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Peter Oborne on Twitter saw it as 'Johnson's Black Wednesday and no turning back'. Interesting.
Why do some people have an obsession with Corbyn?
Because someone told them to.
Edited to add What was Jeremy Corbyn’s excuse for not turning up ?
Given how much he’s been paid over the years for his rent-a-gob performances on Russia Today and Iranian state TV, he was probably thinking of pots and kettles
😀 Delicious.
So; Corbyn voted against. Are we allowed to mention that Margaret Beckett, Ed Milliband and KIER STARMER didn't vote/abstained? Or does that not fit the narrative?
Hmm, there's an echo in here, I pointed that out an hour ago!
Also, Starmer wasn't in because he was Covid isolating, that's why he didn't vote. Not unreasonably.
Right. How very convenient. Hasn't he been isolating for the last 18 months or so? 😀
Funny how none of those questioning Corbyn's vote did the same regarding Starmer. Almost as if they're blinded by their zealotry...
and KIER STARMER didn’t vote/abstained? Or does that not fit the narrative?
Are you trying to make yourself look daft?
Anyway
Paterson, Leadsome, Mogg, Kwarteng as well as Johnson have all covered themselves in shit on this
I'd like to think it will open up peoples eyes to just how corrupt the present tory party is, but I won't hold my breath
Paterson has now stepped down as an MP
Well he has resigned now.
I am guessing he will be rewarded in a few months for going and avoiding that awkward follow up vote.
Glorious 🤣
Now he can earn some real money without all those pesky rules getting in the way.
Far more likely she’s simplifying or using shorthand to get something a bit more involved and technical across to us. Or even more likely, given nobody has linked to it, she actually said something completely different.
Yeah, well we can't have you admitting you got it wrong, now can we.
I don't really understand why he isn't facing prosecution.
By-election will be interesting (though it's a very safe Tory seat).
Twitter - Owen Paterson to resign
Apparently, the cruel world of politics is too much?
Yeah, that £300k per year is tough, especially when your peers manage to get by on £85k.
What a coward. Can't even face up to his misdemeanours.
Stepping down avoids another vote in Parliament, shame.
I’d like to think it will open up peoples eyes to just how corrupt the present tory party is, but I won’t hold my breath
Great this is the right and on the left we have useless and ineffectual, we are doomed 🙂
I am not one of those people who thinks all politicians are useless or corrupt far from it. I do really think some do want what's best for the people. I also think these exist on both sides. However the current flavour of politics makes it almost impossible for them to actually make any difference.
By-election will be interesting (though it’s a very safe Tory seat).
Tory landslide then
Just how inept does a government with an 80 seat majority need to be to get in such a mess over this!?
Just how inept does a government with an 80 seat majority need to be to get in such a mess over this!?
Ridiculously
Just how inept does a government with an 80 seat majority need to be to get in such a mess over this!?
I think the majority was the problem here. If it had been tighter those torys who thought it was nuts might have been listened to. As it was though they charged ahead knowing they would win the vote but failing to think about what would happen next.
Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely
I love the quote "a life outside of the cruel world of politics".
A cruel world where you can earn £100k for a few days work.
I love the quote “a life outside of the cruel world of politics”.
A cruel world where you can earn £100k for a few days work.
Exactly imaging living that life. The horror! I did laugh when I read it. I would say hes in for a shock but im sure one of his mates will give him some easy board role where he just turns up "networks" then goes home and gets paid a fortune. Still one less tory can only be a good thing.
Rarely when I get home from a bike ride am I greeted by such good news. Not only has the cheat resigned but slimey git Mees-Rogg has had to announce a U-Turn. I think I'll have a brandy.
Just how inept does a government with an 80 seat majority need to be to get in such a mess over this!?
I think it's because they have such a great majority they feel invulnerable and just totally overstep the mark without realising the backlash.
It's like a third rate soap opera, almost unbelievable.
Exactly imaging living that life.
Yep, utterly barking mad, how he can paint himself as a victim for getting caught with his hand in the till.
His statement is bizarre. Sad about his wife but he's shamelessly using her memory to deflect from his offences. No dignity whatsoever.
Well that worked out quite well then im guessing a like for like replacement tho
did anyone else have the misfortune to hear the interview with kwarteng on R4 this am? good job it was radio as he could NOT have ben keeping a straight face... "we are 100% committed to probity and honesty in public life" also all fingers crossed Not trustworthy one among them .
“we are 100% committed to probity and honesty in public life"
But only for opposition MPs....
Interesting to see if libdems and Labour will work together to just put one candidate forward.
Ha ha ha. WTF am I thinking. Lols. As if Labour would ever do anything that takes them closer to being s credible opposition.
I’ve actually a grudging admiration for the sheer front of him. Trousering half a million quid in dodgy backhanders, then playing the victim when you get caught
As if Labour would ever do anything that takes them closer to being s credible opposition.
Quite!
Winning elections is something dispicable that only the Tories would do....
I’ve actually a grudging admiration for the sheer front of him. Trousering half a million quid in dodgy backhanders, then playing the victim when you get caught
Have you thought about standing as a Tory MP?
Interesting to see if libdems and Labour will work together to just put one candidate forward.
Ha ha ha. WTF am I thinking. Lols. As if Labour would ever do anything that takes them closer to being s credible opposition.
labour were second place so why would they ? even if they did the tories would still get twice as many votes
labour were second place so why would they ? even if they did the tories would still get twice as many votes
Exactly. An honourable second place is far better (comrade)
🙄
They need to do a Martin Bell type thing
They need to do a Martin Bell type thing
it needs a Farage to split the brexit vote
pre brexit Conservative Owen Paterson 27,041 51.5 ±0.0
post brexit Conservative Owen Paterson 35,444 62.7 +2.2
a single "anti" might have been viable in 2015
Conservative Owen Paterson 27,041 51.5 ±0.0
Labour Graeme Currie 10,457 19.9 +1.8
UKIP Andrea Allen[12] 9,262 17.6 +12.9
Liberal Democrats Tom Thornhill 3,184 6.0 -14.9
Green Duncan Kerr 2,575 4.9 -3.
I think it’s because they have such a great majority they feel invulnerable and just totally overstep the mark without realising the backlash.
I'm sure you're right, but I just don't understand how they didn't see this coming.
How long before he oozes his way into the Lords?
I wonder if that's what Johnson promised him or if Paterson just slowly realised that Johnson was using him to engineer a takedown of the standards commissioner?
I suppose we'll learn from the way his mates in the rw press start opining
His statement is bizarre. Sad about his wife but he’s shamelessly using her memory to deflect from his offences. No dignity whatsoever.
Like Cameron. Whenever anyone challenged him on welfare he dredged up the memory of his disabled son and used him as a human shield, while he accused the people trying to scrutinise his policies of a lack of dignity and humility. The ****ing ****.
I’m sure you’re right, but I just don’t understand how they didn’t see this coming.
Tbf I don't think anyone guessed as many MPs abstained as actually did, they didn't have the courage to actually vote against it, so will still be tarred.
I think it's just hubris, the government have gor so used to getting away with corruption that they just don't think it's an issue
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I’m sure you’re right, but I just don’t understand how they didn’t see this coming.
Blinded by their own amazingness
They voted for sewage and sleaze. What a slippery lot!
They voted for sewage and sleaze
I believe they prefer the terms natural toilets and natural justice.
how you would notice in the shit hole that is Wellingborough, and why they repeatedly return Peter Bone as an Mp is beyond me. Run down town with a run down Mp.
What IS Paterson worth as an ex-MP though? I'd wager a LOT less than £100k. After all the whole point of these non-execs and consultancy gigs is that they give some kind of access - which has now gone - big time.
lols
After all the whole point of these non-execs and consultancy gigs is that they give some kind of access – which has now gone – big time.
I dunno. He still has lots of mates in the tories so can still lobby for them. He will need rewarding for throwing himself on his sword as well and saving Johnson from the embarrassing vote next week.
Plus if a company drops someone as soon as they become useless then other people will be less likely to sign up to shill for them or at least charge far more to begin with.
So I suspect he will still be getting paid to shill. At least he doesnt get our cash at the same time.
That vandalism is sad and unnecessary. If they’d had the courage to hold a banner there as part of a protest, then I’d shake their hand… but what’s the point of attacking the office? It’s an empty and cowardly gesture.
What IS Paterson worth as an ex-MP though?
Isn’t most money for access an ex-mp thing? Being put on boards or paid as consultants, either as thank yous or for ongoing connections to people still in Parliament (or preferably in government).
He's quit (or taken a shove from within).
That vandalism is sad and unnecessary. If they’d had the courage to hold a banner there as part of a protest, then I’d shake their hand… but what’s the point of attacking the office? It’s an empty and cowardly gesture.
His staff probably did it so they can play the victim card, just as Patterson has in his resignation.
https://twitter.com/dominic2306/status/1456192905580843009?s=21
If Paterson has quit after Johnson asking him, I suspect that the favour owing will make him pretty valuable in terms of access as an ex-MP.
His staff probably did it so they can play the victim card, just as Patterson has in his resignation.
Episode 1 or 2 of the first series of the US House of Cards, Douglas Stamper throws a brick through Underwoods window IIRC.
Not that I'm not glad they have been humiliated into a U turn or that the festering pocket lining turd of a MP that is Patterson has had a new hole very publicly torn (who would have noticed his suspension outside of the political bubble if it had just gone through - he'll now end his days being known for just one thing) but.......
Can you have a government parliamentary vote passed and then less than 24 hours later basically say "Sorrry, we didn't think it through. As you were - forget I ever said that"? Don't you have to do the thing that you got parliament to vote on if it gets a majority and is passed? Or was the vote just for shits and giggles?
Isn’t most money for access an ex-mp thing? Being put on boards or paid as consultants, either as thank yous or for ongoing connections to people still in Parliament (or preferably in government).
Possibly senior ones eg ex cabinet members etc, but for averge back benchers, I can't see they have any value out of office.
Wonder if he'll give the £100k back lol
for averge back benchers
You mean the strident eurosceptics who the PM owes for forcing out May and helping him become leader?
The government of the day pretty much gets to decide on what parliament's business is going to be, so if they want to, they can ignore the vote they had yesterday and now that Patterson has resigned, rubber stamp to committee on standards report that found him guilty of taking bribes.
As Cummings points out this is all a devise to try to get Katheryn Stone to resign so that Johnson doesn't have to answer difficult questions about his own corruption. He'll have to think of a different way to get rid of her now I suppose
Or was the vote just for shits and giggles?
Yes it was just advisory!
From what they were saying on the radio on my way home, and as I asked the same question earlier, they've not u-turned on the question of reviewing process, just letting Paterson off.
Tory **** was blaming Labour for conflating the two issues! They are totally without morals.
At last… a Monty Python clip… and a cold stone classic!
blaming Labour for conflating the two issues!
Where they challenged, or was that lie allowed to enter the ears of viewers as if it was truth… because… balance.
Where the challenged
Sadly not that point, because there was so much other bullshit to call out there just wasn't the chance to get that one in. 😒
I don’t really understand why he isn’t facing prosecution.
By-election will be interesting (though it’s a very safe Tory seat).
If there's a local centre-right leaning person ideally with either local profile or national "celebrity" status that wants to get into politics as an independent this would be the ideal opportunity. I think the right "anti-sleeze" candidate standing there could take the seat even with that majority - Martin Bell style. I think there's more chance of the other parties stepping aside for an independent than them creating a pact.
That vandalism is sad and unnecessary.
Vandalism? I thought that was the Tories new slogan and central office we’re getting it painted on all the constituency offices.
Randox probably thinking they couldn’t buy this sort of publicity…oh no wait…
Once again Johnson has torched a lot of political capital on someone who ended up resigning anyway
Hardly surprising given his own casual attitude to corruption
That vandalism is sad and unnecessary.
It's really not. Considering what the tories have done to millions of people in the last 11 years I'm surprised there are any constituency offices or conservative clubs left standing. Had they all been burnt down by an angry mob then you can bet Johnson, Rees Mogg and the rest of the pig-f*****s wouldn't be so brazenly self-serving and indifferent. It'll never happen though, which is a shame. I guess people in this country have bought into the myth that they deserve to be shat upon by their supposed superiors.
So he's resigned now, but with the most pompous statement possible for someone found to be corrupt.
And now apparently he doesn't want his wife's suicide to be used as a political football, even though it was fine for him to blame her death on the enquiry. What an absolutely shameful omnishambles the whole thing is.
I think saying natural justice too many times has come back to haunt him.
Corrupt
Useless
Numpty
Twunts
I hope this ****er keeps burning until he crashes into whatever he ends up crashing into.
I hope that dozy blond ****er also burns.
One glimmer of hope is my local Tory MP abstained because he objected to the way the Gov had gone about trying to reform the process. He qualified his abstention that he thinks it needs some reformation and he trotted out the line about the current process being unfit because of the two years it took to sort this out (yeah yeah dude turns out that was all Patterson's doing), but at the end of the day he had the bollock to abstain (voting no would have taken both bollocks).
Just to say I laughed and laughed and laughed when I saw he'd resigned this afternoon. And then laughed some more. Who says politics can't be fun.
It’s really not. Considering what the tories have done to millions of people in the last 11 years I’m surprised there are any constituency offices or conservative clubs left standing. Had they all been burnt down by an angry mob then you can bet Johnson, Rees Mogg and the rest of the pig-f*****s wouldn’t be so brazenly self-serving and indifferent. It’ll never happen though, which is a shame. I guess people in this country have bought into the myth that they deserve to be shat upon by their supposed superiors.
Or people don't believe in violent mob rule,
I notice you haven't tried to burn down any MP's offices, have you bought into the "myth"?
When Paterson's wife committed suicude there was no suggestion that allegations against him were a possible contributory factor.
Coroner stated at the inquest she had a history of anxiety and depression.
How convenient for and sleazy of Paterson to claim that the enquiry was a factor in his wife's suicide.
Tory opportunism at it's finest.
Patterson resigns Scott free with a juicy pension and plenty of grubby directorships to look forward to
Its starting to feel a lot like Russia
https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1456343571989254145?t=rkkIfHSnJFtWUpaT6jM8Ow&s=19
How convenient for and sleazy of Paterson to claim that the enquiry was a factor in his wife’s suicide.
Tory opportunism at it’s finest.
And the enquiry was delayed, at his request, because of his loss. And then the Leader of The House made the claim that the enquiry taking too long was grounds for ignoring it and reforming the process. A genuinely nasty insincere evil disingenuous well educated shit.
Read that FT piece tonight, before the paywall is turned back on. FT is free to read today.
@big and daft...
I don't think dazh was advocating mob rule? Rather he was expressing surprise that it hadn't happened.
Yet again you seem to prefer to troll rather than discuss. Which is a pity as you have made multiple good points previously, in other threads.
I wonder what could be achieved with positivity rather than negativity?