driver driving fast, just inconsiderate/poor skills/rude.
If someone's going to drive like a dick I'd rather they were doing it while going more slowly, 'cos of kinetic energy and all that.
speed limits are there for good reason imo,what is the big hurry-- not enough time in your busy lives ?-- all them people dashing to get home to watch tele, sorry but there is this culture of me, where only me matters, anything that slows me down is bad.
I love all the speed is irrelevant gags, sure, its the same argument the gun lobby use-- its not the gun, its the people using them !
If you are knocked off your bike onto tarmac at 30 in a 30 its going to be bad even if they are going the same direction as you.
Poppydiamond, this blokes not for you, he's obviously some right wing clarksonite, get rid while you can!
If someone's going to drive like a dick I'd rather they were doing it while going more slowly, 'cos of kinetic energy and all that.
Agreed, but as has already been said, driving quickly but *NOT* like a dick is safer than driving more slowly and like a dick.
For example, 120mph on the M1 at 3am on Christmas Day is likely to be safer than driving at 45mph outside a school at 8.45am on a school day....
OP
Not sure if there are lcoal variations in Scotland, but....
1)In England 0 - 10 over the limit is discretionary, i.e. bollocking/fixed penalty ticket. 10-20 is mandatory Fixed penalty or can be referred to magistrates if appropriate, at which point its potantially serious, 20+ mandatory referral to magistrates. Depends how he got nicked to some extent. I presume it wasn't by an officer of the law as you would already know, so generally the automated systems are just that and will probably issue a FP notice.
2) Pretty sure this only applies to over 10 cases, in which case its a possiblity.
3) Just tell them the truth.
NE Scotland? 60 in a 50? Wasn't the Laurencekirk junction on the A90 was it?
If so, i was caught doing 61 and won 3 points and the opportunity to fund Grampian Police's Christmas party to the tune of £60. No court appearances required.
thats the problem with people on the road,they all think they know best, speed limits are just that, limits, go over them but accept the consequences, sorry but have no sympathy for speeding driver
I used to agree with this until the mind numbing stupid speed limit reduction programs many councils and the highways agency have embarked on. The A56 past Rawtenstall is a prime example, reduced from 70 to 50 on a straight downhill section, traffic staying on the dual carriageway to go to the M65 has to come off onto a slip road (mental setup), you try slowing down to 50 on that hill without having vehicles flashing lights, horns going or just getting up your bumper. It gets worse as you go past the slip road itself, if you're doing 50 in the outside lane (which is the right place to be with most of the traffic exiting left from the nearside lane) you suddenly find yourself on an open road with people doing 70 up your inside or locking up behind you because they've misjudged your speed. Should the other drivers be speeding, no, do they, yes, pretty much everyone. Obey the speed limit and it puts you in a very dangerous position, I know, I've tried. The Highways Agency irresponsibly dropped the speed limit without doing anything to tackle driver behaviour, a couple of signs is far from adequate. Drivers should obey the limits, the authorities not taking into account the fact they don't through road design etc. is grossly irresponsible and is reducing the likelihood of drivers respecting them where they are appropriate.
too many dead people can't talk......
sadly, too many living ones do
NE Scotland? 60 in a 50? Wasn't the Laurencekirk junction on the A90 was it?
If so, i was caught doing 61 and won 3 points and the opportunity to fund Grampian Police's Christmas party to the tune of £60. No court appearances required.
Yup, same here. 63 at that bit. £60 and 3pts.
In this situation, one should NOT (repeat *NOT*) throw away the NIP (if it has arrived), move house, *then* re-register the license, maybe a week or two late on account of all the hassle of re-settling. If they were to do so, they might get away with it, which would be WRONG. Or they might just get the fine anyway but slightly late, but it's not worth running the risk of getting away with it - which would be WRONG.
Speed doesn't kill. Its the idiot driver. Lane discipline, undertaking, lack of mirrors, beleiving that turning your indicator on gives you the divine right to change lanes, aggression, impatience and the worse evil of them all.....hesitation are the bigger kilers IMO.
That speed falls within COPFS (Crown Office and Procurator Fiscal Service) guidelines for an Endorsable Conditional Offer of Fixed Penalty of £60 and 3 points. Provided the driver doesn't already have 9 points and would face disqualification under totting up, the PF just lets the police deal with it.
The Registered Keeper of the vehicle can expect a Section 172 requirement from the police camera unit within 14 days of the offence, to which they are legally obliged to respond and name the driver at the relevant time. If he has already received this and he is the owner and driver, he can complete and return the Section 172, opting to either accept the Conditional Offer or plead not guilty. A court date would only be set if he chooses to contest the matter, otherwise it is all done via post.
Unsure if Grampian offer a speed awareness course. They may have info on the force website.
Presumably the vehicle is registered to your new address if the Section 172 arrived? If his driving licence is still registered at your previous address, he will need to alert the camera unit of your move or they will just post the Conditional Offer to the licence holder's address as per DVLA / PNC records. Would suggest a covering letter as you only moved house last week.
Do update DVLA without delay regarding the driving licence and explain in the covering letter to the police that the licence is being updated.
When corresponding with the police and DVLA, always respond within their timescales and use registered post. If phoning, record the time, date, person spoken to and purpose of call, including what was agreed.
To add to our happiness there is a proposed reduction of the speed limit on many Scottish roads.
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Speed is a contributory factor to many accidents. However, it is just that: contributory. Chances are driving like a fekwit or not paying attention are the main cause of any accident, both of which may involve the inappropriate use of speed.
Every close miss that I've had on a bike had nothing to do with the driver driving fast, just inconsiderate/poor skills/rude.
You should stop being so inconsiderate, poorly skilled and rude, then.