[Closed] one week till a tory majority

when they've been in too long they need booting out to reset them

Ever heard of the phrase, if it ain't broke don't fix it?

The tories got booted out because they completly brought the UK to its knees.

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Thing is, if after 13yrs of a Labour Govt the Conservatives cannot gain a Parliamentary majority where does it leave them?

In the same place Labour were 1992?

I'll actually weep if that smarmy tory c**t is grinning outside the door of No10 on 7th May.
You just know that behind the scenes the people who really run the Tory party are absolutely itching to get stuck in with the slash n burn of the public sector. Safe as they are with their huge pensions, private healthcare, kids in private education etc. If the proles don't have this, then **** em. Unlucky eh?

And on the economy..... I wouldn't trust George Osbourne to run a ****ing bath. Never mind the countries economy

Couldn't agree more Binners.

It's like turkeys voting for Christmas.

The tories got booted out because they completly brought the UK to its knees.

Short memories around here.

At the time the economy was actually doing OK, but there was a deadly mixture of sleazy politicians and internecine warfare over Europe.

PeterPoddy - Member

Well, you've gotta be a fekking deranged lunatic to vote Labour.....

Mine's the straightjacket with the union flag on it, ta...

i wasnt sure about who i hated the least, but that smarmy PR!CK cameron has turned me well away from those double barreled tools.

"none of the [tossers] above" for me

Well, you've gotta be a fekking deranged lunatic to vote Labour.....

I actually can't vote Labour here. It turns out that our Labour candidate used to be with the Lib Dems, but was kicked out. Unsuitable suggestions to the ladies, or something like that.

So now he's been deselected by the Labour party as well, but it's all a bit late.

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From my views, without being coloured by distant history:
Labout have had plenty of time to introduce some of the ideas they have presented this month, why have they not got stuck in earlier? Forced to do it now election time is here? Semi-safe vote, if you're happy with how things are currently.
Lib Dems - some interesting ideas, but some barking ones. Risky vote.
Conservatives - Some useful ideas and good values, but how will they affect the economy, not sure. semi-safe vote if you want a little change.

Swings and roundabouts, I like the vast majority of the public, don't have the background in economics to follow the slightly finer details and how they affect the future, and in fact if anyone knew them for sure there would be only one route out. While I can understand the comfort in assessing things based on past events and performance, I'm not sure that it applies to the current position and economic situation, or that the policies put forward by any of them is even broadly similar to historic policies.

molgrips - Member

Just to re-iterate, Labour didn't create the mess, nor did they make it worse - they made it better. At least, GB and Darling did I reckon.

😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

Global recession you say? Well, yes there is, but it's not solely a global recession that has left our financial cupboard bare. GB is a walking disaster and I still believe him to be the worst chancelor we have ever had. How anyone with even half a brain can walk into office and claim that he will end boom and bust. Right. Detached from reality! Deluded about his own ability and capabilities.

As was mentioned up there ^^ the last Tory government weren't thrown outr because a wrecked economy it was largey the result of the political sleaze and the fact that multi term governments end up getting stale and complacent. The economy was in pretty good shape in 97. So much so that Nulab kept the current spending plans in place to avoid destabilising the growth and strength of the economy. GB was then the luckiest chancelor in history by living in a time of unprecedented growth and stability so all his little plans and schemes and tinkering and spending could go pretty much unnoticed. Then, when things did start to go a bit pear shaped, we suddenly discover that we are in a pretty dire position. I don't buy any of his "I'm the man that steered us out of the mess" because #1 we are not out of the mess yet, #2 he was culpable in putting us in the mess in the first place.
Truth be told, I'm not sure I could trust any of our current crop of politicians to really deliver us out of the mire of debt and make significant improvements to our society. However, I do know that I do not want any more of GB so I for one hope he is gone come May 7th.

Gordon Brown has been the economic saviour of this country (possibly the world) and he knows it.

mt - I really, really hope you are being facetious.

I believe mt has tongue well and truly in cheek 😉

Gordon Brown has been the economic saviour of this country (possibly the world) and he knows it.

Well, I wouldn't go that far 😆 😉 and he wasn't exactly on the ball on the run up to the crash, but he did stop the economy sliding into depression. You tory half-wits do bleat on about the debt, but don't say a lot about how that money was used to save the banks. In fact I don't recall Cameron in his election campaign saying it was wrong to do so either.

Why is that eh?

I hope mt is taking the wee. Because reading some of the other posts on here, some folk really do seem to believe that.

Scary.

[i]You tory half-wits [/i] So if you think GB is an idiot, you are a Tory half wit?

It's a black and white world in the desperate Labour camp. Oops, I said black and white, does that make me a bigot?

Look we have a massive national debt all down to Gordon. The guy deserves some credit for his hard work in getting it so high. The least we can do is thank him and vote him back as PM. His record is second to none as a person who understand finance and the world economy. He could have been the boss at the IMF but instead he chose to stay here and become the PM, a job that he did not ask for but was thrust on him reluctantly. Show him some respect.

Call me cynical if you like but I'm old enough to recall the 3 day week, the miners strikes, the share sell off etc and have now come to the conclusion that they are all as bad as each other in most ways and that which ever party gets in there are only 2 facts which stick .

1/ Tax will rise.
2/ Death comes to us all.

I reckon that for the vast majority of folks where I work ( and probably STWers ) the result will not make a huge differance to our lives.

If Labour are in power the few really poor of the country benefit in a good way, and a larger number of lower paid think they have had benefit ( help ) due to spin and propaganda but if you look closely nothing much changes.

If the Tories are in power then the equally small number of really wealthy see a benefit and as above a larger number of better paid folk think they see a benefit but again if they look more closely there is actually very little or no change.

There is a time in the lifespan of everything when change is naturally due and I really think that time has come in British politics so I'll be hoping for a very large number of Lib Dem MPs this session so we have a chance to break the 2 party cycle.

We may then get to a system where an idea is not opposed purely because the 'other' lot brought it up, there would have to be proper grown up discussion about what is actually best for the country ... now there's a novel idea 😉

Bullseye

The whole bloody world was drawn into a cycle of over borrowing paid for by returns on investments based on lending to people (and governments) that had borrowed more than they should have been allowed to. Seems obvious now with hindsight but a hell of a lot of people, including most of us, have in one way or another been riding that wave. It cannot be laid at Gordon Brown's door as solely his fault. Ok, he didn't spot it any earlier than anyone else but I don't have any confidence that Osbourne or Cameron would have either.

Since then I'm fairly happy that Brown and Darling have made the best of a bad job. As has been pointed out, if we had gone with the suggestions Osbourne was making we'd be truly ****ed now.

Seems obvious now with hindsight but a hell of a lot of people, including most of us, have in one way or another been riding that wave. It cannot be laid at Gordon Brown's door as solely his fault.

He's a politician. I wouldn't expect any politician to upset the applecart of the voters before the trouble hit, because they would have been voted out of power by doing so. The voters or the british public tend to forget that they were also complicit in this.

Swings and roundabouts, I like the vast majority of the public, don't have the background in economics to follow the slightly finer details and how they affect the future, and in fact if anyone knew them for sure there would be only one route out.

Our economics lecturer once showed us a graph of UK GDP over the past 50 years or so. Despite having tried pretty much every economic policy going, including some fairly deranged ones (price and measures in the 70s), there's an overall trend of growth.

just like call me dave all the tory boys on here have no answer to

the question of why dc and osborne didt want to bail out teh banks?

come on tory boys?

You tory half-wits So if you think GB is an idiot, you are a Tory half wit?

Only tory boys would regard Brown as an idiot while looking through rose tinted spectacles at their "finest" politicians.

It's a black and white world in the desperate Labour camp. Oops, I said black and white, does that make me a bigot?

Well I'd put you down as a bnp voter then. 😉

GB's constant "The Tories and Lib Dems will steel your Tax Credits" line really got on my tits last night.

Neither were saying that, they were just saying why should someone on a high incomes even qualify to Tax Credits in the first place.

Sorry but if you believe that Gordon Brown created the financial crisis than you're an idiot.

Also, everyone should read this article Junkyard posted the other day

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7733794.stm

Mind you it will probably be too much effort for those who get their information from reading the tabloid headlines in the supermarket.

Here's a little graph for you

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economy. GB was then the luckiest chancellor in history by living in a time of unprecedented growth and stability so all his little plans and schemes and tinkering and spending could go pretty much unnoticed. Then, when things did start to go a bit pear shaped, we suddenly discover that we are in a pretty dire position.

I pretty much agree with this but I still think the Tories plans of not bailing out the banks and drastically cutting back spending as soon as possible would have made things much much worse. And still could if they cut spending while trying to offer tax cuts (to the rich and richer) stalling the growth of the country out of recession.

Although it would appear the GB clearly has made alot of mistakes listening to him last night I still think he has the best plans to get the country out of recession with the least pain involved for everyone in the country.

Yes im sure the tories economic plans will also see the economy growing again and will make sure our credit rating is safe but they wont care what pain they'll have to put the country through to achieve this.

GB's constant "The Tories and Lib Dems will steel your Tax Credits" line really got on my tits last night.

And DC's "Job Tax". No it's not, you twunt.

Because Labour did?

StottChegg and Fatboyslo make valid points. I think at present I may vote purely based on one of the two main parties (and the BNP) not getting in.

3 party politics would be interesting and I don't believe they would be any worse than any of the previous lot.

Oh and the Labour supporters on here do seem to be getting very aggressive towards the other parties. It's interesting because it's the same vibe I'm getting from Brown.

scu98rkr...and the country is not feeling pain now??

Fact is wreckless borrowing is and has always been Labours way. Granted our infrastructure is better under Labour, but at what cost?

I would love to employ people in my house to cook, clean, wash, nanny etc in fact all the jobs I cant always do. But I cant, because i cant afford to employ all those people.

Same goes for the country. We cant afford to employ all these people in our public sector. We cant afford to build new schools and hospitals forevermore. It is out of control and needs to stop before we can make real progress. These choices were GB's and Labours no one elses. The worldwide economic crisis has not only given Labour an excuse, but has helped it snowball massively.

Last post from me on this. Blue for me.

I don't understand why you are all getting so wound up about if GB will still be PM after the 6th. Everyone can see his talent is to know what to do under pressure, who but him could handle public sector pensions, PFI costs, the national debt and to top it saving the banks. The man is a hero a political hero for a generation to come. Can't think of a bad move he has made. Apart from a recent visit to Rochdale and scraping a helicopter budget way back.

Here's a little graph for you

Best to use up-to-date figures. Here's another little graph for you, which may illustrate the problem somewhat better:

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Spot the trend?

At the time the economy was actually doing OK, but there was a deadly mixture of sleazy politicians and internecine warfare over Europe.

1997 is also just after the turnaround of a crime wave that started in 1981. It has fallen every year since and is now at a 30 year low. Anyone ready for the next Tory crime wave?

(there was no war in Europe in 1997. Bosnian War ended in 1995)

Same goes for the country. We cant afford to employ all these people in our public sector. We cant afford to build new schools and hospitals forevermore. It is out of control and needs to stop before we can make real progress.

So you think that not building new hospitals or schools is progress? You've already mentioned you can't afford servants so you're not wealthy as such, then you would rely more on the infrastructure that has been built.

Blue for you? They deserve you.

If you think Cameron would be good for the economy, who was Lamont's special advisor?

I'd love to know which country some of the people who commented on GB's sterling work as Chancellor and as PM have been living for the last few years.

Labour have made the public service fat, lazy and greedy as they always do.
Sadly the growth in numbers hasn't been in front line personnel eg police officers, firemen, nurses, teachers etc. It has been through the exponential growth in the numbers of people employed by unelected quangos with no accountability and large salaries for delivering little of benefit. The sooner they all get removed, the sooner the country can reduce it's deficit and control it's wild spending.

I would vote for any party who I thought would remove these pointless bureaucrats and pen pushers.

I got a phone call at work recently from the local Labour council who had been given a large amount money to help local businesses. They were canvassing views on using the money to employ a 'small business advisor' based on our industrial estate. This would be replicated across the county. I pointed out we already had two council employed 'business advisors' in the council run business centre 50m away and no-one on the industrial estate knew what they did so why did we need someone else to do nothing with them. No doubt the 'business advisor' would be yet another public servant who's never worked in 'business' with no credentials to advise anyone. Rant over.

Conservatives love their Quangos too you know. We need STV to make our elections more representative so there are more voices in the commons, we also need a fully elected and secular upper house.

scu98rkr...and the country is not feeling pain now??

Not as much as it could be. In comparison to previous recessions the country feels like its absolutely bustling. Im from the midlands and last time I remember a really quite dead feeling in the town with many many shops closing and whole sections of the high street closing.

This has nt happened this time at least in the areas I live suggesting to me its not as bad. Also during the recession there dont seem to have been massive lay-offs . Most company's seem to have coped through voluntary redundancies and moving people to part time work most of my friends seem to have kept their jobs. Although obviously people have lost there jobs.

My younger cousins however are struggling to get work. So the main issue I can see is that youth unemployment has grown massively but obviously if an economy is not growing where are jobs for young people going to come from ?

And in some ways the figures for youth unemployment look bad as a percentage because older workers have just managed to keep their jobs. Rather than previous recessions where sons daughters fathers and mothers were losing jobs together.

We don't need any changes other than GB as PM. The number of jobs he has created since 97 is testiment to his understanding of what the country requires and what it actually needs. It's right that he must stay in charge so he can drag out the solution as long as possible.

neninja - The country of which you speak is the same one that Polly Toynbee writes about in the Guardian every week. It sounds like an idylic place. St Gordon has saved the world. We all live in unrivaled prosperity. And all is rosy in the Garden.

It makes me shudder at the thought of the Tories in power again. But your right about the Quangos. Cameron says he'll abolish regional Development agencies. Good on him. They're worse than ****ing useless.

I went to a recent NWRDA event. It was to launch Creative Credits. a £6 million scheme to boost the creative industries in the North West. It was held in the uber-expensive Lowry Hotel. There was lots of wine and canapes. And the usual stuffed Quango suits (doubtless on obscenely enormous salaries) and 'consultants' spouting utter and complete drivel. They were collectively clueless as to what was actually going on We walked out in utter despair. If thats what the government thought would rescue business then god help this countries economy.

I'm sure the £6 million is long gone. We know of not one single company who has actually benefitted from a single penny of it (though we know plenty who applied). We know plenty who have subsequently gone bust though. Ourselves included.

The sooner this bloody ridiculous useless gravy train gets chopped the better. Or we really are all totallly ****ed!!!!!!!

We know of not one single company who has actually benefitted from a single penny of it

Konabunny. I acknowledge the good the labour party has done. But theres a lot of utterly wrong-headed nonsense that tips the balance the other way.

This ridiculous dependence on consultants. Its like the thrall they've been held in by the bankers. Its ridiculous. The whole culture is completely out of control. It was just-about sufferable when we thought we could afford it. But in the present climate it just looks obscene. Spending tax-payers money on wine and canapes in posh hotels while the companies (shall we call them 'little people') they are supposed to help, go to the wall? The phrase 'fiddling while Rome burns' sums the whole thing up

This is about a whole strata of society that seems to believe that to staff these well-paid but effectively useless talking-shops is their entitlement.

neninja you are wrong labour has massively increased the number of nurses and vastly improved the nhs

but the quango culture has to go, they have been influenced by the city boys and thats why labour too has to go

i just think the tory will be much much worse

who 1st deregulated the banks
who 1st created pension holidays
who 1st placed the financial services economy above all else
who took us into the eec, (yet it was brown who insisted we stay out of the euro)

labour have been following the economic template set by the torries,
cameron proposes nothing different financialy
so we will still be at the mercy of the boom and bust cycle
the only difference is that public services will be decimated while the very rich get tax breaks

but if you are enough of a sheep to believe what you read in the press then go ahead vote freshly ****ed penis and see how nothing changes (unless you are already very very wealthy- in which case be prepared to get even richer)