[Closed] OUTRAGE! (Lewes content)

Quite right there's outrage.

People like Nessie.

does the pope still get burnt too?

Why is everyone in that picture wearing a red jumper?
RM.

Why is everyone in that picture wearing a red jumper?

Commie bastards - obviously

[i]does the pope still get burnt too?[/i]

most of the societies burn him

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[i]Why is everyone in that picture wearing a red jumper?[/i]

Each of the societies has it's own uniform.

Cliffe do a good uniform;

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Commercial Square Bonfire Society IIRC. They all have different outfits.
Odd lot!

Tim (just outside of Lewes and escaped for the night already)

a good bonfire night is about the only thing I miss from the south east, battle bonfire was always a good one.

they don't really do it down in pastyland although ottery is getting to the right side of crazy...

Spoiler alert

I went to Lewes for Bonfire night many years ago when I was at Sussex Uni. It such a crazy event with people throwing fireworks and Firing rockets at each other, is it still as dangerous?

I'm about 2 miles away right now and I can already hear sirens....
Would be there but wife is away and I'm not sure my 7 year old is ready for that level of anarchy!

[b]jam bo[/b] Battle was great this year... 🙂

[i]Two effigies of the outgoing Scottish First Minister Alex Salmond were withdrawn from the celebrations after a storm of protest on social media. [/i]

[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-29914503 ]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-29914503[/url]

Obviously the Pope isn't held in such high regard as he was as social media indicated he was still allowed to be burned (in effigy, obvs.)

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It's spelled potpourri !

And it stinks if you burn it.

🙂

Lewes basically invented trolling.

Excellent

Always amazing how so many people get through life with so little sense of humour or fun.

Presumably this is why they live on social media.

(MrsMC from that neck of the woods, burns an effigy of me most weeks)

I think the problem is Nessie, the Yes badge and the 45% - it looks a bit as if they're burning Scottish people instead of just Salmond.

i think it was saddam getting blown up last time I went to lewes...

Didnt they do Lance Armstrong a few years back ?

And yet Putin in a mankini was just fine. See also Baroso in Sevenoaks.

Would have been fine if you'd just stopped at

I think the problem is Nessie,

Didnt they do Lance Armstrong a few years back ?

Wiggo!
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Bencooper - only looks that way if you are dour, miserable and have no sense of humour. 😉

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Interesting, they must have used those special non incendiary fireworks 😉

Oh great, the police are wasting time on this now;

[url= http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/11581755.UPDATE__Police_to_investigate_after_Alex_Salmond_and_Nessie_saved_from_the_bonfires_in_Lewes_tonight_after_backlash/?ref=twtrec ]http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/11581755.UPDATE__Police_to_investigate_after_Alex_Salmond_and_Nessie_saved_from_the_bonfires_in_Lewes_tonight_after_backlash/?ref=twtrec[/url]

So it's not about actually burning him, it's just 'cos lots of people on social media had a hissy fit.

It still remains ok to burn the pope though.

It still remains ok to burn the pope though

And Cameron, Clegg, Putin, Merkel, Morgan, Wiggins, etc, etc.

just 'cos lots of people on social media had a hissy fit.

Eggzakkly.

Love the police response - basically, nowt wrong here but some sadsack has complained, so we're obliged to give the impression we're investigating. 😀

I suppose I can't complain, some payback for the laugh I had during the Lewes floods.

As a yes supporter and non catholic I'm not worried at all about tha Alex Salmond effigy, thats just political satire.
I'm a lot more uncomfortable with the bigoted religious sectarianism on the grounds of tradition and fun.

It's spelled potpourri !

And it stinks if you burn it.

I'm a lot more uncomfortable with the bigoted religious sectarianism on the grounds of tradition and fun.

Honestly, what could possibly be wrong with funny outfits and burning crosses?

Lance Armstrong a few years back ?

It's amazing how fickle some on STW are.

A solid bit of religious bigotry is dismissed as "tradition and fun".

There are parts of the UK that still have some major issues with sectarianism but these small minded Southern tossers can carry on with it for their own entertainment.

I wonder how the hand wringing, coffee drinking, pricks who think this is "fun", would react if they were burning Korans and effigy's of Mohammed?

How about burning a Star of David? Would that be fun?

I went one year and it was awesome. I got my pager nicked out me rucksack mind, shows how long ago it was.

I love the pantomime of it, and it should be encouraged.
😀

Seems to have got more interest than a poppy seller being burned

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-29870960

[i]small minded Southern tossers[/i]

says the man complaining about bigotry 🙄

Yep gotta love the Lewes bonfire societies 😆 keeping health & safety at bay and winding up the whingers all in one night.

Given that the parade & Lewes in general is a peaceful multi-cultural place it can be viewed as a bit of fun... 'cos no one takes it seriously.

Exactly. Just because some parts of the UK can't sort out their own sectarian problems shouldn't mean that the people of Lewes shouldn't carry on with a tradition, which actually springs from a history of protest against the persecution of a religious minority - in this case the burning of protestants during the Reformation.

If there were problems with sectarianism on a day-to-day basis in Sussex I could understand why this event might be a problem.

[i]keeping health & safety at bay[/i]

I'd say it's more about kicking health and safety in the nadgers and then putting a bag over it's head for the night.

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If there were problems with sectarianism on a day-to-day basis in Sussex I could understand why this event might be a problem.

Celebrations in Lewes were not planned or carried out annually, but were more random events that were more like riots. They continued until they were banned by Oliver Cromwell during the Commonwealth. However, they were reintroduced when King Charles II returned, but still on a random basis. Interest waned by the end of the 18th century but in the 1820s large groups of Bonfire Boys started celebrating with fireworks and large bonfires. The celebrations became more and more rowdy until in 1847 police forces were drafted in from London to sort out the Bonfire Boys. There were riots and fighting, and restrictions were clamped down on the celebrators, their locations moved to Wallands Park, at that time fields, not the suburb it is today. However, in 1850 they were allowed back to the High Streets. By this time the former riots had become much more like the processions carried out today. In 1853 the first two societies, Cliffe and Lewes Borough were founded and most of the others were founded later in the same century

They can burn who they like but you have to expect some folk are going to object when you burn the effigy of a living person.

Most people who live in the area manage to understand that its a big laugh. A bit like spitting image with flames.

It's like the Orange Order, really. With firelighters.

They can burn who they like but you have to expect some folk are going to object when you burn the effigy of a living person.

Getting a rise out of folk must be part of the fun. Must have been a disappointing year when they did Cameron and Clegg.

Dangerous game burning Putin though. His objections can be quite direct.

Most people who live in the area manage to understand that its a big laugh. A bit like spitting image with flames.

Really all depends on who they/you/I choose and your own personal boundaries of good taste

scrumfled - Member

Most people who live in the area manage to understand that its a big laugh. A bit like spitting image with flames.

That's why it's a good idea for non-locals to stay away, they don't understand it.
Look at this non-local spectacularly not knowing what it is about:

bencooper - Member

It's like the Orange Order, really. With firelighters.

See?
Absolutely no idea.

Ps. You lost Ben.
Dry yer eyes FFS! 😆

The technical term for a harmless laugh which people are taking all the wrong way just because it has some casual racism/sexism/sectarianism in it is "banter".

Ps. You lost Ben.

And lo, I have found myself again.

I'm not fussed. I think they're idiots, but I defend the rights of idiots to burn anything they like, as long as they've checked it for hibernating hedgehogs first.

One of my very early childhood memories is of the Carlisle bonfire where as I recall it they had Maggie Thatcher emerging from the Gates of Hell.

The technical term for a harmless laugh which people are taking all the wrong way just because it has some casual racism/sexism/sectarianism in it is "banter".

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Junkyard - lazarus

Goes off to burn the queen using poppies and flags as fire lighters for a harmless laugh.

Really all depends on who they/you/I choose and your own personal boundaries of good taste

The Royal Family are all fair game for a burning, as are all politicians and religious figures.

Except the messiah Salmond, of course. 🙄

Celebrations in Lewes were not planned or carried out annually, but were more random events that were more like riots.

sums it up quite nicely...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewes_Bonfire

sbob - Member

Salmond took the piss out of them when asked about it,but don't let that interfere with your "understanding" of anything.I am sure all the bonfire societies were high sixing each other over the extra publicity.

That's why it's a good idea for non-locals to stay away, they don't understand it.

These two would LAP it up no doubt then Sbob?

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high sixing each other

Likes.

Salmond was canny enough to give the right response, and his popularity in Sussex can't come as any surprise to him (or bother him particularly).

[i]That's why it's a good idea for non-locals to stay away, they don't understand it.[/i]

I took a Canadian to the Lewes bonfires once.

He spent most of the evening with his jaw on the floor.

He'd though English traditions ended with Morris dancing outside a pub on sunny Sunday.

As long as they're not too easily offended, and are not worried about receiving minor injuries from fireworks being used in a less than safe manner, then I'm sure they'd be fine.

Hand wringing whingers may also like to avoid Valencia, 15-19 March. 😉

These two would LAP it up no doubt then Sbob?

[i]the original 'local' shop was down the road in Rottingdean... so they are local [/i]

*likes*

My wife got hit in the eye by a rocket during this. Fun night out!

The Royal Family are all fair game for a burning

I fairly certain that if you burnt an effigy of the Queen you wouldn't get away with it. Plod would definitely have something to say.

Besides, have any of the Lewes bigots ever burnt an effigy of a Royal?

If there were problems with sectarianism on a day-to-day basis in Sussex I could understand why this event might be a problem.

FFS. 🙄

Hand wringing whingers may also like to avoid Valencia, 15-19 March.

That isn't about targeting a particular religious group or is it? Completely different.

The ninots and their falles are constructed according to an agreed upon theme that has traditionally been, and continues to be, a satirical jab at anything or anyone who draws the attention of the critical eyes of the falleros

I am sure all the bonfire societies were high sixing each other over the extra publicity.

I doubt it.
Many different measures are put in place to keep out non-locals. It would only take one or two Junkyards or bencoopers to take umbrage at some papier-mache figures, or receiving minor burns, and it would be the end of the festivities.

theme that has traditionally been, and continues to be, a satirical jab at anything or anyone who draws the attention of the critical eyes

Just like Lewes, then.

Completely different.

I've attended both.
They really are not completely different.

CaptainFlashheart - Member

Just like Lewes, then.

We have a winner! 😀

Must say, as a yes voting, "scottish" "catholic" I'm struggling to get offended by this! 😆

Although reading through the wiki page just seems that they burn whoever is prevalent in the media at preceeding the event. Guess you could read into that a number of ways. (I'd go for lacking imagination tbh. 😆 )

It would only take one or two Junkyards or bencoopers to take umbrage at some papier-mache figures

It's amazing this talent you have for seeing offended people when there are none. It's sort-of a reverse touchiness - say something controversial then desperately look for anyone who might be offended by it.

I thought salmonds response was great btw! 😆

Yup, perfect timing and expression at the end 🙂

I thought salmonds response was great btw!

Well, apart from not realising that Lewes is LibDem, yes it was!

It's a Pagan festival? Surprised no-one has mentioned that already.

TBF it's not like there's a difference between the Tories, LibDems and Labour.

CaptainFlashheart - Member
Well, apart from not realising that Lewes is LibDem, yes it was!

And if you haven't noticed, even labour are classed as tories in scotland now. All the British parties are, only distinction is whether they are a red, yellow or blue tory. 😆

I would have thought that Putin astride the downed Malaysian airliner would have raised a few more eyebrows?

It would only take one or two Junkyards or bencoopers to take umbrage at some papier-mache figures

Its does not offend me

They can burn who they like

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Once you've gone past that bad taste threshold anything is fair game. Frankie Boyle should get a float next year.

As a Scot who lives in Lewes, who went to the CSBS bonfire site, I thought it was hilarious. Especially when it looked like he was firing rockets out of his moobs. There was no serious intent. It's not bigoted. It's not racist. It's fun. Eck himself took it in good humour.
And Lewes is definitely not a Tory town.

I think the whole response to this thing is hilarious and farcical. A friend on facebook shared all the Yes protests and declared his outrage at the Salmond effigy and said can you imagine the riots and national outrage if they had done one of Cameron, I pointed out to him they did Cameron in 2010 and 2011 and no one batted an eyelid.

Great work on the effigy things though, love the one of Salmond with his arse hanging out, and his response to it was very good too.

Just as well we don't get spitting image any more, can you imagine the whining you'd get these days

looked like he was firing rockets out of his moobs

Outgunned!
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It's conflagatory satire, and it doesn't work if it doesn't offend someone, somewhere.

Seeing as Salmond himself was amused, I don't think the rest of us should get offended except for the implied cruelty to Nessie. (Salmond's riposte was very good BTW.)

I think the people who are offended are seeing it as primarily aimed at Scots in general rather than Salmond in particular.

They agreed not to set light to it. They blew it up instead. Excellent and all good fun. As posted before they had a Cameron/Clegg one a few years ago.