With a bit of thought this could have been a different outcome, from the numbers, 42 Labour and SNP MP's were absent, if you had got 60% of them in for the vote it would have been the other way, then again there were over 100 tory MPs who avoided the vote as well, but probably more for image than actual belief!
davros
Full MemberJust to add, the actual punishment of suspension for 30 days seems like getting off lightly.
Yep, that makes it extra galling I think- the fact that they're doing all this to dodge such trivial consequences.
Remind anyone else of when Michael Gove accidentally broke covid rules- that hadn't yet been introduced- and so they changed covid policy for the entire country just so that Gove wouldn't be very mildly embarassed?
I can’t really think of a job where you wouldn’t be in serious shite for a proven case of corruption, other than an MP, where you get to be judge and jury on yourself
there to end of the medical profession is pretty close. Consultants with side jobs doing ‘research’ with suppliers for products they then use. The gmc is doctors regulating doctors hence why no one ever gets punished
How about a boycott of the firms who payed his fees? They must have known it was wrong and I would think they could be considered equally guilty under bribery and corruption legislation.
I am sure Led By Donkey's could do a better shaming campaign than me.
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How about a boycott of the clients?
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Not sure there is anyway of avoiding
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there to end of the medical profession is pretty close.
Most regulating professional bodies are the same
I think the outcry will have an impact, Boris won't like the optics and will change direction.
Ambitious journalists will be looking very hard for other MPs crossing the line
I'm self aware enough to realise that the life I lead and friends I choose means I live in a 'left' leaning world.
I'm completely open to hearing from someone who votes Conservative. What do you make of this issue?
I'm not judging, I'm genuinely interested how this plays out to Tory voters.
Ambitious journalists will be looking very hard for other MPs crossing the line
VIP queue for MPs to get their “contacts” pandemic related contracts ahead of more qualified, proven, cheaper alternatives. The line has been moved. MPs no longer have to worry about crossing it. What was corruption is now just how things are done.
With a bit of thought this could have been a different outcome, from the numbers, 42 Labour and SNP MP’s were absent, if you had got 60% of them in for the vote it would have been the other way, then again there were over 100 tory MPs who avoided the vote as well, but probably more for image than actual belief!
I believe a lot of the opposition MPs who missed the vote were isolating, at COP26 or away for pre planned reasons which meant that they were paired with a government MP who also could not vote. The number of Toraidh MPs who missed the vote is exaggerated by this and even with everyone voting it would not have been defeated.
But this is a travesty of democracy.
they just view us all with such utter contempt that they just don’t care.
Agreed. But then we ( the electorate as a whole) deserve to be viewed with utter contempt. That's the sad reality of the situation.
But then we ( the electorate as a whole) deserve to be viewed with utter contempt.
I'm not sure I do, as a member of the electorate.
Nice to see the daily mail lite isn't impressed
Politician in being a c**t scandal !! Who’d have thought 🙄
This is the Chair of the Standards Committee speaking to parliament explaining their decisions.
Nice to see the daily mail lite isn’t impressed
Boris isn't daft, if even the Daily Mail is upset about this and using the "s" word then I would expect a change in direction.
Based on the Guardian he hasn't got much of a defence, the suicide of his wife is a tragedy but wouldn't get anyone off in front of a judge. If we are to have standards in public life they need to be high ones, I'm more surprised he only got a 30 day suspension.
This is a Tory MP attacking Chair of the Standards Committee for speaking to parliament explaining their decisions.
🙄
https://twitter.com/lucyallan/status/1456020527445946368?s=20
we are to have standards in public life they need to be high ones, I’m more surprised he only got a 30 day suspension.
You can bet that the 'reformed' committe will hand out a 9 day suspension that won't trigger a recall vote
Politician in being a c**t scandal !! Who’d have thought
Aside from quite a few MPs voted to hold him accountable including some tories voting against the whip.
The "they are all the same" line allows the dodgy ones to hide behind the rest.
Only just seen this letter…
The one bit specifically about this case shows you how slippery and deceitful the leader of the house is. The report was delayed many times at the request of Paterson himself.
What worries me the most is the term “Natural Justice” being used so much today when someone has been clearly seen to break the rules they are supposed to operate under. As if “Natural Justice” somehow means that rules don’t need to be followed any more, if you can appeal to the government to give you the thumbs up and override the findings against you.
How about a boycott of the firms who payed his fees? They must have known it was wrong and I would think they could be considered equally guilty under bribery and corruption legislation.
^This, but legal action not just boycotting. Unless the firms paying the MPs are punished, the sleaze won't stop. Not defending the bloke, but he won't be the last individual to accept a nice easy wodge of cash if they think they can get away with it.
I’m completely open to hearing from someone who votes Conservative. What do you make of this issue?
I'm going to go with:
They're all at it why go after him?
They're just against anyone who was pro-Brexit
Imagine how much worse it would be under Corbyn
I don't really care as long as they leave my pension alone.
This is the Chair of the Standards Committee speaking to parliament explaining their decisions.
Well worth watching
Contrary to my expectations, that really WAS worth watching, thanks for sharing.
Comments in the Mail and Telegraph are excoriating. This one will hurt them. Expect a by-election at some point.
Also, blaming the inquiry for his wife’s suicide is particularly scummy. Maybe if you hadn’t broken the rules there wouldn’t have been an enquiry. Accountability is for the little people it seems.
Nothing to do with her caught up a in planning 'issue' then, where the local council rejected it but Tory pal Jenrick overruled?
With a bit of thought this could have been a different outcome, from the numbers, 42 Labour and SNP MP’s were absent, if you had got 60% of them in for the vote it would have been the other way, then again there were over 100 tory MPs who avoided the vote as well, but probably more for image than actual belief!
No doubt some/many would have been absent due to the 'pairing' system.
And this 'natural justice' bollox, they're now saying that MP's should have a right of appeal and I saw a Tory MP yesterday talking about how employees wouldn't just be 'convicted' without appeal. Well that's rubbish. If you're sacked for corruption/contempt you may be appealing via some external 'tribunal', but you'll still have been sacked and stay sacked.
So where were the opposition !!!!! They won by 18 votes FFS there were enough Tory abstentions for it to be defeated.
The opposition are just as bad, they can't even be bothered to turn up to vote against the very stuff they claim to be against. I am so disillusioned with British politics. How can I vote for the Labour party when they can't even be bothered to turn up to stop stuff like this happening, they are totally hopeless. At least the Tory party are effectual at carrying out their mandate.
I’m not judging, I’m genuinely interested how this plays out to Tory voters.
My parents have ardent Tories, pro-Brexit, would be worse under Corbyn, Brown left the Treasury with no money etc, but have never liked Boris, to be fair. They've worked hard and taken risks and opportunities from proper working class starts and are real boomers, and have struggled to see why others haven't/couldn't do the same.
They are coming to realise the consequences of their actions, the labour and supply shortages from Brexit, the mishandling of the pandemic that has put their age group at huge risk, the effects of a long term London centric, financial services led economy (both being born north of the Humber), the run down of public services at a time in life when they will need them most.
This has rocked them again. Not because it's happened, but the shameless way power is being abused to legitimise it. In their name.
They are angry and embarrassed that the Tory Party they supported has gone so far down the rabbit hole, but are struggling to find an alternative that they would feel comfortable supporting and voting for. Takes a long time to turn the oil tanker in their minds.
@maitlis
quotes Dominic Grieve “it cannot escape notice that the P.M. is currently the subject of an investigation for failure to declare his interest by that same Commissioner.
EM”Was this Boris Johnson getting in early because he could see where this trail was going?
Quite a few people were pointing out yesterday and this morning Boris flew in his private jet Weds night to a meeting at the Garrick club with, amongst other, Charles Moore a great friend of Patterson. Others within the Tory party have said that the push for change was suddenly pushed up the agenda and No. 10 were keener on the vote even than many of his friends. Conspiracy theory or corruption?
. If you’re sacked for corruption/contempt you may be appealing via some external ‘tribunal’, but you’ll still have been sacked and stay sacked.
If they had proper punishments, like being sacked as I would for the same offence, then yes, they should have an appeal, but a 6 week suspension they can just **** off.
they can’t even be bothered to turn up to vote
1) those isolating
2) those working in Glasgow
3) those ill
Tell us which opposition MPs “couldn’t be bothered”?
This was a rushed vote, with a three line whip, at a time when the Houses of Parliament have just brought in new restrictions to try and stop/slow an outbreak of coronavirus… but remote working measures for MPs (proxy voting) have been removed by the Leader of the House.
This isn’t an “all politicians are the same” situation… ALL [England/Scotland/Wales] opposition MPs in attendance voted against. A few Conservative MPs did as well, but most voted as the PM wished, even if they knew they were taking parliamentary oversight back 30 years.
But then we ( the electorate as a whole) deserve to be viewed with utter contempt.
I’m not sure I do, as a member of the electorate.
Hmm, as you will see, I specifically phrased it to refer to the electorate as a while. And in that level it is self evidently true. Time after time the government has either ****ed things up or been deliberately evil. And time after time the electorate has renewed and reinforced their mandate at the polls.
I am uterrly ashamed to be part of that electorate, and it appears that you don't feel part of it either.
But the fact remains that the electorate as a whole is contemptible.
All properly registered of course (!) but the trouble for parliament is that mud slung in one area tends to stick elsewhere so it does make one wonder about what exactly having [b] a position as an MP does for those 5 other jobs[/b]
FTFY
As predicted mine voted with the government, spineless shit
Same - but she's has voted with the party 99% of the time, only time she hasn't was the recent environmental bill, something she knew would be voted through anyway but representing an area filled with green voters and supporters I suspect it was political tactics and the conservative party were aware of how she would vote anyway.
I honestly don't know how anyone can vote conservative now, oh hang on, we'd need a credible opposition first - one that's puts policy at the forefront not infighting, and maybe a larger third party that actually has a voice in the media.
The country has put itself slowly into this possition over the last 11yrs. Its going to take another few to dig our selves out....
But the fact remains that the electorate as a whole is contemptible.
I disagree.
The person who is contemptable is the MP(s) at the centre of this. The system of press and reporting, the ability for government and other politicians to pull so many tricks, mis-directions and downright lies without it being revealed, is contemptable. The fact that our systems 'allow' this to happen and can be hi-jacked by the people who don't like them, is contemptable.
I don't like how some people vote, but that is the electorate. We have, and should have, differences of view.
I still think that many are just unaware of a lot of the behaviour and real impact of decisions they make - they have been lied to for so many years, they cannot see the truth for the otters.....
"Tell us which opposition MPs “couldn’t be bothered”?"
How about you give me an excuse everyone who didn't turn up?
I also didn't say they are the same, I said its a pathetic opposition.
The very time when we need a good opposition.
Edited to add What was Jeremy Corbyn's excuse for not turning up ?
But the fact remains that the electorate as a whole is contemptible.
I disagree.
The person who is contemptable is the MP(s) at the centre of this.
Many good points in Matts post. Pinning it on the "electorate" is victim blaming, which kind of fits, given the abusive relationship we are trapped in with these dodgy MPs
I’m going to go with:
They’re all at it why go after him?
They’re just against anyone who was pro-Brexit
Imagine how much worse it would be under Corbyn
I don’t really care as long as they leave my pension alone.
I doubt it
Some will buy the defence and have sympathy for his loss, etc etc
Quite a few will be really angry that this is the hill that Boris has chosen to die on, red wall MP's especially as they know they have a real uphill battle to keep their seats if "Tory sleaze" starts to get traction. They look at the report and think this idiot pushed his luck and was caught and if anything the punishment is light.
Starmer probably thinks Christmas has come early
The potential successors to Boris up their glad handing of the angry MPs
Edited to add What was Jeremy Corbyn’s excuse for not turning up ?
He was taking TOIL
Matt does indeed make good points, but the fact of the matter is that the tories have been getting steadily more evil for years and yet 'we' have continued to vote for them as they have done so. Thus encouraging and enabling their next escalation in scuminess.
Except “we” haven’t.
They had a minority of voters support them, yet have the power to change any rule regarding their own conduct and future elections that they want. Blame “some of the voters”, but most see this government for what they are, and did so in 2019. Johnson is changing things so that the executive can do anything they want, despite the majority of “us” not supporting or electing that executive.
Are you proposing that perhaps we should have the party with the second most votes in power instead?
Good article by Starmer
Tories are in a right mess on this, even as Patersons mates were pretending, that he would still face a some sort of investigation by the new tribunal
Paterson & his allies in rw press doing all they can to undermine that by claiming his innocence
https://twitter.com/OwenPaterson/status/1455142839172620305?t=B4FEnOTsRqaVSRwOacrELw&s=19
and yet ‘we’ have continued to vote for them
I did not. And many of my friends did not.
Are you proposing that perhaps we should have the party with the second most votes in power instead?
I’m saying that one party should not have full control of the executive on a minority of the vote, and then be able to change anything they want as regards oversight without any cross-party cooperation.
I did not. And many of my friends did not.
Oh FFS, I know that. I didn't vote for them either. In fact I'd go so far as to say I don't even know anyone who did vote for them, but the fact remains that shit loads of people did vote for them despite their execrable record.
Paterson & his allies in rw press doing all they can to undermine that by claiming his innocence
They aren't going to do anything else, they have gone all in on this. It was the same in the cash for questions scandal.
The sensible MPs especially the ones getting the hard questions on telly/radio over the coming weeks/months are going to be very angry at having to burn political credibility for this.
It also arguably shows how weak a part of Boris's support is in the party if he needs to defend this to shore it up
the fail aren't pulling any punches so not all the rw press are behind him
