[Closed] OT: Apple Mac user - BSOD often?

Never had BSOD on my MBP nor on my work W7 machine. Have to say W7 is way more stable than OSX. I regularly have to reboot my MBP but very rarely reboot the W7 machine (which gets used far more).

footflaps - Member

Never had BSOD on my MBP nor on my work W7 machine. Have to say W7 is way more stable than OSX. I regularly have to reboot my MBP but very rarely reboot the W7 machine (which gets used far more).

Weird ... what W7 machine do you have?

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BSOD will be malware,, an errant third-party driver, hardware, or a corrupt system file, in arguably that order of likelyhood. Analysing the minidump will usually tell you.

MBAM and MSE play well together too. Not quite sure where you're getting that from.

once or twice (in 15 years) a dodgy external HD borked mine once, you get a grey screen and some text in several languages instead of a blue screen. had to force quit a few apps now and again but that doesn't crash the OS.
i find applejack and onyx keep things running smoothly

Just re-install it. Make sure that everything is really well re-seated, ram, graphics card etc.
I had similar problems, no more though
MBAM and MSE perfect here too, W7 64 bit

Never.

Never. (18 months on an iMac)

BSOD is a Windows phenomenon. Mac equivalent is kernel panic which is what Mr Smith describes. It's as rare as hen's teeth (have never seen in 7 years of using OS X) but then on a malware-free Windows system with the right hardware drivers, BSODs aren't nearly as common as billed either.

Never in over 5 years!

My pooter has just came back from repair last Friday(£66 for reinstall, change of Graphic card and make everything work but they refused to install antivirus or antimalware for me - had to do that myself) ... the HDD is new out of box and everything totally reinstall from start. Graphic card changed to a newer one etc ...

Scanned the system so many times with anti-rootkit, anti-malware and anti-virus all came up clean. Did the Checksum (whatever that is called), SfC /Scannow, repair boot-disc all said fine ...

Still get BSOD so when checked on "View reliability history" the system usually show either MBAM or MSE as the fault ... to start with then other things start to collapse left right and centre ... I mean the list is so long it does not fit in a 23 inches monitor page.

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as ratherbeintobago says, BSOD is a windows thing. However, I've had a kernel panic on my old 2.16GHz C2D MBP with OS X Snow Leopard recently with minecraft 1.6.2 every time when I try to make minecraft run in full screen. Aside from that, had a kernel panic 3 or 4 times in 7 years of macs. Not had a kernel panic on my new 15" rMBP but I've only had it since December.

Properly set up machines with regular software running don't really get BSODs or kernel panics. The OS tries its best to avoid that sort of thing.

on a malware-free Windows system with the right hardware drivers, BSODs aren't nearly as common as billed either.

TBH, in a lot of cases NT6-based systems (Vista forwards) are still being tarred with the same brush as XP and earlier. Most people who use hilarious terms like "Windoze" are making statements that haven't really been true for half a decade.

Only seen one proper kernel panic as described above in nearly 20 years' Mac ownership and usage.

I have to restart apps fairly regularly, but that's easy.

I've got a 2008 intel core 2 macbook (first of the unibody aluminium ones) , 2.4ghz/4gb ram/500gb hard drive and it's not once spat the dummy out despite being carted about in a bag a lot of the time, still on the original battery which admittingly only lasts for an hrs full use these days - one of my best ever purchases.

@chewkw sounds like a drivers problem or some corrupted piece of OS software. 2 ways to deal with it: start over (again) or ditch bitlocker and other pieces until it becomes stable. I wont suggest you change to OS X as you'll have good reasons to use windows.

I would be inclined to take it back as £66 to do NTN and return a PC that falls over seems a bit peculiar.

I've had about 5 kernal panics in the past few months.

3 on one evening - trying to attached a photo in gmail while using firefox caused a kernel panic.

The last one happened when I was DJing - luckily just at home. I had firefox open again in the background.

I've heard firefox doesnt sit well with OSX so I have uninstalled and I'm closely/nervously watching it. Didn't have any hiccups last time I DJed.

I've had my MacBook Pro 'Panic' crash 2 or 3 times in 2 years (and subsequent reformat and re install software)...can't remember the last time I had a windows total crash (never on windows 7...probably 2 or 3 years ago on vista and XP but still very rare). I've been disappointed with my Mac reliability (luckily bought on education store so 3 years warranty) as I've also had the power supply fail but it looks and feels nice and is excellent at battery saving during sleep and very fast wake-up.

Never had a BSOD, spinning beach ball of doom loads of time. When we were using Macs for CAD it was probably a weekly occurrence. That was a few years ago, Windows 7 on a PC now, much happier.

If you look at reliability stats (rather than subjective experience) Apple always rank very highly if not highest.

Probably about 3 complete kernel panics with Tiger (cba to upgrade). Surprised that W7 is fewer but I wouldn't say that makes it more reliable.
0 with Linux in the last 10 years, so that must be the most reliable 🙂 (edit: and any I had was due to kernel hacking anyway, not bugs in released kernel)

In the last 15 years my company has probably had over 100 Macs. Only one BSOD in that time. No big deal as the faulty Mac was backed up.

To this day none of those Macs are 'dead'. The older ones are more obsolete.

My MBP freezes rarely. My W7 home build PC doesn't BSOD. neither system is problematic from an admin perspective.

I wouldn't suggest buying a mac as a solution to a PC problem unless there is some specific app you need.. For the x times the price a mac is no better, just x times different.

Never had a BSOD, spinning beach ball of doom loads of time.

That seems to be OSX's response to anything and everything. When I can find the time to buy a copy of W7, I'm going to install it over OSX and abandon Apple OSs. Much as I hate to say it, Windows 7 is far superior in stability and has a decent file explorer rather than the 1970s remedial thing which Apple seem to stick with.

Email me the minidump.

My 2002 vintage G5 has just been condemned to the WEEE recycling. Towards the end it was panicking every couple of months. The logic board has dodgy soldering around the RAM slots that causes the problem, temporary fix is to run a hairdryer inside the machine pointing at the RAM to reflow the solder!!
Never seen a panic on the core duo macbook pro which has been a workhorse carted around town and building sites.

Win7: no bsod ever in 3 years of my work desktop, it's on 24/7, and only been rebooted maybe 10 times for sw installs. I'm very careful with what sw goes on it being my main tool.

Win7: No bsod ever in 4 years of my home desktop but its not used much nowadays. Lots of crap on it. Only got mse for anti-virus on it only I know the admin password.

Vista: laptop used by no1 llama. Installs everything, clicks yes to anything, downloads from anywhere. Result: Very unreliable, horrid, dirty thing.

Ubuntu: don't know version, big d##k donkey or something silly. Freezes frequently - its something odd about the display driver (old laptop)

That seems to be OSX's response to anything and everything. When I can find the time to buy a copy of W7, I'm going to install it over OSX and abandon Apple OSs. Much as I hate to say it, Windows 7 is far superior in stability and has a decent file explorer rather than the 1970s remedial thing which Apple seem to stick with.

Sounds like there's a problem with your system. I very rarely get the spinning beachball.

I have a 2008 MacBook and a 2012 Mac Mini. Never had a system crash on either.

Used to get crashes all the time with OS9, until the RAM was upped from 256 to 1Gb, running Photoshop. 😉
I used to get spinning beachballs on my 2003 G3 PowerBook from time to time, again with 1Gb of RAM, again running Photoshop, and my Mini, which has 4Gb sometimes has an app hang up, usually iTunes, but it's left running 24/7, neither of which has happened often enough to bother me.
A suggestion, which might give the best of both worlds, get the Mini, which is a delightful [i]little[/i] machine, get Parallels or whatever the other virtual machine (can't for the life of me remember the name) installed, install your copy of Windows 8 on it, then you can have both open at the same time, and enjoy the benefits of being able to use 'ware you're already comfortable with, while getting the free stuff that Apple supply, like GarageBand, iMovie, etc.

Went mac with the first Intels 2006? Never had a problem with software, couple of ps issues on he first machine but the next two have been faultless on permanently and used daily.

Cougar - Moderator

Email me the minidump.

Minidump is empty ... d'oh!

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My system:

Asus P7P-55M
New HD: Samsung 840 pro 256GB SSD
Graphic card: Nvidia GeForce GT240
OS: Win 7 Home Premium 64bits SP1
Security: Windows firewall, MSE and MBAM.
Application: Microsoft Office.
Browser: Firefox 22.0 and IE 10
CoreTemp: Just to monitor temperature.
PDF: PDF-Xchange Viewer
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p/s: the next time it crashes I will try to see if something is recorded in the minidump.

pp/s: arrghhh ... CCleaner cleaned the minidump out and now that I have unchecked it hopefully I shall have some information the next time it goes BSOD.

I have only had about 3 panics in 10 years of mac usage. I found that one was due to faulty memory - as the machine heated up with stress the chips malfunctioned and caused crashes. Replacing the DIMM fixed the issue.

Check the 'console' (in the utilities folder) and it will have the system logs there, which may give you more info.

2007 MacBook Pro here and have had a a handful of panics in that time, rare enough to disregard altogether. Had a few on earlier models/MacOS releases but nothing to write home about. Mid-2010 Mac Mini in the house too and I can't remember a panic on there. I love Macs.

However, I've been using a Windows 7 PC at work for about a year now and it's not blue screened on me yet. I don't do anything particularly heavyweight on it though as most of my work is done on Linux VMs.

As above, fix the problem rather than spend money on new kit!

We've run macs at work for ever, never had that, we can get spinning beach ball, usually if we've upgraded the OS without adding ram, but other than that, nothing much really, had to send a refurb back to be er refurbed, Macs are reliable, always have been. We're running mac mini's even have a mac mini server to replace a couple of ageing Xserves, thoroughly reliable.

OSX Snow Leopard on MBP, Mountain Lion on Mac Mini, Win 7 Home Premium on gaming PC, Win 7 Pro on work laptop, Windows 8 & Server 2012 on virtual lab kit.

Mountain Lion has been the most problematic and most of that was having to use Terminal to kill one or two applications but has generally been much better since the MIni was upgraded to 16GB and a couple of open source apps uninstalled.

I used to run OSX Leopard on my old G5 Power Mac and Vista Home Premium 32bit on my old Dell XPS and both were rock solid with only the odd driver issue to solve.

Windows hasn't been a total pile of crap since Millennium Edition. The only BSOD I have had recently have been on the gaming machine when over-clocking and getting the memory settings wrong. Every time I have dealt with a server at work with a Kernel panic or BSOD it has been memory related - either the installation engineer not understanding NUMA ram allocations or dodgy chips (thanks IBM).

As far as mates machines go it has always inevitably been user error that has caused problems - often from going to web sites they shouldn't or from using peer-to-peer networks.

Next time you have a BSOD take a look out for a something .sys file make a note of the name and do a Google on it chances are lots of people will have had the same issue and found an answer. Common causes are Graphics card drivers, but saying that as above only time I've had them on my Win7 desktop is by tinkering with memory settings.

Russell96 - Member

Next time you have a BSOD take a look out for a something .sys file make a note of the name and do a Google on it chances are lots of people will have had the same issue and found an answer. Common causes are Graphics card drivers, but saying that as above only time I've had them on my Win7 desktop is by tinkering with memory settings.

I just checked the virtual memory where I found out it was set below the recommended setting so I just changed it to 'System managed Size' ... let's see if that works.

Windows is fine, save your money. Your problems are specific to your machine by the sound of it. Get it fixed.

molgrips - Member

Windows is fine, save your money. Your problems are specific to your machine by the sound of it. Get it fixed.

I just got it back from the computer repair shop so in a way I got it "fixed" but then it started to go crazy again. Put it this way before I got it back it was worst as the system was practically unusable ... easily 10 BSOD per day ... 😯

I have never checked the virtual memory and only found it just now it was lower than the recommended ones. Set it to System Manage now to see if it works.

Yes, I really find it weird that I did the same thing as everyone but I got all problems with BSOD while others never. I guess obviously I did not do things right ... arrghhh ... 😡

If I can save some cash I would but I really need a backup system soon.

Judging from the everyone's response Apple seems to do a good job.

Put it this way I use my computer for:

1. Surfing the net.
2. Watch Yutube movies.
3. Microsoft Office.
4. Solitaire game. (wish I have PacMan)
5. Check email.

That's it ... nothing else.

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Put it this way I use my computer for:

1. Surfing the net.
2. Watch Yutube movies.
3. Microsoft Office.
4. Solitaire game. (wish I have PacMan)
5. Check email.

That's it ... nothing else.

Just buy a new, cheap, generic computer in that case. Choice of manufacturer or OS will make no difference for any of that

You could get a tablet...?

zokes - Member
Just buy a new, cheap, generic computer in that case. Choice of manufacturer or OS will make no difference for any of that

£350 laptop? But I still need anti-malware etc ...

Am thinking of Apple simply to avoid having to install anti-malware etc as I fear that they might have conflict with each other.

If I can fix my system properly it will be a superdoper pc but by the looks of things I am way behind creating a super pooter. 😕

molgrips - Member

You could get a tablet...?

I need to use Microsoft Office often for my work so tablet might not be a good idea. However, I will get one later on just to surf net ...

Yep agree with Zokes, Win7 has been the most stable OS I have used, on par with Ubuntu in various releases. I can't remember when it last crashed. Sounds like you have some problem hardware in there.

Desktops start at £230
http://outlet.euro.dell.com/Online/SecondaryInventorySearch.aspx?c=uk&l=en&s=dfh&cs=ukdfh1&puid=535fce37

mikewsmith - Member

Yep agree with Zokes, Win7 has been the most stable OS I have used, on par with Ubuntu in various releases. I can't remember when it last crashed. Sounds like you have some problem hardware in there.

Desktops start at £230

Dell ... my old Dell Laptop with Win Xp did not crash more than 5 times in 8 years. But I had to change the HD in the 6th year. I will keep Dell as an option.

But I still need anti-malware etc ...

MBAM is free, as is MSE

as I fear that they might have conflict with each other.

Assuming all else is well (drivers etc), they won't. They both play nicely on my creaking x64 Vista box, and that's allegedly the worst OS MS made since Millennium!

zokes - Member

MBAM is free, as is MSE

Yes, my friend's Vista has both and they play nicely where as mine is Win 7 64bits ... they hate each other.

Have you ruled out a hardware fault? It's been very hot recently, a poorly cooled machine will likely overheat and could BSOD. Check all fans are spinning up and working fine.

I've got both Macs and a Win7 machine, both solid and sound for the last few years in terms of BSOD and Kernel panics.

A faulty memory module could cause intermittent BSOD and is really quick to fix, but frustrating as you'll mess around with software for weeks first.

Win 7 64bits ... they hate each other.

Well, they don't on the copy of W7 x64 I have running on my mac

Lazgoat - Member

Have you ruled out a hardware fault? It's been very hot recently, a poorly cooled machine will likely overheat and could BSOD. Check all fans are spinning up and working fine.

Hardware seem fine with temp not exceeding 50C at anytime. Normal is 33-38C. Yes, all fan working and Corsair h50 watercool is fine too.

A faulty memory module could cause intermittent BSOD and is really quick to fix, but frustrating as you'll mess around with software for weeks first.

No problem with memory module too. 🙁

zokes - Member

Well, they don't on the copy of W7 x64 I have running on my mac

Yes, looks like I am the only one getting problem ... 😕

Let's if the virtual memory adjustment cures it ... arrghhh ... 😐

It does sound like a hardware fault.

What does the BSOD say specifically? (The codes sometimes help track down the cause...) My guess would be a hardware fault, e.g. memory, overheating graphics card, duff power supply etc or buggy driver.

As for Macs never 'bluescreening', it is cowpoo. You can also get the 'spinning rainbow of shite' where the cursor spins forever and you can't click anything. If you have never seen those occur, you either are lucky, or just don't use the computer that much.

If you don't believe me, search for 'panic' on any Mac discussion site:
[url= https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=site%3Adiscussions.apple.com+panic&oq=site%3Adiscussions.apple.com+panic&aqs=chrome.0.69i57j69i58.5173j0&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 ]link[/url]

That's not to say Macs are bad, they're not, but equally they're not some marvellous wonderful world where everything 'just works'.

I'd consider replacing your RAM before you bin it. I'm no expert but a crash that regular sounds very much like a faulty RAM module (or a chipset failure on the motherboard).

Given how easily and cheaply you could bash some fresh RAM in though, I'd try that first.

W7 for 50 hours a week running all sorts here for four years on this box, never had a BSOD yet...

iamtheresurrection - Member
I'd consider replacing your RAM before you bin it. I'm no expert but a crash that regular sounds very much like a faulty RAM module (or a chipset failure on the motherboard).

Given how easily and cheaply you could bash some fresh RAM in though, I'd try that first.

W7 for 50 hours a week running all sorts here for four years on this box, never had a BSOD yet...

Just download and burn memtest86+ and leave it running over night.

I'm a very big fan of W7, great OS but IME it's the third party drivers tyhat cause issues. I installed a piece of software that allowed me to print to a network shared printer which made it BSOD once a day, no obvious solution other than uninstalling and connecting the printer directly to the PC which made me a bit sad, I wanted the printer shared to everyone.

Anyway, MBP, not had a kernel panic in over a year although if I put it to sleep while it's playing a video from netflix or lovefilm it struggles to wake back up again. Quite often it'll eventually shut itself down. Pausing the film first seems to fix that issue.

Just download and burn memtest86+ and leave it running over night.

Even cheaper 😉

Chewkw, I've received your md. I'll take it to bits at work later and see what I can find.

Corsair h50 watercool is fine too.

You're watercooling? So presumably you're overclocking? Have you tried not doing that?

Ok, I've analysed the dump.

The faulting process (in this case) is the Malwarebytes service, and the error is a memory management issue.

Has it crashed since you reset the virtual memory setting? Because that could absolutely cause this issue, so you may have already fixed it.

Failing that, if MBAM is failing with a memory issue, logically either MBAM is faulty or your RAM is. It would be interesting to compare other dumps to see if it's always MBAM which falls over; could just be that it happened to be the process unfortunate enough to break the camel's back this time.

I'd run memtest+ as others have suggested to try and isolate / rule out down a faulty DIMM. Probably worth disabling the 'pro' realtime scan features of MBAM too, or even uninstalling it completely.

Cougar - Moderator

Ok, I've analysed the dump.

The faulting process (in this case) is the Malwarebytes service, and the error is a memory management issue.

Has it crashed since you reset the virtual memory setting? Because that could absolutely cause this issue, so you may have already fixed it.

Hi Cougar,

Thank you for your help. Highly appreciated.

No, no overclocking at all. Standard. I bought Corsair H50 thinking to learn to overclock my system but that was prevented due to BSOD.

So far so good after I have set the virtual memory to "System Manage" for all partition. That should be more than enough.

Failing that, if MBAM is failing with a memory issue, logically either MBAM is faulty or your RAM is. It would be interesting to compare other dumps to see if it's always MBAM which falls over; could just be that it happened to be the process unfortunate enough to break the camel's back this time.

Yes, it either MBAM or MSE when it fails every time or most of the time. At the moment I have MBAM on Real-time(trial) and MSE on Real-time. I have paid license for MBAM too so if it works, after adjusting virtual memory, then I will use my paid version again.

MBAM(Trial with Real-time) and MSE(Real-time) are both playing nicely at the moment.

I'd run memtest+ as others have suggested to try and isolate / rule out down a faulty DIMM. Probably worth disabling the 'pro' realtime scan features of MBAM too, or even uninstalling it completely.

Yes, will try memtest+ this evening.

I want to keep MBAM if I can with realtime since I paid for it and the internet is full of nasties ...

🙂

chewkw...

It might be the disk controller on your ASUS motherboard that's the issue. ASUS were using a recently retired SATA controller that's notorious for causing issues. I've had long standing issues with my ASUS mobo'd i7 system. THe only way I've been able to resolve is is move all devices off the onboard SATA 6gb/raid controller.

I've been a mac and PC user for many many years, but I'm now switching solely to OSX. The reason? Too many drivers required for Windows. When they work it's great, and MS had a great idea in trying to move from kernel mode drivers, but third party drivers (and frequently ones from ATI) can be awful.

Moving to mac means you'll get less say ultimately in the hardware you get, but it'll be good quality and the limited driver set means you'll have far less device i/o issues.

In all my time owning macs, I've had one kernel panic, and that was on my old 'Leaf Blower' g4 (about 8 years ago, maybe longer). I've had several Macs since and no kernel panics FFIW.

p8ddy - Member

chewkw...

It might be the disk controller on your ASUS motherboard that's the issue. ASUS were using a recently retired SATA controller that's notorious for causing issues. I've had long standing issues with my ASUS mobo'd i7 system. THe only way I've been able to resolve is is move all devices off the onboard SATA 6gb/raid controller.

I am not setting it up as RAID system but checking the'Event Viewer' I do have a "The driver detected a controller error on \Device\Harddisk2\DR2" I think I am not using the raid controller ... can't remember now. (p/s: I think one of them is plug into the Raid Controller ... argghhh)

I've been a mac and PC user for many many years, but I'm now switching solely to OSX. The reason? Too many drivers required for Windows. When they work it's great, and MS had a great idea in trying to move from kernel mode drivers, but third party drivers (and frequently ones from ATI) can be awful.

Yes, that's what I am thinking ... drivers etc don't really want to play nicely with each other at times.

Moving to mac means you'll get less say ultimately in the hardware you get, but it'll be good quality and the limited driver set means you'll have far less device i/o issues.

I am not that bothered at the moment so long as it works .... anything that works is better than my BSOD put it this way.

In all my time owning macs, I've had one kernel panic, and that was on my old 'Leaf Blower' g4 (about 8 years ago, maybe longer). I've had several Macs since and no kernel panics FFIW.

Glad to hear that as I am really thinking about having one as a backup. This year I had so many panic attacks (real not Mac related) because my pooter kept giving me BSOD during the work deadline ... arrghhh ...

Memtest will run from USB.

I think it comes as Standard on Ubuntu, D/L it, grab Unetbootin - use UNB to make a bootable USB from your ISO, boot from that and select memtest.

LET IT RUN OVERNIGHT....

Has anyone suggested resetting the RAM timings? If memtest fails and KEEPS failing no-matter what you do with the RAM position etc, try Load Optimised Defaults etc in BIOS in case your RAM timings are wrong.

Check back if you are going to do that.

gofasterstripes - Member

Memtest will run from USB.

Will do that tomorrow.

Good news is that in the Event Viewer I only have 1 error now rather double digits ... not less than say 25 on a normal day when boot up.

The error is as below:
---------------------------------------------
System
- Provider
[ Name] Microsoft-Windows-Kernel-EventTracing
[ Guid] {B675EC37-BDB6-4648-BC92-F3FDC74D3CA2}
EventID 3
Version 0
Level 2
Task 2
Opcode 14
Keywords 0x8000000000000010
- TimeCreated
[ SystemTime] 2013-08-06T19:58:04.666805600Z
EventRecordID 298
Correlation
- Execution
[ ProcessID] 4
[ ThreadID] 168
Channel Microsoft-Windows-Kernel-EventTracing/Admin
Computer ... me ...
- Security
[ UserID] XXX
- EventData
SessionName Microsoft Security Client OOBE
FileName C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Microsoft Security Client\Support\EppOobe.etl
ErrorCode 3221225485
LoggingMode 5
----------------------------------------------

Any idea how to deal with the above error ...? The last one to deal.

🙂

7 years of mac usage and never had a BSOD, that is by definition a Windows feature. I have had the occasional application crash but never the machine.

Looks like Mac is winning hand down when it comes to BSOD ... 😯

I guess I have to make a choice of not putting all eggs in one basket by having two different types of computer ... OS & OSX ...

Never had one, been over 6 years on my iMac now and it's still as good as the day I bought it.

jambalaya - Member
7 years of mac usage and never had a BSOD, that is by definition a Windows feature. I have had the occasional application crash but never the machine.

No, it's just a Windows term for a kernel panic, which you will find on every OS kernel, OSX/Darwin, Linux, *BSD, HURD, NT, QNX, AmigaOS etc.

@retro, it was posted a little tongue in cheek. All I can say in 25 years of dos/windows machines I had more crashes in a month than in the last 7 years of macs

FileName C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Microsoft Security Client\Support\EppOobe.etl

[list][*]Disable the Microsoft Anti-Malware Service in Services, then reboot.[/*]
[*]Delete this file and reboot; MSE will recreate it.[/*]
[*]Re-enable the service and set it to Auto.[/*]
[/list]
Seems odd that MSE and MBAM are both having problems. I might be inclined to run an online AV scan just to get a second - er, third - opinion on whether you've got some sort of infection.

Windows Updates all up to date yeah?

EDIT - ooh, I got lists to work.

jambalaya - Member
@retro, it was posted a little tongue in cheek. All I can say in 25 years of dos/windows machines I had more crashes in a month than in the last 7 years of macs

Okay, but just because you've been lucky enough to avoid them doesn't mean they don't happen. I refer you to my earlier link:

[url= https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=site%3Adiscussions.apple.com+panic&oq=site%3Adiscussions.apple.com+panic&aqs=chrome.0.69i57j69i58.5173j0&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 ]link[/url]

Also you need to bear in mind that you are lumping old Windows/DOS releases in there too. Try running classic Mac OS for a while, see how stable you think Macs are then 😆 You need to be looking at 7 and 8. To be honest, for a 12+ year old OS, XP isn't doing too badly either. Compare to 10.1 for instance 😆 Failing to resume from sleep, kernel panics, spinning rainbow bawbag of doom will become familiar pretty quickly. Same as windows really, some good releases, some lemons, some showstopping bugs, etc.

I'd personally say software wise, they are slightly more reliable, partly due to the limited range of hardware it needs to support but anyway it's not as huge a difference as some make out. Though of course, you can fix any OSX issue by repairing permissions 😆

Cougar - Moderator

FileName C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Microsoft Security Client\Support\EppOobe.etl

Disable the Microsoft Anti-Malware Service in Services, then reboot.
Delete this file and reboot; MSE will recreate it.
Re-enable the service and set it to Auto.

I will do this later on but so far everything is working fine. The Microsoft support says let it be. i.e. nothing to worry about. 😯

Seems odd that MSE and MBAM are both having problems. I might be inclined to run an online AV scan just to get a second - er, third - opinion on whether you've got some sort of infection.

Windows Updates all up to date yeah?

EDIT - ooh, I got lists to work.

Yes, seems odd but then it's only 1 error now rather than gazillion I normally get when booting-up.

I am sure there is no malware as I have scanned with MBAM, MSE, Microsoft Safety Scanner, Microsoft Windows Malicious Software Removal Tool and MBAM Anti-rootkit. All clean.

Yes, Windows updates all up-to-date.

🙂

chewkw, I would check your memory is on the qualified vendor list (QVL) for your motherboard. When I built my current PC, I suffered from regular BSODs and realised my mem wasnt on the list for my model. Changed it and havent had a BSOD since (2years, on 24x7)

Example for my Asus board: http://support.asus.com/QVL.aspx?SLanguage=en&p=1&m=M4A785TD-V%20EVO&hashedid=fcsXWSxnhzZE9rnR

Managed to sell my old mem to a mate, who its fine with.

superfli - Member

chewkw, I would check your memory is on the qualified vendor list (QVL) for your motherboard. When I built my current PC, I suffered from regular BSODs and realised my mem wasnt on the list for my model. Changed it and havent had a BSOD since (2years, on 24x7)

Yes, before I bought the MOBO I check for compatibility.
Mine is Corsair CMX ... which is on the list.

As I am typing this my system hang ... 😡

I thought I have solved the problem but looks like I have not.

😯

p/s: the system hang is caused by MBAM just now so I had to reboot ... arrghhh ...

My iMac used to hang constantly. Apparently they shipped that particular iteration with a shonky OS that was completely incompatible with all the printer and scanner drivers of the time, and it had to be extensively tweaked through the extensions manager to make it even remotely usable. Made it more stable, but still a bit ropey. I've genuinely had more crashes and hangs on that one iMac than on all the PCs I've used ever since combined. :/

Extensions manager? Was that OS 9?

Mrs Toast,

That's unheard of until now.

😯

No it's not, the guts of the Classic OS were about 20 years old and crashed if you looked at it funny.

It was OS 8.6, on the 2nd gen iMac (about '99, I think?). Worst thing was it was the super posh top version, with a DVD drive and everything! Absolute pig of a machine.

p/s: the system hang is caused by MBAM just now so I had to reboot ... arrghhh ...

I'd uninstall it, even if it's just temporarily as a troubleshooting step, see if that cures your problem. Then, go back to MBAM for support on the software you've paid for, or pursue a refund.

You said you'd run scans, but that might be for naught if your AV is SNAFUed by an infection. That's why I suggested an [url= http://www.eset.co.uk/Antivirus-Utilities/Online-Scanner ]online scanner[/url].

Sorry to hear that Mrs Toast, must have been very disappointing.

I still have one of those, running 10.2.

S_______L_______O_______W________L________Y

down in Cornwall.

TBH it fits right in. Kernow bys vyken!

Sorry to hear that Mrs Toast, must have been very disappointing.

It haunts my dreams.

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Although to be fair, it probably would have been fine if I didn't want to use a graphics tablet, printer, scanner or zip drive...