jambalaya - MemberLabour chose the wrong brother.
😆
Because David Miliband, the man who is more Blairite than Tony Blair himself, would have made a great leader of the Labour Pary !
Spoken like a true Tory supporter jambalaya.
Got a genuine lol at this: https://you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/independent-enquiry-for-scottish-referendum-vote-count
@ernie, I think you and I have been round this one before 🙂 Blair delivered 10+ years of Labour government, moving further left will ensure Labour don't win. You win UK elections by being in the centre, be that centre-right or centre-left. Blair recognised that.
@epic understood and agreed !
I can understand the appeal Tony Blair had for you jambalaya, he delivered 10 years of Tory government repackaged as New Labour. What's not to like for a Tory supporter like you ?
I can also understand your disappointment that David Miliband wasn't chosen as leader.
I got what I voted for, a centerist government 😉
I got what I voted for, a centerist government
You got what the majority voted for too 😀
Well we told you that NO delivered what you wanted - we could have solved a lot of time, expense and aggravation!
They only made the offer last week and it was made as a result of the campaign and the closeness of the vote so the campign delivered the offer.
As i said he would have taken this at the start and CMD would not have offered it. At the time CMD would not even allow it on the ballot.
My job today was in a food processing factory in Cumbernauld
I ventured into the rest room for a tea and a warm up and, as you'd expect there was a lot of talk about the result.
They all seemed gutted, one fella said it was the proddys controlling the media that did for them, for which there was universal agreement.
I nodded and sipped my tea quietly 🙂
jota180 - Member
...They all seemed gutted, one fella said it was the proddys controlling the media that did for them, for which there was universal agreement.
Catholics. Protestants, and a big divide.
Glasgow's churches must be packed each Sunday with all those devoutly religious people.
I wonder when they'll get to the 11th Commandment...
jota180 - MemberThey all seemed gutted, one fella said it was the proddys controlling the media that did for them, for which there was universal agreement.
You should have explained that it's the zionist lizards that control the media.
Looks like there's been a Yes supporter stabbed in George Square in Glasgow after the Union Flag waving bampots arrived mob handed to break up the Yes party.
Shit
Potential was always there. Let's hope the guy isn't too badly hurt and it doesn't escalate. Just a few hundred nutters, if that ,hopefully.
Hopefully the case, some of the posts I've seen related to the alleged ballot fraud are disturbing. And on topic.
Apparently Queen St Station has shut its doors. Flares are being set off.
Doesn't bode well. Anyone near?
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I have to say that this looks like the usual rent -a-thug mob and nothing to do with the No campaign. Sickening.
And the promised devo max all just smoke and mirrors...
No, the great triumph lay not in the quality of public debate (which was often breathtakingly dishonest) or the extent of popular participation (which was frequently ugly and demeaning). [b]The key to the real source of democratic freedom was in the result: what became clear was the sacred function of that late historical reform to the electoral system, the secret ballot[/b]
Janet Daley nails it.
Whatever poll respondents had said – or been afraid to say – about their intentions because they felt coerced or intimidated by the aggressive tactics of the other camp, [b]when it came to it, they were free to do as they pleased.[/b]
Fortunately.
This is a salutary lesson in the limits of militant political activism: you can bully people in the street, shout them down at public meetings and dissuade them forcibly from displaying posters or banners you don’t like. You can, with the help of your friends and comrades, create what seems to you, inside the bubble of mutual congratulation, to be an unstoppable momentum.But making people afraid to voice contrary opinions just reinforces the delusion into which political tribes so easily fall when they are waging war. And, even more dangerously, it leaves them utterly out of touch with the slow-burning resentment they are creating in the opponents they are so determined to crush. [b]The inviolable privacy of the polling booth puts paid to all that: the ordinary citizen, who may well have had his anger and resolve strengthened under fire, gets his revenge.[/b]
You can try to manipulate, bully, deceive to your hearts content, but you cannot go into the booth. The triumph of democracy indeed.
And the promised devo max all just smoke and mirrors...
Of course. You had your chance and bottled it - welcome back to the status quo.
Former Tory minister John Redwood has warned businesses not to meddle in the politics of the European Union referendum
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/29/john-redwood-warns-businesses-stand-way-eu-exit
This is all very confusing. Is it OK for businesses to have an opinion on issues of the day and say what they think, or not?
This is all very confusing.
Well let me help you. In the first sentence of your link : [i]"in a move greeted with astonishment by his colleagues"[/i].
And also bearing in mind that Redwood looks and acts weird even by Tory standards, I think it would probably be fair not to attach too much importance to what he says.
Here he is singing the Welsh national anthem :
HTH
It's dark humour to see one of the swivel-eyed loonies of the 1990s Tory right threatening to "destabilise corporate governance" and "disrupt business" for their pernicious influence in politics. It's like he's only now picked up on the main arguments of antiglobalisation. By December, he'll be quoting Naomi Klein. By March 2015, it'll be Chomsky, Spiral Tribe and driving to Czech techno festivals in an ex-Royal Mail van. Good luck to him - just twenty years too late.
Your point?
[url= http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/first-group-loses-scotrail-franchise-to-dutch-firm.1412715902 ]First Group has lost the lucrative ScotRail franchise to a Dutch firm.[/url]
[b][i] "It is scandalous that just a few weeks after the referendum, and promises from all quarters that the Scottish people would have an increased say in every aspect of their lives, that the continued privatisation of Scotland's railways has been bulldozed through with the SNP colluding with the political elite in Westminster to deny the opportunity for this franchise to be brought back into public ownership.
There is no question that this whole franchising process could and should have been halted, pending the ratification of the post referendum devolution settlement, instead of rushing headlong into a deal that will deny the Scottish people ownership and control of their railways for many years to come"[/i][/b]
And so it begins....http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-29559618
Good news for people trying to buy cheaper houses and more tax to be paid by rich people buying more expensive houses, sounds pretty good to me?
My point being the SNP firmly have the (no voting) 'middle classes' in their sights and will pay dearly for those no votes. Essentially if you have you have a decent job and want a nice house you will be hammered for tax. God help us when the socialists get (limited) control on income tax.
I hear you Jim but 300k in Aberdeen is nowt. It should have more refined bands rather than >250k =10% duty.
are the french about to take charge?
The Scottish housing market should not be base on what you can buy in Aberdeen.
for the love of christ and all thats holy please mods kill it before it can regenerate KILL IT!
Hence my request for more refined bands. I'm really starting to think Scotland doesn't want people to do well, work hard, get a decent job and contribute when it would be easier to live elsewhere. If the better off do just leave then society will fall to around the lowest common denominator.
its a 10 year contract with a 5 year break clause. Now consider the Tories aren't going to deliver any powers for at least 3 years. What's your, and incidently labours, point?ernie_lynch - Member
First Group has lost the lucrative ScotRail franchise to a Dutch firm."It is scandalous that just a few weeks after the referendum, and promises from all quarters that the Scottish people would have an increased say in every aspect of their lives, that the continued privatisation of Scotland's railways has been bulldozed through with the SNP colluding with the political elite in Westminster to deny the opportunity for this franchise to be brought back into public ownership.
There is no question that this whole franchising process could and should have been halted, pending the ratification of the post referendum devolution settlement, instead of rushing headlong into a deal that will deny the Scottish people ownership and control of their railways for many years to come"
You are basically quoting labour nonsense. Which if you've been watching the Scottish parliament recently has been ****ing hilarious! 😆 why didn't they nationalise the railways when in office? 😆
yip its mental up there, completely unreflective of the rest of the country.Nobeerinthefridge - Member
The Scottish housing market should not be base on what you can buy in Aberdeen.
What's your, and incidently labours, point?You are basically quoting labour nonsense.
I was quoting the RMT general secretary from the Herald link. The RMT isn't even affiliated to Labour. What's their point ? Self explanatory I would have thought. Have another go :
[i]"It is scandalous that just a few weeks after the referendum, and promises from all quarters that the Scottish people would have an increased say in every aspect of their lives, that the continued privatisation of Scotland's railways has been bulldozed through with the SNP colluding with the political elite in Westminster to deny the opportunity for this franchise to be brought back into public ownership.
There is no question that this whole franchising process could and should have been halted, pending the ratification of the post referendum devolution settlement, instead of rushing headlong into a deal that will deny the Scottish people ownership and control of their railways for many years to come"[/i]
why didn't they nationalise the railways when in office?
Ask them. I am not a Labour supporter and would strongly urge people not to vote Labour.
My point being the SNP firmly have the (no voting) 'middle classes' in their sights
is it true that the middle class voted No?
possibly but it's easier to direct the venom at the middle classes and the rich folk, incidentally wasn't there a lot of crowing about how the nasty bastard tories would punish the Scot's for daring to ask and fail?
If you can afford a £300k house then you can afford a bit more tax. Not going to stop you from eating over the weekend, is it?
Meanwhile, lots of other people in the country can't afford to eat properly.
Ernie I was at a meeting last night with an rmt representative there. There question was put to him that it'd be unrealistic for scotrail to be brought in to public ownership within 5 years anyway and he pretty much agreed. So I think we can put the rmt position down to making themselves noticed. This announcement was always due in October its only been brought forward by a few weeks.
If find it laughable that people this is a tax to Burt them middle classes. Houses aren't that expensive up here. This is a progressive tax that will mean the vast majority of people paying less.
Shock shudder that a foreign company might provide a better solution - do we say the say the same thing when Weir (or other Scottish companies with activities overseas) is winning contracts off foreign governments or that many of the rigs in the NS were built by the Franch and Americans. Veiled xenophobia.
The only good stampt dutyis a zero one - let the property market function properly.
The new housing tax is completely sensible
In the current tax system led to some strange anomalies around the £250k mark
Stamp duty on a £250k house is £2500.
Stamp Duty on a £251k house is £7530.
Now in the salubrious air of the English home counties this isn't a big deal as you can't buy a horsebox for less than £250k. But up in Scotland £250k is around the price of nice family home in a nice area so it effects a lot more sales.
So the new housing tax and the way its applies tax marginally makes a lot more sense.
And everyone wins up to £324k
Shock shudder that a foreign company might provide a better solution -
Except Abelia is owned by the nationalised Dutch railways so we have a state run railway, just run by a foreign state. Now if state run railways are such a good thing, why don't we run them ourselves and not subsidise someone else's railways?
And everyone wins up to £324k
....Unless you live in Edinburgh or Aberdeen.
...Unless you live in Edinburgh or Aberdeen.
Why do people in Edinburgh and Aberdeen paying less then £324k have different tax rules to the rest of Scotland?
Now in the salubrious air of the English home counties this isn't a big deal as you can't buy a horsebox for less than £250k. But up in Scotland £250k is around the price of nice family home in a nice area
You do realise there is more to the UK than Scotland and the Home Counties, don't you?
