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He's not even offering that Ben - only to stop paying for them. They will still be there under don't ask, don't tell -
See no evil, hear no evil, talk no evil...
And he opens up normally with the claim that Scotland will be free to make its own economic decisions while at the same time delegating responsibility for major economic decisions to a foreign country. You couldn't make it up - well actually make it up is about right.
Still will be interesting to see if he holds a sober,, statesman-like persona for the full 2 hours!!
commonwealth closing ceremony??
🙂
JY I didn't watch that either, not even for Kylie.
only to stop paying for them
I don't know about the rest of the country, but I for one would be pretty happy with that.
I would agree on that too!!
For a wee giggle
The trouble with the West Wing is it makes all real politicians look like morons 😉
Many real politicians are morons
WRT the trident/faslane thing, again:
bencooper - Member
The problem is that there really isn't anywhere else Trident can sensibly go in the UK....
The only disposable population in the UK is in Scotland it appears....
I think devonport would be quite happy to take them. They did used to service nuke subs there in the past, and frankly plymouth is on it's ar5e financially, so a few thousand jobs thrown at them for the ( let's be honest ) very minimal risk of disaster, is a win for everyone.
trident/faslane - the submarines are there as geograhically it gives easy access out into the North Atlantic and in particular North Eastwards. The water gets deep quickly and allows the subs to go evade detection, as much as is possible these days anyway. The location has nothing to do with the fact that it's Scottish vs English or Welsh "at risk". That's all a Red Herring. I don't really think AS gives a hoot about the nuclear aspect, its just political expediency to say he doesn't want them. He's hardly "green" as he is 100% behind the oil industry, understandably so.
Many real politicians are morons.
"And we keep picking them again and again"
Pete Seeger
Well, independence gets off to a good start as the STV viewer goes into meltdown...
Yeh, still down.
I don't have STV on't telly either.
Every cloud has a silver lining.
Salmond is wiping the floor with Darling.
The brief few seconds I saw just looked like rhetoric from both.
Players gone again anyway. I blame MI6.
STV viewer still not working for me, anyone else?
up and down here
So far the best line of the night is a Michael McIntyre joke!
We'll, Big Eck asked about Space Invaders and driving on the other side of the road.
You ain't missing much.
If I here "best of both worlds" one more ******* time I'm heading down there to offer some extreme verbal abuse
Range of options... What's best for Scotland...
Do you think Scotland can....
It's like rhetoric bingo...what little STV has let me see.
IMO Salmond is doing more damage to the yes vote than Darlings responses.
Dunno, I reckon Darling is gonna crack
Ouch, the audience is turning on Salmond now, the yes voters are heckling the audience questions now, oh dear.
It is a bit of a mess. Reckon Salmond is doing a bit better. Like the socialist yes voter in the audience that wonders why Scotland should continue to subsidise the rUK. RUK obviously not her people. Tell that to the next Stevenage diabetic.
Salmond looked very uncomfortable when the old business chap with glasses told him off, he looked like a petulant child.
If I here "best of both worlds" one more ******* time I'm heading down there to offer some extreme verbal abuse
That's it, he said it again. I coming for you Darling.
Poor debate tbh. As a yes supporter I'm calling that a draw.
Yeah, a no score draw I think - neither of them did spectacularly well.
Many real politicians are morons
And going by that audience so are many members of the public 😉
Seosamh. I almost agree with you. Thought Salmond edged it but the quality of the debate was poor. It there one on the BBC?
Yes, BBC one in a couple of weeks I think.
The disappointment gauge is running at moderate high levels.
Still, in other news the Girlfriend has today landed a promotion. So that was quite good.
maybe but I think salmond unwillingness to spell out the other currency options(which are there) is detrimental. I understand why he doesn't do it. (The debate would decent into talking about the pros and cons of the other options. So the stoney face responce is more preferable. And just take the the hit on that.)athgray - Member
Seosamh. I almost agree with you. Thought Salmond edged it but the quality
Yes, he was trying to make an academic point (that the currency commission made several suggestions, a currency union is the preferred one) but academic points don't work well in debate.
[url= http://jezebel.com/female-runner-who-uses-nike-to-draw-dicks-is-an-americ-1616462580 ]I think this adds to the debate [/url]
I loved the guy in the audience who said something along the lines of the rUK will have to have a currency union because without oil money helping the balance of payments the pound would be doomed.
I never realised we were too poor to go it alone. Are we too wee and too stupid as well. Don't nats complain about this one? 🙄
I think you may have just proved that their are idiots on both sides of the debate
Missed it all but then again Tuesday is night ride and i thought it was not worth giving up for what was a fairly predictable "debate"
The issue is how the dont knows respond in the closing days.
Salmond squirming on currency was as good as it got as a no voter. Darling was too easily rattled.
If I was Salmond I would have outlined the other options, and I reckon it would not have done him much harm.
Darling did not give a straight answer on whether an independent Scotland would be successful going it alone. Salmond did not give a straight answer on currency again. There is enough information available for Scots to know that they would have a successful economy it is a bit of a shame that they still don't know what currency they would be using.
bad night for Salmond
Just got in, did I miss owt!?!
Did the master politician with all his rhetorical skills mash the rabbit?
What was the DOs magic rabbit, did he mention plan D - he must have answered the currency question at least.
Was a bit shite, same old lines trotted out from both sides. Both had a shaky start. The way Darling kept pronouncing Scotland got on my tits. Thought Salmond just had the edge, but seen a lot better from others on either sides.
I think Cameron could have turned up and done no worse. Here, here rene59.
Blimey the ICM poll even has the DO losing a debate v a rabbit. Surely not!?!?
And no plan D, no wonder he was booed! The mirage exposed?
you mean the debate poll showed the outcome to be the same as the voting intentions. Who would have thunk it
FWIW it was
The poll recorded a 4% increase in backing for independence, putting the yes vote at 40% compared to 54% for no
Vote revealed before the vote [ you forgot to mention that one for some reason 😉 ]
An instant ICM poll of viewers for the Guardian said Darling had won the debate by 56% to 44%.
So not much changed but momentuum with yes but still unlikely to be enough to win it.
I think we both made the right decision to ride tbh
"Blimey the ICM poll even has the DO losing a debate v a rabbit. Surely not!?!?
And no plan D, no wonder he was booed! The mirage exposed?"
I hope one day we find a Rosetta Stone that can decode this dense web of nicknames, puns and allusions. there must surely be great wisdom handed down from our elders within it.