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Widnes and Runcorn had a similar “tradition”
Always competitive as to which could pump out the most toxic chemical stench too
I live in a Pennine village that is literally a 5 min drive to the next village only between us we have a watershed and what is (now) the Yorks/Greater Manc border. The difference in accents is astounding, literally darkest W. Yorkshire vs quite a broad Owdham / Lancashire accent. Ironic given that 50 years again it was all W. Yorks and officially still is the W. riding.
It’s ok, southerners are doing their bit to keep it alive, in words such as ‘bath’<br />And when they mow their grarrrse <br /><br />
It’s for this reason, plus so many incomers into the West Country that the rhotic ‘r’ is disappearing - actual locals get really pissed off with assholes constantly making Wurzels comments. 😖
As part of the Yorkshire Ripper enquiry they had a analysis of the Wearside Jack hoax tapes done and narrowed it down to a small part of Sunderland. Enough to interview a few thousand blokes.
That's how local accents can be.
I've always considered the 'clientele' of STW to be a bit intercity if you know what I mean. More rundown urban landscape should my feelings be known on the matter.
The map also misses "morning roll" as we get in Edinburgh. I have never seen evening rolls on sale ( but I seem to remember they are a crusty roll?) Its never just a "roll" - its always a "morning roll"
Having been bought up as a forces brat I don't have an accent, or if I do its something approaching RP I guess. The only time I picked up any accent at all was when we were stationed in Lossiemouth, I fell in with a wee bunch of naer-do-wells and scallywags and was soon speaking like them as well. My mum was horrified.
I'm Indian born, Lincolnshire, Cambridgeshire and Cumbria as a child, Liverpool for Uni, south Scotland, Sheffield and Central Scotland since then.
I've no idea of what accent I have, or how my pronunciation and accent goes apart from 'not southern'....
As a Darrener myself (yes this is a test to see who knows what that means) I think the way we pronounce the R in words is possibly stronger than Blackburn folk.
Also as someone who works in Burnley, I can confidently say both Burnley and Blackburn are equal levels of shithole 😄
also Buzzes rather than Buses
All of my extended Brummie family say this too.
As a Darrener myself (yes this is a test to see who knows what that means)
OK I'll have a go. Are you from Darwen?
As a Darrener myself (yes this is a test to see who knows what that means) I think the way we pronounce the R in words is possibly stronger than Blackburn folk
It most definitely is. Mrs Binners lived in Darren when I met her. I was baffled by the whole West Country ‘rrrr’ thing as I’d never really heard it before
'Appen it is. Reet.
I've asked for it to be reopened.
Indeed, deepest darkest East Lancashire scum town of Darwen.
I lived in Sheffield for a few years whilst at uni and regularly got called farmer by the southerners.
My other half is from Burnley and we like to mock each others accents.
It’s ok, southerners are doing their bit to keep it alive, in words such as ‘bath’
It's "shower", baths are for dirty northerners 🙂
Not a Northern thing, a very specific East Lancs thing. A bloke I knew from over therrr pronounced an iPad an Ar-pad. Woulda caused Apple brandists a cardiac arrest.
My other half is from Burnley and we like to mock each others accents.
@keefezza - if a bloke from Darren and a woman from Burnley can have a harmonious marriage, do you both fancy having a crack as a negotiator with this whole Israel/Palestine thing? You'd get it sorted on no time
It helps that neither of us really care about football to be fair, as that seems to be the only reason for rivalry 😄
sad to see that some regional accents are in decline in the younger generations
Agreed. Kids have better career and life prospects without them though, so it's no surprise that people (few I know) are teaching theirs to speak with a less pronounced accent.
So what area does the woman that was on I'm a Celebrity come from, she's on day time TV I think?
I can't decide if it's West country or east Anglia.
Don't stone me!
I'm born and bred in Nelson and back in the day could easily distinguish between if someone was from Burnley or Colne (about 3 miles away in opposite directions).
Don't get me started on Barnoldswick...!😅😅
Brizzle mate, gert proper bird like
Ah!👍
I’m also a Darrener (not from birth though). We moved here from Bolton when we got married and I have to say that people are starting to accept us and talk to us a bit now. We celebrated our 35th anniversary in November… 😉
I might ask my Blackburn mates if this ‘rrr’ thing affects words like ‘Rovers’, ‘manager’, ‘rubbish’, ‘relegation’ and ‘fodder’…
"A bloke I knew from over therrr pronounced an iPad an Ar-pad. Woulda caused Apple brandists a cardiac arrest."
Oh, PLEASE make this real.
Reet. I'm off to catch my buzz tshop tget barm cakes for mi dinner.
(From the superior, left hand side of the Pennines).
And for them darn sarf, PLEASE note that what comes out of a tap is waTer, not waaaw-arrr. the letter
The first time I met my late father in law I could barely understand him. He was born and lived all his life in a small suburb between Sheffield and Rotherham (not far from Orgreave for those that remember it), about 10 miles from where I was born and brought up.
I could barely understand my grandad and he came from the same Darwen I came from 🤣
He had the proper local dialect which he could switch on/off at any moment, and used that often to wind people up. Top fella.
@MrSparkle I think the word relegation might be more apt for our Burnley neighbours!
Also I think locals would never class you as a Darrener, especially coming from Bolton 😄
I find the subject of local identity fascinating. As someone born in the East End, I'm technically possibly a 'Cockney' (depending on which 'Bow Bells' you choose for the purpose of the definition). However, this is a cultural identity that I do not personally identify with, largely because of my own roots. As to the accent itself; it is largely a thing of the past, and very few people who actually live in the East End still speak it really. As I was growing up, the accent was changing anyway as the influx of various migrant groups, particularly West Indians and Bangladeshis, saw the dialect morph into a new form. Social media is awash with various characters reminiscing about bygone times, and lamenting the loss of the Cockney identity. But this is almost always from people who aren't actually born in the EastEnd; most are the descendants of people who moved out into Essex and other home counties, the 'White Flight'. The 'Cockney' accent was fading when I was a very small child. That itself was influenced by various other migrant communities; particularly the Jewish migrants who settled in the East End. Words like 'shmutter', 'shmooze', 'glitch', 'nosh' and 'schtum' are all Yiddish words which were assimilated into the local vernacular. There's also Irish, Chinese and French influences of course. But sadly, some of those who talk of their 'proud Cockney' heritage talk also of a distorted, revisionist ideal of the East End that is more down to mythology and folklore than reality. So you end up with bullshit about the Krays and Guy Ritchie movies that overshadow the real, far more interesting history of the area. I've been told that I'm not a 'proper' East Ender by someone born and living in Essex, as though half a century of experience of a place counts for nothing. There is often a racist undertone to such rhetoric, and you get idiots claiming 'nobody speaks English anymore' and such rubbish. But places and language evolve, and nothing is ever set in stone forever. And now, we see people claiming to be 'true Cockneys' actually speaking what is now recognised as 'Estuary English'. As for myself; it's kind of poignant now that I don't even hear the accent I grew up with, so much. And when I do, it's often spoken by middle aged black and brown folk like myself.
Come gather 'round people
Wherever you roam
And admit that the waters
Around you have grown
And accept it that soon
You'll be drenched to the bone
If your time to you is worth savin'
And you better start swimmin'
Or you'll sink like a stone
For the times they are a-changin'
Dialects and unique local lingo have been fading out for a very long time. As a little kid in the early 60s in W Yorkshire village I could hardly make any sense of what the old folk were saying, they almost seemed to be speaking a foreign language.
Agreed. Kids have better career and life prospects without them though, so it’s no surprise that people (few I know) are teaching theirs to speak with a less pronounced accent.
Which is just ****ing sad if I'm honest.
Maybe they should focus on teaching their kids how to give a quick backhand slap to the scrotum.
actual locals get really pissed off with assholes constantly making Wurzels comments. 😖
Aye, it's like the usual original thinkers who think they're ****ing hilarious blurting out 'PURPLE' and 'MURDER' in a Mike Myers accent.
I’ve been told that I’m not a ‘proper’ East Ender
This is what in other channels is known as "gatekeeping" and it can **** off.
Eg, I've seen a youth dressed as Batman be berated by a grown-ass adult for "not being a true fan" because he didn't know which edition of Detective Comics the character first appeared. Is your ego that fragile that you have to be 'better' by ragging on kids who like the same things you do? Comic Book Guys from The Simpsons walk amongst us, like real people.
WTF is a 'proper' East Ender? Are you from the East End? There we go then, any further questions.
I went to primary school in Egerton (Walmsley), just over the other side of the hill from Darwen. A trip to the little chef (now the Ocean Palace) on bull hill was a rare treat as a youngster and then Anaz or Akash as I learned to drive. Happy days!
I tried to get my missus to do the throaty Northumbrian R, but she sounded like she was trying to cough something up. There's only 12 miles between where we were brought up (Blyth - South Shields), but the accent difference is huge to local people
That map omits breadcake which seems to be the preferred term in sheff. But I’m still a bap man.
Also Leeds, even though just up the road in Halifax it's Teacake.
I'm from Leicester, but moved to Halifax when I was 16, then back to Leics for about 18 months, then Leeds since 2000. I don't think I have an accent, but when I'm drunk I get more Lesta!
The thing is, 'Southerners' don't really exist. I guess it's an easier catch-all than coming up with something more accurate for the South-East.
I tried to get my missus to do the throaty Northumbrian R,
Well, I've never heard it called that before. Good luck, Mr Gorsky.
The thing is, ‘Southerners’ don’t really exist.
They do in so far as "Southerners" and "Northerners" are stereotypes. I'd like to think, playful rather than spiteful.
One time I was visiting a friend in London whilst there was a hosepipe ban in effect. My mate quipped, "you'll like it down here, you can use our indoor toilet." I replied, "great, I'll bring you a bucket of water down so you can flush it."
The thing is, ‘Southerners’ don’t really exist. I guess it’s an easier catch-all than coming up with something more accurate for the South-East.
This is true. The stereotypical 'Southerner' I might occasionally deride for their beer and lemonade proclivities, does not include in my mind, anyone from the South West. Your Devon & Cornwall dwellers, zummerset yokels and Bristolians are mostly OK, honorary Northerners even 😉