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Ben, you are trying to debate with somebody who alludes to Scots being racist and tries to foist the Braveheart stereotype on anybody who doesn't embrace the union.
Not racist but there is a long history of intolerance. You still have major sectarian divides.
Going further back, Culloden was more a civil war than a rebellion against the English.
Oh, and having claimed to have lived here starts a thread wondering why we don't like being referred to as Jocks.
Why would I make it up?
@Epicyclo: you mean everything and nothing? Or are you saying there is a fundamental Scottish identity that needs independence in order to be fulfilled?
Jambalaya We all paid tax to the UK government. Further to that if we take our per centage of the debt,and there is a strong moral argument that we should, then we take our share of any assets. A currency may or may not be an asset but buildings etc have an easily established monetary value.
I think you need to get out more if you think there are major cultural differences between Scotland and the rest of mainland Britain. I've spent many years living in Wales, Scotland and England and at times it's really hard to tell the difference. Go visit France or Spain or Germany and it is clear there is a major cultural difference between them and us.
God this whole thing is getting depressing and we have another 6 months of this cr*p left.
In fact, what material difference is there between someone from Glasgow and someone from Manchester?
About the same as between someone living in London and someone in Paris.
Which is not a lot.
Glasgow and Manchester
Same currency, language, climate, passports, TV and Radio broadcasters,tax rates, I could go on....
Similar sized cities.
The major difference is Manchester has a much more diverse population than Glasgow.
winston_dog - Member
...Why do you think that shower in Holyrood will be any better than the shower we have in Westminster?...
1. Because there will be no unelected upper house with the ability to over-rule the elected house. It's not democracy when you have overlords, just the illusion of it.
2. The current setup is biased towards the needs of SE England. Rightly so, because that's where the bulk of the population is.
I can't think of any reason to not want to live in a democracy.
The [s]current[/s]new setup is biased towards the needs of [s]SE England.[/s] the Central Belt Rightly so, because that's where the bulk of the population is.
FTFY.
So you will be looking at Independence for the Highlands and Islands in a few years?
Why do you think that shower in Holyrood will be any better than the shower we have in Westminster?
Because they don't have to cater to the voters in the SE of England for one? Despite there still being discrepancies between differing parts of Scotland (central belt vs Aberdeen vs highlands/islands/lowlands) I reckon they'll do a better job and the parliament should be more representative.
I'd also argue that in my experience the Scots are a more leftward leaning bunch, sure a Scottish conservative party might rise after independence, it might not, but again it will be representative of how the Scottish as a whole voted, not determined by a few key swing constituencies in England.
dragon - Member
I think you need to get out more if you think there are major cultural differences between Scotland and the rest of mainland Britain.
Ruais
I just googled 'Ruais'. I'm confused
Ruais
What? A French Filipino Beauty Queen?
Where does she stand on the Yes/No question?
I just googled 'Ruais'. I'm confused
Me too. Eh?
Maybe it's a cultural reference that Scotland wants to win the next Miss World contest but that it isn't televised by the BBC but will be by SBC? 🙂
Tha thu ceart gu leor Epiccyclo ach chan eil canan nan gaidheal air STW
He said nonsense.
Maybe it's a cultural reference that Scotland wants to win the next Miss World contest but that it isn't televised by the BBC but will be by SBC?
I assume in a grand statement of cultural heritage the Scottish representative will be eschewing the usual fake tan in favour of second degree sunburn for the swimsuit round?
Tha thu ceart gu leor Epiccyclo ach chan eil canan nan gaidheal air STWHe said nonsense.
Not according to an online Gaelic dictionary he didn't.
I assume the other sentence is highlighting the ignorance on STW?
Isn't there only about 1% of the Scots actually speak Gaelic?
Right 🙂
Ruais, t. m. (Ir. id.) A clown ; a sluggish, stupid fellow ; a noisy fellow. N. pl. ruaisean. Ruaisealachd, &. f. Clownishness ; disorderliness. Ruaiseil, a. (ruais-amhuil ...
Minor regional differences there maybe int eh UK but not big cultural ones. From where I'm sitting right now I can see 6 Scots, 2 Malaysians, 1 English, 1 Slovakian and 1 Hungarian. It's pretty easy to tell the difference between non-UK and UK folks cultures.
I reckon they'll do a better job and the parliament should be more representative.
Well, they certainly seem to have gone a long way in demonstrating a well founded basis for that faith of yours, what with Holyrood and then the Trams, the M74 extension...
I am more confused now.
Did he call him a clown or say he was talking nonsense?
Interesting conversation but time for me to waste time on other threads, perhaps even some on mountain bikes.
Well, they certainly seem to have gone a long way in demonstrating a well founded basis for that faith of yours, what with Holyrood and then the Trams, the M74 extension...
Listing governmental and council led contract cockups isn't a great way to win the argument. I'm sure it wouldn't take me long to list the project failures of Westminster.
Listing governmental and council led contract cockups isn't a great way to win the argument.
That isn't the point of highlighting the failures.
It is a way of highlighting that you are simply replacing like with like at great expense.
It is a way of highlighting that you are simply replacing like with like at great expense.
It doesnt prove anything, your right. No one can know for sure what future politicians will be like, but I'd still rather that the ones making the decisions were elected fully by Scottish voters.
It's sounding like the same old 'well it wont be any better, so you better just just vote for the status quo' type arguments now.
There are also two of the English posters on here,one is claiming that Scots are culturally different and another claiming they aren't.... 😀
[quote=bencooper ]Fixed that for you
You don't want Waterloo Road or Question Time, then?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_television_programmes_produced_by_BBC_Scotland
I can see your point about Mrs Brown's Boys - I doubt the SBC could give that away...
Sorry I'm rather late on this, but somewhat disappointed that nobody else bothered to read Ben's link to find that QT isn't actually produced by BBC Scotland. So it seems what we stand to lose is actually Waterloo Road and Mrs Brown's Boys - I suspect many will agree with me that seems a reasonable trade 😉
Wikipedia in "not entirely accurate" shocker 😉
http://www.theguardian.com/media/2009/mar/24/newsnight-review-revamp
Nonsense or clown either one makes the same point.
Winston my other sentence says "You are right enough Epiccyclo but there is no language of the gael on STW. My point being that a translation of epiccyclo s post was needed. Although his point is well made, Scotland has two languages of its own plus English.
I could have used the word ghaidhlig but decided to use the phrase canan nan gaidheal as it is a well known gaelic song which is about fighting {successfully}against loss of language and culture
[quote=bencooper ]I think the people of a country should be governed by a government elected by the people of that country.
Yet you want to belong to the EU? 😯
Well known by the standards of gaelic songs anyway 🙂
Yet you want to belong to the EU?
Oh good grief. Yes. I want I live in a country that's part of an international community, with international treaties and obligations.
Like, oh, every other country on the planet.
North Korea?
[quote=bencooper ]Yes. I want I live in a country that's part of an [s]international community[/s] undemocratic federal union
Scotland has two languages of its own plus English.
That's very debatable.
To try and claim "Scots" is a language rather than just a dialect is like saying "Geordie" is a language.
fighting {successfully}against loss of language and culture
1% doesn't sound very successful to me.
Languages evoke, change and often die. Why not resurrect Pictish as this was once the primary language in Scotland?
Given the strenuous and persistent efforts to eradicate gaelic,kilts, bagpipes,fiddles and anything else that was seen as Highland it seems to me a remarkable success that aspects of "Highland" culture are once again very well integrated and valued throughout Scotland.
News just in......
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LHS - Member
News just in......Alex Salmond claims he has every right to use gym he’s no longer member of.
Salmond in a gym? 🙂
"Highland" culture are once again very well integrated and valued
I thought it was Sir Walter Scott that did that and the current image of the "Highland" culture is a very romanticised. Besides, it has nothing to do with the vast majority who are Lowlanders.
From Wiki:
The Lowlands (Scots: the Lallans or the Lawlands; Scottish Gaelic: a' Ghalldachd, [b]"the place of the foreigner"[/b]) are a historic region of Scotland.
My point is not about the tartan and shortbread image, but rather about language music and culture. I know that lots of people enjoy Scotts novels -I am not one of them. Not many Scots subscribe to the image of the country that Scott created, that is much more popular outside of Scotland than it is here. Ghalltachd refers to the lowlands yes but it means the place where they speak the foreign language {English} rather than place of the foreigners. Gaelic was originally the language of most of Scotland except the far north and the lothians. You only have to look at the place names.
Ooh, that pesky Wikipedia again - actually a more accurate translation of a'Ghalldachd is the non-Gaelic-speaking lands. But whatever - Gaelic might not be the prime language of many, but Gaelic words and especially place names are common. Scots words even more so.
you only have to look at the place names
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language music and culture
But thats a very arbitrary and selective slice of Scottish Culture - it certainly doesn't reflect the historic culture of the debatable lands and Reivers country.
Ghalltachd refers to the lowlands yes but it means the place where they speak the foreign language {English} rather than place of the foreigners.
If they weren't a separate ethic group/race/culture (choose whichever you prefer), why did they speak a completely different language?
It can easily be argued that the Central Belt had much more in common culturally with England, than with the Highlands. Right up until the 1700's the Highlands were considered a wild place and nobody ventured there. The society was still tribal.
They were ethnically cleansed in the Clearances, this wasn't done by just the English but their fellow Scots helped as well.
There is no common Scottish culture.
LHS - That's Scandinavian nothing to do with the Scots.